Please give Paladin access to Pugilist skill tree instead of Conjurer.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

With WHM and SCH already having in-combat raises (as I mentioned, in a modern MMO in-combat rez border ridiculously close to OP without the proper limitations), we don't need another class having it. Much less dumping it on the tank, who will be too busy avoiding stuff while dealing with the boss while keeping them positioned. Same reason why having the tank off-heal doesn't work.

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Yeah not saying that was the answer just throwing some bad ideas out there. I just know they most likely won't make pld cures very good for the reason I mentioned.

I would like Cure to be an instant cast for Paladins. Being in melee combat means you're very likely to get interrupted during any channeled cast, so why would a melee character ever use one?

The main problem I see with this, however, is having any trait for a PLD that buffs an ability from a different class is that not everyone will have this ability on their bar. Such a trait would require PLDs to take Cure as one of their cross-class abilities to work at max effectiveness, and limiting customization is never a good thing.

Still, when I think of Paladins in a thematic context, I see them as the front-line defenders brawling with sword and shield, only casting spells when in dire need to save someone from the brink of death. In the desperate moments you can't take 2.5 seconds to charge up the spell, you need it NOW. So small, instant Cures make sense, IMO.

Trading CNJ for PUG abilities is not the answer. Doing so would step on the toes of Warriors, reduce diversity between the tanking classes, and sacrifice the thematic integrity of the Paladin.

Also, I haven't read this entire thread so forgive me if I rehashing old ground here; has anyone figured the effect Shield Oath has on Cure threat generation? Our Cures are small, but with the multiplier I wonder how we stack up in enmity.

the problem i see with that is paladin is already a pretty beastly tank even without any cooldown skills from subclasses
It is kind of sad that conjurer basically gives paladin absolutely nothing but really once the majority of people actually get to around the 40+ mark and see how incredible a paladin's tanking is i doubt anyone will miss it outside of being irked at the very little customizing
the real problem with paladin is just gladiator being very lackluster compared to marauder

sure warrior has a ton of hp and does decent damage but paladins just plain don't take damage and generate plenty of aoe threat. Not really the tanks job to be killing stuff anyways

Why not put stat allo points in MND then...?

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Originally Posted by Nihility

paladins just plain don't tank damage

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I think you mean "take"?

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Originally Posted by Mattia

Why not put stat allo points in MND then...?

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I intend to because, correct me if I'm wrong, last I heard Rage of Halure gains dmg from MND.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

As a compromise to the 5 job specific abilities limit they can combine Sword/Shield oath into one ability as a rotating stance such as Sword > Shield > Off.

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That would make things very "clunky", for lack of a better word..

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Originally Posted by ZenBear

last I heard Rage of Halure gains dmg from MND.

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Not likely unless your thinking about the stat bonus modifiers from 1.0 which don't exist in ARR. I think SE made it perfectly clear they don't intend on GLD/PLD using Mind anymore because they even took what we had off our AF.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

That would make things very "clunky", for lack of a better word..

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Not really, unless you like to rotate between them mid-combat. I know some might try too to increase DPS and defensive capabilities this way, similiar to how people swap between attack and -PDT/MDT gear in FFXI, but being it uses the GCD they would still take a fair hit to both if they're rotating regularly.

Do you even know what a paladin is?

Some people seem to want a WoW paladin with full heals and stuff, making him undefeatable and non-dependant. Of course I'm not refering to the OP with this. I didn't see the end game PLD, but... did someone have a problem while tanking with the current PLD? Why wouldn't you want to rely on your party healer?!

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Originally Posted by Xikeroth

Seriously for RDM I think they will have to create an entirely new class specific for hybrid jobs... None of the current jobs even fit as far as a real RDM goes.

Cure is already better for Gladiator/Paladin than it is for the majority of DoW classes.

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RDM should start as a Fencer class. Fencer could have Rapier and Bilbos for weapons (like how Gladiator has Spathas, Daggers, shortswords...etc).

More on topic: I think it would have been nice if they did for PLD cure what they did for Scholar; one of their healing abilities heals for a bit, then also applies a damage absorption buff.

I think Paladin taking from Conj is important but it does not need to be the cure spell, the cure spell can be something paladins take when soloing and that is ok, I think what is more important is that there is enough variety for the paladin among other skills from Conj and MRD.

Leave Paladin with Con.

Give Paladin back the BIG HEAL(save your azz) with longer cool down. It's a trait of Paladins.

I like the idea posted about adding mind or another mod on pal weapons to help mod the heals. Really like this idea!!

Another option is to open so that jobs can use more cross classes skills. Just don't let them fully use skills till the other class(s) leveled above set level. Same level as current job, or even 50. Spent the time leveling a class show commitment.