Live Letter Alpha rubber-banding and lag

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Originally Posted by Royze

From your statements I cant tell that you are not a grass person. Even though grass has provided millions with joy for at least the past 300 years.

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Millions of sheeps maybe.

Well, back to the origin of this post.... I am glad this topic came up since the game is under the worlds microscope. Watching the performance of the game structure I had wondered how they allocated resources to tweak those results. I feel that more content development may saturate a zone and it will derogate those resource results. Again, we are left playing a guessing game since we do not hold enough information about the foundations of the vast game structure. I do like that this thread flushes out many misconceptions people will choose to believe. Unfortunately, right now the only game we can play with SE concerning FFXIV-ARR is the "waiting game".

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Originally Posted by Rex

It's alpha. This is exactly what they're testing. They have (triple digit number) of players, plus mobs / NPCs, and they're testing the limits of the zone capacity. I'm assuming all of the things you've mentioned are side effects. They said they're fixing the issue for the next week and then continuing the testing for 5 days after that, and then opening it up for global alpha.

Don't criticize like the game is the finished product. They're just under half a year from release.

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Are we really going to shoot at earnest critics of the development process, when that attitude ended up giving us the debacle that was FFXIV V. 1.0??

If you want to live in a bubble, just don't log in these forums, and let these threads serve their ONLY justifiable purpose. I'm sure people are mentioning that in the Alpha forums, but just in case, just in the very slim possibility of a case they are not, let's NOT shut up here.

Begone!

R

Yeah... I'm still going to point out things that I see an issue with. If you don't like it, I guess block me.

The big issue in THIS thread is not making critique to the Alpha/Beta product.
It's making a not really pertinent critique. About a problem that is literally the entire reason the Alpha testing occurs, happening. About a problem that had in fact already been explained at the very same time it was shown.

People complaining about the animations in the alpha test videos we saw? I might strongly disagree with those people's opinions and approach but they are correct in criticizing in this stage.
This man complaining about the rubberbanding in the live alpha footage? Not the correct usage of your capacity to criticize.

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Originally Posted by Rutelor

Are we really going to shoot at earnest critics of the development process, when that attitude ended up giving us the debacle that was FFXIV V. 1.0??

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When the criticism doesn't make sense, and is fruit of some ludicrous expectation born or having never played a MMORPG other than this one and FFXI (IE: "the game shouldn't lag when there are scores of players in the same place!"), yeah. As a matter of fact, we are and we should.

"Earnest critics" (or armchair developers) should talk about what they know, and when their feedback is supported by something more than a streamed video of an alpha they don't have access to.

Good feedback is effective when it's not suffocated by a ton of radio noise (which mind you, also happened in the beta of FFXIV, with some good feedback completely overwhelmed by a ton of trivialities). And threads like this are radio noise.

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Originally Posted by Rutelor

Are we really going to shoot at earnest critics of the development process, when that attitude ended up giving us the debacle that was FFXIV V. 1.0??

If you want to live in a bubble, just don't log in these forums, and let these threads serve their ONLY justifiable purpose. I'm sure people are mentioning that in the Alpha forums, but just in case, just in the very slim possibility of a case they are not, let's NOT shut up here.

Begone!

R

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Are you really calling the OP an earnest or legitimate critic? For complaining about an issue that was being explained to them in the actual video they were "criticizing"? A video of a test the OP is not a part of?

Lets see, I ended this thread on page 3. Lets move on and talk about the more important things like doors and grass.

Seriously, here is what this thread has begun to look like... (incoming satire...)

Person 1: "I see lag and rubber-banding late in the video. This isn't looking good."

Person 2: "I know. It's like 1.0 all over again"

Person 3: "They're aware of the lag and, anyway, the game is already running 1000x better even at this point than it was in late Beta the first time around."

Person 1: "It seems to be running a lot better. But that doesn't mean anything. He might not realize there's lag. It's our duty to tell him"

Person 2: "Yep. We need to make sure Yoshi and the team know about it, so they can fix it. Otherwise..."

Person 1: "1.0 all over again."

Person 2: "Yep"

Person 3: "Guys. Yoshi knows about it. He's acknowledged it. They're addressing it and will be basing their future testing schedule on how well it performs in the next week. He's said so. And anyway, this is still early Alpha. There are going to be issues"

Person 2: "Oh, I've heard that one before"

Person 1: "And look where it got us."

Person 2: "Exactly. That's exactly the attitude that gave us 1.0. Remember 1.0?"

Person 4: "Hey guys... We really need to give our feedback and let them know there's lag in the game. We don't want another 1.0".

Person 3: "omg... Yoshi knows. He's already mentioned it. They know about it. They're addressing it. Look, here's where he says it -link-"

Person 4: "Still. We thought Tanaka knew what he was doing, and look what we ended up with"

Person 1: "1.0 all over again."

Person 2: "Yep."

Person 4: "Terrible"

Person 2: "How do we even know Yoshi's listening to us? Tanaka didn't"

Person 1: "Yep. And we got 1.0 because of it. Someone has to make sure Yoshi knows there's lag in the game or this game is doomed."

Person 1: "Doomed. Just like Tanaka's FFXIV"

Person 3: "Hello? Echo? Is anybody out there? -tap-tap- Is this thing on?"

Person 4: "Hey, Person 3, we don't need you trying to stifle our very important feedback we're trying to provide! Yoshi-P needs to know there's lag in his game, or it's screwed! People like you want this game to fail!"

Person 2: "1.0 all over again."

Person 1: "Terrible..."

Person 5: "Hey, has anyone told Yoshi that there's lag in their Alpha client? Someone should really tell him..."

Person 1: "See? Someone else notices it. Yoshi needs to know about it"

Person 3: "He DOES know! I *linked* where he says it!"

Person 2: It'll be 1.0 all over again"

Person 4: "A train wreck"

Person 5: "They need our feedback, or they'll never realize there's lag. We can't just assume they know. Just because we know it's there, doesn't mean Yoshi knows it's there."

Person 3: (beaten) They.... know... already.... for the love of all that's....

Person 6: -cutting in- "I really hope someone tells Yoshi that there's lag in their Alpha client... This is critical"

Person 1: "Yep. 1.0 all over again"

Person 3: -shoots self in head-

Person 2: "Terrible."

That's a caricaturization of what it's like reading this thread.... but not by much lol.

I'm off to make a new thread guys. It's going to be about lag in the alpha client. I hope yoshi-p and friends notice it because it's important.

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

I'm off to make a new thread guys. It's going to be about lag in the alpha client. I hope yoshi-p and friends notice it because it's important.

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Opening two threads about the same (rather misguided) thing is in very poor taste.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Opening two threads about the same (rather misguided) thing is in very poor taste.

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You've got to be kidding me.

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

You've got to be kidding me.

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Not one bit. I think it's called "spam" in the civilized world.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Seriously, here is what this thread has begun to look like... (incoming satire...)

Person 1: "I see lag and rubber-banding late in the video. This isn't looking good."

Person 2: "I know. It's like 1.0 all over again"

Person 3: "They're aware of the lag and, anyway, the game is already running 1000x better even at this point than it was in late Beta the first time around."

Person 1: "It seems to be running a lot better. But that doesn't mean anything. He might not realize there's lag. It's our duty to tell him"

Person 2: "Yep. We need to make sure Yoshi and the team know about it, so they can fix it. Otherwise..."

Person 1: "1.0 all over again."

Person 2: "Yep"

Person 3: "Guys. Yoshi knows about it. He's acknowledged it. They're addressing it and will be basing their future testing schedule on how well it performs in the next week. He's said so. And anyway, this is still early Alpha. There are going to be issues"

Person 2: "Oh, I've heard that one before"

Person 1: "And look where it got us."

Person 2: "Exactly. That's exactly the attitude that gave us 1.0. Remember 1.0?"

Person 4: "Hey guys... We really need to give our feedback and let them know there's lag in the game. We don't want another 1.0".

Person 3: "omg... Yoshi knows. He's already mentioned it. They know about it. They're addressing it. Look, here's where he says it -link-"

Person 4: "Still. We thought Tanaka knew what he was doing, and look what we ended up with"

Person 1: "1.0 all over again."

Person 2: "Yep."

Person 4: "Terrible"

Person 2: "How do we even know Yoshi's listening to us? Tanaka didn't"

Person 1: "Yep. And we got 1.0 because of it. Someone has to make sure Yoshi knows there's lag in the game or this game is doomed."

Person 1: "Doomed. Just like Tanaka's FFXIV"

Person 3: "Hello? Echo? Is anybody out there? -tap-tap- Is this thing on?"

Person 4: "Hey, Person 3, we don't need you trying to stifle our very important feedback we're trying to provide! Yoshi-P needs to know there's lag in his game, or it's screwed! People like you want this game to fail!"

Person 2: "1.0 all over again."

Person 1: "Terrible..."

Person 5: "Hey, has anyone told Yoshi that there's lag in their Alpha client? Someone should really tell him..."

Person 1: "See? Someone else notices it. Yoshi needs to know about it"

Person 3: "He DOES know! I *linked* where he says it!"

Person 2: It'll be 1.0 all over again"

Person 4: "A train wreck"

Person 5: "They need our feedback, or they'll never realize there's lag. We can't just assume they know. Just because we know it's there, doesn't mean Yoshi knows it's there."

Person 3: (beaten) They.... know... already.... for the love of all that's....

Person 6: -cutting in- "I really hope someone tells Yoshi that there's lag in their Alpha client... This is critical"

Person 1: "Yep. 1.0 all over again"

Person 3: -shoots self in head-

Person 2: "Terrible."

That's a caricaturization of what it's like reading this thread.... but not by much lol.

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Exactly what's happening.

IIIIII am person 3.

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

You've got to be kidding me.

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I did notice that everyone, EVERYONE got their panties in a bunch so hard here that nobody is aware of what is really going on any longer and their sarcasm and humor has died.
Sadly I have to admit I probably am in that midst.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Not one bit. I think it's called "spam" in the civilized world.

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

Lets see, I ended this thread on page 3. Lets move on and talk about the more important things like doors and grass.

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Posted on page 9. I haven't posted anything since page 3.

That one reply was just sarcasm because of the huge post someone made basically snickering at me when in reality I ended this on the 3rd page and it was case closed.

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

Posted on page 9. I haven't posted anything since page 3.

That one reply was just sarcasm because of the huge post someone made basically snickering at me when in reality I ended this on the 3rd page and it was case closed.

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Might want to carry around a "sarcasm" sign, 'cause it was rather cryptic.

Hmm couldn't be more obvious to me. ;p

Get back in my sammich lala. Tasty snacks shouldn't make threads.

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People in this forum don't give a F@#$ if early ALPHA build is already doing x1000 than anything 1.0 could do w/o even trying they WANT to bitch and complain and they demand MORE while suffering the delusion that this can be compared to 1.0 testing experience which is laughable. Keep at it ppl keep giving the reps motives to /facedesk

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Originally Posted by Warlock

People in this forum don't give a F@#$ if early ALPHA build is already doing x1000 than anything 1.0 could do w/o even trying they WANT to bitch and complain and they demand MORE while suffering the delusion that this can be compared to 1.0 testing experience which is laughable. Keep at it ppl keep giving the reps motives to /facedesk

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I am quite sympathetic of the community reps that have to deal with this forum day to day... Mind you, there's worse. the SWTOR and EVE Online forums are even worse, but those are rather nasty extremes.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

People in this forum don't give a F@#$ if early ALPHA build is already doing x1000 than anything 1.0 could do w/o even trying they WANT to bitch and complain and they demand MORE while suffering the delusion that this can be compared to 1.0 testing experience which is laughable. Keep at it ppl keep giving the reps motives to /facedesk

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Just to say, x1000 times better doesn't mean it'll be a success. The alpha animations alone are enough for me to seriously consider playing this game or not. There's something they haven't commented on, and it's somewhat worrying but i'd find it hard to believe those animations, or lack of animations, are final.

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

Just to say, x1000 times better doesn't mean it'll be a success. The alpha animations alone are enough for me to seriously consider playing this game or not. There's something they haven't commented on, and it's somewhat worrying but i'd find it hard to believe those animations, or lack of animations, are final.

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Just to say, you might just be addicted to having the last word... 1000 times better doesn't equal success for any game. It might mean the client will actually work as intended.

The animations are what nearly every western MMO looks like. I'll get used to it. I hope you won't.

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Originally Posted by Skeezix

The animations are what nearly every western MMO looks like. I'll get used to it. I hope you won't.

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man even FTP MMO's at least have a turning animation, but we all know there too busy making Jello Cups bounce to work on anything else at the moment.

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

Just to say, x1000 times better doesn't mean it'll be a success. The alpha animations alone are enough for me to seriously consider playing this game or not. There's something they haven't commented on, and it's somewhat worrying but i'd find it hard to believe those animations, or lack of animations, are final.

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Now you're just reaching, quite a lot... and apparently not "finished" with the thread, or the topic, after all :)

That it's performing so much better at this point than it was back in 1.0's late Beta means that the game is far better optimized, better coded, with a better graphics engine, and with better network and server structure overall - all things that have been attributed to why 1.0 was so horrible in that category.

Of course that doesn't mean it'll be a success - to you or anyone else. There are many factors that contribute to that. XIV 1.0 crashed and burned, despite having much more elaborate and detailed animations. It's no one thing that decides a game's success or failure. It's a collection of smaller things that add up.

Animations, on the other hand, are a personal thing. You have a problem with them. Fine. Others don't. Arguing that you "find it hard to believe those animations, or lack of them, are final" is an argument from incredulity. Because you personally can't believe something, doesn't mean it necessarily is or isn't so.

More importantly, they're completely irrelevant to this thread, which you started and chose the subject for.

You seem to be trying to move the goal-post now in your response there. You started this thread to talk about lag/rubberbanding. It's right in the subject line. People have by now (I would hope) sufficiently shown you that
1) It's a small portion of an otherwise beautifully running alpha test
2) Even with everything as "perfect" on their end as it can be, there are still factors outside of SE's control that contribute to network lag and such. This is a fact of life in any kind of online activity.
3) Yoshi and co. are aware of it. Have acknowledged, are working on fixing/improving it, and have been quite up-front in letting us know.

Yet now, you're talking about "animations or lack of them" being an issue. That's not the issue you started this thread about and you're basically now throwing out a red herring by trying to make it about something else. You're derailing your own thread and essentially arguing for the sake of arguing at this point... instead of "ending it" and walking away as you claim to have done earlier.

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Originally Posted by Rex

Exactly what's happening.

IIIIII am person 3.

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lol I think there's several of us in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

man even FTP MMO's at least have a turning animation, but we all know there too busy making Jello Cups bounce to work on anything else at the moment.

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No, "we" really don't know that. "You" are making an assumption.

What I personally do know, is that having things bouncing... hair, jewelry, etc... can be enabled via physics simulation, which the hardware takes care of; similar to the physics simulation already in XIV 1.0.

We also don't know if it'll be in effect at all times. It would be silly to see someone's chest bouncing around when they're wearing full plate armor.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

man even FTP MMO's at least have a turning animation, but we all know there too busy making Jello Cups bounce to work on anything else at the moment.

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I know. It sucks that the entire team is devoted to this one thing!

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

No, "we" really don't know that. "You" are making an assumption.

What I personally do know, is that having things bouncing... hair, jewelry, etc... can be enabled via physics simulation, which the hardware takes care of; similar to the physics simulation already in XIV 1.0.

We also don't know if it'll be in effect at all times. It would be silly to see someone's chest bouncing around when they're wearing full plate armor.

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You seriously need to lighten up, or these forums will give you a stroke.

you know this time its different, we got a better connection with the devs and the producer. so later in beta if something really needs to be fixed, we can cry about it and they will listen.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

You seriously need to lighten up, or these forums will give you a stroke.

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I'm lit up like a firefly and feeling fine, sir.

Appreciate the concern though!

if its still happening in beta then we can jump on it.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

To our loyal fans,

I wanted to take the time to personally thank all of you once again for your support over the past two years. It has been a long, hard journey, and there is still much more road left to travel, but we could have never made it this far without each and every one of you providing the strength for us to carry on.

Since the release of the End of an Era trailer, we have been flooded with positive feedback from around the world. It was always our goal to create something that would equal the epic cinematics players have come to expect from the FINAL FANTASY series─not just graphically, but in terms of story and emotion, as well─and we are excited to see that so many were moved by the plight of Louisoix and the Eorzean Alliance.

This five-minute tribute to the heroes of Eorzea may mark the end of one era, but at the same time, it represents the dawn of another. To ensure that era is a truly breathtaking experience, we are paying close attention to even the smallest of details. As such, we must ask that you bear with us while we continue the creation process─though I believe most of you will find that it will have definitely been worth the wait.

I am looking forward to seeing all of you again soon.

FINAL FANTASY XIV Producer & Director, Naoki Yoshida

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I think this should end this thread.