TP regen

Wait.. not TP from auto-attacks???

No like;;

There was a good deal of strategy in TP from auto-attacks, or taking damage and now.. I guess we'll see.

that tp system seems to be more like rogue energy systeme in wow , your energy resplenish over the time so the CD are made with the TP regen ( spam too much have a good burst but then you do little damages ) where as 1.0 was more like the warrior rage system , both are good , i don't see why it sacrifice strategy but i understand that you are worried , i think we currently have no enough information to ask for changes of this system .
But the 3 sec CD feels to be a bad idea , it would slow the game too much .

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Originally Posted by Zumi

All this info I got from watching the Special Talk Session. I realize all this could change by the time the game is actually out.

-Yoshi's DRG has several weapon skills that take TP
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-While in combat with enemies your TP regens at a rate of 30 tp ever 3 seconds.
-Out of combat your TP regens at a rate of 100 tp every 3 seconds
-There is a 3 second global cooldown for weapon skills.
-Combos now require TP for the 2nd WS and onward.


Single target boss fight
Using high TP cost WS, then low cost once my initial TP is gone.
Time | TP
0:00 | 1000 -200 = 800 TP
0:03 | 800 + 30 - 200 = 630 TP
0:06 | 630 + 30 -200 = 460 TP
0:09 | 460 + 30 - 200 = 290 TP
0:12 | 290 + 30 - 200 = 120 TP
0:15 | 120 + 30 - 150 = 0 TP
0:18 | +30 = 30 TP - No WS used
0:21 | 30 + 30 = 60 TP - No WS used
0:24 | 60 + 30 = 90 TP - No WS used
0:27 | 90 + 30 = 120 - 120 = 0 TP - 120 WS used

Once you hit the bottom of your TP bar which happens 15 sec into the fight there is a 12 sec wait before you can do anything again. Causing a 9-12 sec wait to do another WS depending on how low your tp went.

Try using exclusively low cost 100 TP WS
0:00 | 1000 - 100 = 900 TP
0:03 | 900 + 30 - 100 = 830 TP
0:06 | 830 + 30 - 100 = 760 TP
0:09 | 760 + 30 - 100 = 690 TP
0:12 | 690 + 30 - 100 = 620 TP
0:15 | 620 + 30 - 100 = 550 TP
0:18 | 550 + 30 - 100 = 480 TP
0:21 | 480 + 30 - 100 = 410 TP
0:24 | 410 + 30 - 100 = 340 TP
0:27 | 340 + 30 - 100 = 270 TP
0:30 | 270 + 30 - 100 = 200 TP
0:33 | 200 + 30 - 100 = 130 TP
0:36 | 130 + 30 - 100 = 60 TP
0:39 | 60 + 30 = 90 TP - No WS used
0:41 | 90 + 30 - 100 = 20 TP
0:44 | 20 + 30 = 50 TP - No WS used
0:47 | 50 + 30 = 90 TP - No WS used
0:50 | 90 + 30 - 100 = 20 TP

After 39 seconds you start to get TP starved and have 9 sec wait between WS. In a real fight you probably wouldn't be exclusively using your 2 weakest WS.

Now for short fights like quest mobs this is fine cause they don't last long at all and you get out of combat and get that 100 TP regen. Makes it look like the system seems great. However we didn't see any long boss fights. This only seems to be an issue with mobs that last longer then 30 sec. Although there might be abilities to regen tp perhaps? Guess we will see in beta how this plays out.

After you run out of tp once it seems to stuffer from the same problem they had with stamina where people would be sitting around waiting for it to fill up then hitting their button. Hope they do something about this.

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Alongside the TP system changes, we will be adjusting the stats on some equipment and materia.

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I feel like the TP materia "Evenflow Materia I/II/III/IV" is going to get changed into:

Evenflow Materia I: TP regen+1 / ACC+4~7
Evenflow Materia II: TP regen+2 / ACC+8
Evenflow Materia III: TP regen+3 / ACC+9~12
Evenflow Materia IV: TP regen+4 / ACC+13~15

So it increases the +30 TP regen a tic shown in the above quote/pre-alpha demo when engaged to +31~34, ie a double melded Evenflow Materia III adding +6 TP per tic is a 20% increase in TP regen rate when engaged. Would make the materia incredibly valuable and probably become the BIS. I wonder whats better in ARR the above scenario TP regen vs a 70~80attack glove or 50 STR etc. Can't wait for ARR!!!

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Originally Posted by lololink

that tp system seems to be more like rogue energy systeme in wow , your energy resplenish over the time so the CD are made with the TP regen ( spam too much have a good burst but then you do little damages ) where as 1.0 was more like the warrior rage system , both are good , i don't see why it sacrifice strategy but i understand that you are worried , i think we currently have no enough information to ask for changes of this system .
But the 3 sec CD feels to be a bad idea , it would slow the game too much .

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Basically this. If you can make make a good rotation, you will always be using some form of an ability with minimal cool down. I think people are freaking out over something they don't understand. Too much FFXI in their mind.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening!
Alongside the TP system changes, we will be adjusting the stats on some equipment and materia. It's a bit early to get into specifics but once we have finalized these decisions, we'll be sure to let you know!

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I'm going to assume this might refer to the 'Store TP' that you can find on materia/gear.
I did want to ask what 'Store TP' will do in ARR. I can't see it staying the same as it is now so much anyway.

EDIT: Just saw the post above of Tango saying pretty much the same thing with the idea of TP regen. Derp, my bad.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Don't call it quick too early.
Don't forget that combos don't save your TP anymore. ~2 combos rotation (or 3) and your TP is gone if you spam them too fast. And it would need ~1,5 minutes to get back to the full 1000 TP during the battle.

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I dunno, looks like to me that we will have either the same or less downtime during a fight than what we currently have, the OP leaves out the fact that the current version also has downtime. The only thing I think that is really gonna take a hit is the usefulness of throwing weapons for building TP super fast, but then again I dont really thing that is a widely known strategy. I hardly ever see people outside folks that really know what they are doing using throwing items.

What a lot of people don't seem to understand apparently is that it works quite similarly to what we have now, just everyone generates at the exact same rate.

TP generation now is based off of delay. After a set amount of time has passed and delays match up, provided no one missed and ignoring abilities, their TP will be the same no matter what class they play. Changing it to a static regen amount just means everyone is regenerating TP at the same rate regardless and you are no longer penalized for missing. I imagine things like Store TP and invigorate will affect the regen rate.

How this new battle system will most likely feel like on a gamepad:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5...eff9o1_400.gif

I really don't like where this is going now that we know a little about the battle system and the new controls and animations...

collect all +TP materia!

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Originally Posted by neorei

collect all +TP materia!

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My thoughts exactly, where is my corselet at x.x

I think I'm more discouraged by the flat 3 second global cd on skills, if anything thi will turn into mindless, same skille , spam. Take FFXI for an example where the same WS was used all the time. At least know we make use of all of our skills , move positoning to execute them and combos, acc, tactics can define your overall DPS other than gear. I feel this system will throw that balane out and just gear will be the main factor in your damage as skill choice will become mindless.

the new system sounds great to me.

no more 5x blm cos its the best class to aoe burn mobs down, melee will be able to do their aoe ws's.

i hated having to use a weaponskill that wasnt relevent to the situation like using single target ws's when im surrounded by 20 mobs just because im waiting on a cooldown.

the long cooldowns were killing the battle system. happy to see them go.

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

I think I'm more discouraged by the flat 3 second global cd on skills, if anything thi will turn into mindless, same skille , spam. Take FFXI for an example where the same WS was used all the time. At least know we make use of all of our skills , move positoning to execute them and combos, acc, tactics can define your overall DPS other than gear. I feel this system will throw that balane out and just gear will be the main factor in your damage as skill choice will become mindless.

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we still dont know what the benefits of a combo will be so there very well could be some compelling reasons to use a combo and not just spam the same skill over and over.

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

I think I'm more discouraged by the flat 3 second global cd on skills, if anything thi will turn into mindless, same skille , spam. Take FFXI for an example where the same WS was used all the time. At least know we make use of all of our skills , move positoning to execute them and combos, acc, tactics can define your overall DPS other than gear. I feel this system will throw that balane out and just gear will be the main factor in your damage as skill choice will become mindless.

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They're not removing combos so unless the single skill spam somehow outweighs the benefit of the combo, I doubt it'll just be "use the same skill over and over again". I imagine since they're re-working all the skills and combos that they've taken these things into consideration while doing so. I mean if we can see it so clearly and easily then they've obviously considered it already.

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

I think it is a bad idea fir them to reward going into passive during battle. Hitting for tp makes sense. Plus more our damage will be 100% weapon sill. What is point of auto-attack?

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I think it should go back to stamina + no auto attack model. . . Return of TP-less attack skills :)

The old system had auto attack , they just weren't auto just like in SW tor , but it was still here to fill the gap between two special abilities .

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Originally Posted by lololink

The old system had auto attack , they just weren't auto just like in SW tor , but it was still here to fill the gap between two special abilities .

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They didn't cost TP, but Stamina. You had still wait a bit of time if your stamina bar was empty.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

They're not removing combos so unless the single skill spam somehow outweighs the benefit of the combo, I doubt it'll just be "use the same skill over and over again". I imagine since they're re-working all the skills and combos that they've taken these things into consideration while doing so. I mean if we can see it so clearly and easily then they've obviously considered it already.

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I hope so^^; And my typing is horrible on my phone. I don't think Yoshi will make it like that but just the fact that it is there scares me of the possibility. I'll still play but I wanna see where he is going with the new TP/ Combo system.

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

People complaining about 3 seconds when some WS takes 10 minutes or someshyte to be able to be used again...

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This is actually a really good point. As a LNC I can pretty much spam early on in the fight if I have 3000 TP, but once those cooldown timers are going it seems like forever before I can use Chaos Thrust or Doom Spike. Keen Flurry isn't exactly spamable either.

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Originally Posted by Draucant

As Ricky said, the 3 GCD is started once you select a WS. For most WS's the animation exceeds the 3sec GCD. So you wont really be waiting to do another WS after performing one before. As for spamming WS's, in the current version if you build up 3000TP then do all you combos its basically the same as 2.0, except now we dont have to wait for 3000TP and can start our DDing right out of the gate. The only difference now is that there are no long cool downs for certain WS's.

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Now the issue will be that the dd's will burn there tp from the start and wipe the group because they go in and burn up all there tp before the hate is set on tank. Even now you will always find 1 person in the group that dosent watch their hate and it gets pulled causeing a wipe or close to wipe. So this presents a whole new issue for those players who cant control, pay attention to what they are doing, or just dont care, and will cause more issues with-in the group.

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Originally Posted by Rogue

the new system sounds great to me.

no more 5x blm cos its the best class to aoe burn mobs down, melee will be able to do their aoe ws's.

i hated having to use a weaponskill that wasnt relevent to the situation like using single target ws's when im surrounded by 20 mobs just because im waiting on a cooldown.

the long cooldowns were killing the battle system. happy to see them go.

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Sorry man even in 2.0 you will find blm burns. The fact is in the final endgame content blms will be the work horse for it all as it was in FFXI. Blm will be needs for crowd control (it the devs ever fix the current crowd control) along w those mobs that are resistance to melee damage. Over all the current game lacks a decent crowd control due to it being a zerg fest, and the only time if any strategy is used is in dungeons that are instanced.

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Originally Posted by Rogue

the new system sounds great to me.

no more 5x blm cos its the best class to aoe burn mobs down, melee will be able to do their aoe ws's.

i hated having to use a weaponskill that wasnt relevent to the situation like using single target ws's when im surrounded by 20 mobs just because im waiting on a cooldown.

the long cooldowns were killing the battle system. happy to see them go.

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Keep in mind mages mp pool grows and their spells cost less (and will probably still cost less) then most tp moves.

So mages will still have the best maintained burn *unless tp materia is crazy now lol.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Keep in mind mages mp pool grows and their spells cost less (and will probably still cost less) then most tp moves.

So mages will still have the best maintained burn *unless tp materia is crazy now lol.

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Either way, this is still a major boost to physical DD. They still also have auto attacks for when they run out of TP, A mage would have to stop everything.