Deus Darnus, Thaliak, Louisoux and Dalamud [Speculation Thread with Spoilers]

HEY HEY GUESS WHAT

NALD'THAL HAS TWO ASPECTS.

Part of the Living on a Prayer quest was mentioned by Yda, saying to visit thirteen places.

Good detective work.

I for one would love the opportunity to kill Louisox in the future. The reason? His soliloquies that he repeats every-time you kill a primal, having to talk to him 3x to get a totem, the asshole fetch quests he sends you on. I could go on but I hate him. If he turns out to be one of the big bads I'll take great pleasure in wiping him off the face of Eorzea. DIAF Louisox, DIAF.

I think we need to revisit some ideas here now...

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I think we need to revisit some ideas here now...

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Ah, you beat me to the sig already.

If we assume Bahamut is a Primal or was at least feeding off his prison of Dalamud, what happened when we defeated Ifrit, Garuda and Nael van Darnus? Dalamud absorbed their power. What if the Primals act as a means of keeping Bahamut weak within Dalamud. Splinters of his power that keep him contained, and we freed just enough to give him the strength to resist?

He didn't break out of the seal because the Twelve were weaker.
He broke out of the seal because we made him stronger...

I just came across this thread. I've only read the OP. And after reading through it, you definitely hit the nail square on the head with this one. It's really spot on with the "something being contained within Dalamud.

However, knowing what we know now, (I only read the OP so sorry if I'm repeating anything that's already said), It's clear that Darnus worshipped Bahamut.

Your theory about Louisoux...Idk. clearly he saved us. (You didn't know when you posted this)

And, yeah, it's Bahamut, not any of the 12.

PS It's funny to read your conspiracy theory about Louisoux, and then see your dedicated signature for him. XD

BEFORE coming to this thread, I was going to post, "Hey, what if Darnus became Bahamut?" But I think his essense was absorbed into Bahamut.

Also, don't forget the original opening trailer of the game! That vision of all the primals raining down from a bright light!

And during the storyline, you see visions of hellfire raining down from the heavens too.

It almost seems as their intention from the beginning was to bring Dalamud down unto Eorzea. It all just fits too perfectly..the new storyline and the original.

But, they could have built the current storyline to look like it seemlessly fit in with the original.

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Originally Posted by Rex

PS It's funny to read your conspiracy theory about Louisoux, and then see your dedicated signature for him. XD

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The man is a true hero. The speculation thread was just some 7th Umbral prediction fun. Louisocks may be my new favorite FF NPC.

An interesting note, i didnt see it stated here. Louisioux has trapped Dalamud/Bahamut before. look close at the pillar that came down. that was one of the same pillars of the 12 that louis used to try to trap him again. the cocoon even looked exactly the same. Louis was turning bahamut into another Dalamud.

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Originally Posted by Potchi

An interesting note, i didnt see it stated here. Louisioux has trapped Dalamud/Bahamut before. look close at the pillar that came down. that was one of the same pillars of the 12 that louis used to try to trap him again. the cocoon even looked exactly the same. Louis was turning bahamut into another Dalamud.

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Yea, I saw this.

So that makes us ask, what happened the first time Bahamut was summoned? Was Louis actually there? Were there different avatars for the Twelve at that time?

Obviously Bahamut was sealed just like this to form Dalamud. Then the Allag Empire hurled his ass into space.

I don't buy the idea that Louie is a traitor, You're conveniently forgetting some key points in the cs:

First, he tried to seal Bahamut again, if he wanted to free him, why would he attempt this?

Second, He sent us all five years into the future, (at the cost of his own life no less) if he had malevolent intentions, wouldn't it make more sense to let us die in the apocalypse? After all, he already knew we were capable of slaying primals, who were figuratively gods themselves. Why risk that we would upset his plans by sparing us?

Third, praying had benificial effects in the final event, showing the twelve were present. Louisoix sent us on a pilgrimage to seek thier aid. In effect, he showed us how to aquire the power we needed to oppose the empire. Again, Why help us if he was going to stab our backs in the end?

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

I don't buy the idea that Louie is a traitor, You're conveniently forgetting some key points in the cs:

First, he tried to seal Bahamut again, if he wanted to free him, why would he attempt this?

Second, He sent us all five years into the future, (at the cost of his own life no less) if he had malevolent intentions, wouldn't it make more sense to let us die in the apocalypse? After all, he already knew we were capable of slaying primals, who were figuratively gods themselves. Why risk that we would upset his plans by sparing us?

Third, praying had benificial effects in the final event, showing the twelve were present. Louisoix sent us on a pilgrimage to seek thier aid. In effect, he showed us how to aquire the power we needed to oppose the empire. Again, Why help us if he was going to stab our backs in the end?

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Please check the date of the OP and try again.

I keep seeing the starshowers mentioned, but I don't think those had anything to do with Dalamud at all.

Ifrit says that there can only be one true God and he expects it to be him (Garuda says the same). I'm thinking that based on aether distribution, different beings can become the most powerful of the time - Midgardsormr's death ended his monopoly and opened the realm to the return of the others.

However, in the Limsa storyline, the starshower ends up being the entry point for an ascian-aligned character that steals the key (a horn).

I think it's part of a different storyline, possibly linked to OUR primal (whom I currently believe to be Siren) and whatever this games interpretation of Raknarok will be.

The more and more the story progresses, the more I think our Primal is Alexander.

I know that there was this storyline in place before The 7th Umbral storyline, but if Yoshida's development team is gonna play off the 1.0 7th Umbral for ARR's storyline (which they obviously are), I think Alexander is the perfect anti-thesis to Bahamut, and is the Primal that us humanoids "have."

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Originally Posted by Alerith

The more and more the story progresses, the more I think our Primal is Alexander.

I know that there was this storyline in place before The 7th Umbral storyline, but if Yoshida's development team is gonna play off the 1.0 7th Umbral for ARR's storyline (which they obviously are), I think Alexander is the perfect anti-thesis to Bahamut, and is the Primal that us humanoids "have."

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That could be, as well. From a previous experience stance, Alexander makes the most sense. Again, in-game clues make me think Siren, but historically, I think you're onto something.