Crafting in General - OMG Fix It

>.> I just wanna say... I claim credit for the Materia system as it's been suggested.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ll=1#post37593

I called it Aetheryte Shards back then to make it sound more 14 like, but look at the similarities. I've only been suggesting this since Beta 3 though. :P

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Originally Posted by SpringLeaf

Someone start a petition to keep the name "Materia System"!!! That would be legit!

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Actually, For the sake of FFXIV, Aethecite system would be better.

Time to level my DOL'S

Yes ! Name "Materia system" is fine. ;) and very welcomed changes.

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Originally Posted by Lusavari

>.> I just wanna say... I claim credit for the Materia system as it's been suggested.P

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Come on, no chance. Materia system belongs to FF VII.

First off, keep the materia name. I love it and from what I am seeing alot of others love it. It adds more of a Final Fantasy feel to it. Secondly thank you for implementing it so that DoLs will be gathering the Materia catalyst. A lot needs to be done to help bump DoL classes up and I think this is a good start.

As far as removing money from the economy there are tons of money sink potential out there, you just need to start implemented them

Actual MATERIA would be nice not just naming boring crafting elements after it. MATERIA would be so much cooler to harness than XI's equipment boost system that is way too complicated.

This is all great I love it and yes name it "materia system"...and please add an Auction House because no matter what you do to the wards they will always be second to an AH - right now all this is telling me is that you guys are pushing for the Market Wards so you can start charging for retainers eventually.

the materia system thing is a great add !! thumbs up !!

Materia System, HECK YES!!!! I think that is a beautiful idea!!! I also think that, if they leave the name materia, you will have a crap load of people return to the game JUST because of that. Beautiful beautiful beautiful. <3<3 <3 Im excited for this. When can we expect to see this implemented?

Materia. AhMahGhad!! It's a freakin' miracle!

... Wait. Does this mean that Soldier may be an available class/job in the future?

Whats this? People.... ARE HAPPY?! :)

Materia... Next you will learn in the storyline that the Garlian Empire is backed by ShinRa Co.

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Originally Posted by Gildrein

Among the devs, we are tentatively calling this the Materia System, though that name may change. This new system will allow Disciples of the Hand to fuse materia to weapons and armor using special catalyst items gathered by Disciples of the Land.

Disciples of War and Magic can customize and personalize their gear
Disciples of the Hand can answer the materia-fusing needs of others
Disciplies of the Land can gather catalyst items to meet the realm’s demands


I’ll be posting more details on the Materia System at a later date.

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This sounds, imo, absolutely awesome. My biggest fear about the new battle system is that we are going to loose a lot of customization. I would like to suggest, however, that you give crafters a way to remove "materia" as well. No one wants to have the koolest piece of armor ever, customize it, and then find a better customization.

Another exciting prospect ... will the advent (see what I did there?) of Materia in XIV introduce Summons?

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Originally Posted by WintersMoondancer

I would hope to see the ability of adding status effects to gear and weapons using a materia system.

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This is in theory done with Alchemy. Unfortunately, it only applies to Gladiator weapons atm.

\happydance

Pro: Materia System
Con: Easy crafting, insta-crafting, and easier ranking in general.

I never was into crafting, even in Final Fantasy XI I ignored it. Until now! "Materia System" yes please! It feels more Final Fantasy with that name.

This all sounds great but in the current system stats are worthless, so I hope the dev team deals first with the effect of stats on given character/job before there is an implementation of this system.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

This all sounds great but in the current system stats are worthless, so I hope the dev team deals first with the effect of stats on given character/job before there is an implementation of this system.

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They did address that, I believe. If memory serves, these changes are being implemented in conjunction with adjustments to the battle system, so that everything is adjusted and balanced at once.

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Originally Posted by Hotohori

Materia... Next you will learn in the storyline that the Garlian Empire is backed by ShinRa Co.

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That would be so funny and awesome.

I agree, please keep the name "Materia"...very awesome.

Dear SE,

I am very glad to hear the words "Materia System". I think that, if done right, this can add a whole new dimension to the game. Very glad as well that everyone here seems to be enjoying the idea also.

I hope you guys can do a materia system for FFXIV as awesome as the one found in FFVII (albeit I am sure it will be fundamentally different than that one, given the fact that FFVII character abilities were all defined by materia, whereas in FFXIV we have classes/jobs).

I strongly suggest that you guys look into the possibility of "leveling materia" (as we did on FFVII). I have no love for grinding, don't get me wrong (although it is very fun sometimes), but the idea of having materia that has different levels and different effects for each level (even if it is just extra bonuses) is compelling and engaging. It would give everyone a renewed sense of purpose, seeking new and rare materia, leveling them, watching them reach MASTER status and then having them multiply (if I remember well, once a materia reached MASTER level in FFVII it "reproduced" and gave off a new level 1 materia of the same type). Maybe MASTER materia would give access to some nice new skills and enhancements, something to truly look forward to.

Being able to customize weapons and armor with materia that fits the situation adds a nice strategic dimension to game, one that is much needed as things are. Please make materia somehow swappable after it is added to the weapon/armor, that way we can build more strategies around the system. Also, having to buy the same weapon and other materia again just because I decided the materia combination I put there isn't what I want would be awful (same would happen when you upgrade weapon: you would lose all the materia that is "glued" to the previous weapon). Swapping and customizing materia on equipment (even if that requires a crafter) is a must for the system to be enjoyable.

With the leveling of materia we would also have to think about finding room in weapon/armor slots for the materia we want to work upon, even if it is not ideal in the combat situation. Maybe some will say "I don't want to spend endless nights grinding AP for 20.000 different materia", but I remember clearly the sense of accomplishment I had in FFVII when I my first materia reached MASTER level (of course it was a Cure materia hehe). I would very much like to feel that excitement again, to look forward to it. Hopefully others will feel the same way.

In closing, thank you for the wonderful news about the Materia System. I hope you guys can perfect the system soon and bring it to Eorzea!

Yours sincerely,
Valen

I read this email and went, OMG, YES!!!!!

honestly the issues being addressed will make the game much more interesting and user friendly.

I also like the idea of having different levels of "Materia" as well as the highest level add some sort of unique ability or trait, allowing even more distinction between characters.

It is all good and all, but I hope all that also includes *Fixing success rates and making crafting stats matter more*. Bold and rapid synth still have crappy success rates compared to standard, for no apparent reason either. So we get this materia to create, but blow it up at random.

I Kinda liked what Valen said but not exactly like leveling the materia.
Why no make stuff like if you add this stone/materia to the crafting process you get certain aditional stat
But make it something like at start you can only add base materia/stone then you can add a more advanced materia afterwards /this can add different status/ then another until you reach a Master/Elite/S Rank whatever you want to call it

So we can have different gear witch varying levels of quality/status/abilities(ie double attack)
This way people can think twice about using gems also since you dont want to spend all the nice stuff on basic gear you will toss after a few days once you need new gear.

Or you can make long lasting personalized gear to match each player play style

Yes... YES!! This all sounds great. Please call it the Materia System... calling it anything else will only perpetuate a non-Final Fantasy feel (and we all know how that feels like).

To top it off, I totally asked for something like this just a few weeks ago in a post about adding slots to the gear itself for (and I used this term) MATERIA and capes (it was a pro-capes thread):

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

Great ideas guys! How about if certain gear came with slots where capes and "materia-like" boosts could be equipped. This would add an extra layer of customization to gear stats whilst maintaining that specific flavor to each class/job's uniqueness. This would be available for mid-high levels and would be something more for higher ranked players to show-off a bit. I also love the idea about propping hoods up or down in the same way we hide headgear, giving 2 looks with one accessory.

I'm drooling at the image of my cape flowing while riding on my chocobo into the sunset in full plate armor (choco in plate too!)

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ut-capes/page3

I must have ESPN or something.

I really like the materia name, who doesn't? But lets be honest here, if you're gonna throw around a name like that, you had best be prepared to back it up or risk cheapening your image. I don't mean this in a negative way, i love these ideas, but I don't want to see what many of us see as the staple system in the FF brand cheapened to be used as parlor tricks for a system that isn't implemented well. Don't just boost 1 or 2 points of dex or add plus 1 to evasion, give us something inspiring. When you call a system materia, it conjures up images of me infusing my breastplates with skills like permenant protect and shockspikes. Making my boots randomly have the chance to activate featherfoot at no stamina cost to me each time I am attacked would be the business. Lets see some skill and magic infusion! How about making it so I can pick out materia that would allow me to make my own theme armor. Maybe I want to make hands, feet, and chest pieces all boost me with evasion and speed style defenses. Or a mage set that protects me from physical attacks. The skys the limit, and I have complete faith in your teams abilities Yoshi, just be remember whats in a name sometimes drives up expectation.

materia system... very very nice name...
i also hope to see something such as socketing materia in ff7...
just that it sounds like it will goes well with the new crafting system name...

Well said Biggs! NO on just stat boosts. YES on skill boosts/upgrades/etc. Perhaps even a super boost when a complete set of gear meets specific Materia combinations to pump out a major skill bonus like Biggs mentioned in his list of superb ideas, i.e. If certain materia split up into family types that, if equipped in certain combinations, could produce very interesting effects on certain skills and stats for various classes/roles.

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

Yes... YES!! This all sounds great. Please call it the Materia System... calling it anything else will only perpetuate a non-Final Fantasy feel (and we all know how that feels like).

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Yes, because "Final Fantasy" has always been about re-using the same features and names from game to another. Making a FF7 reference to make it more appealing is a pretty cheap trick under the belt really.

Not that I particularly mind "materia" system (although aetherite/aethecite/aethe-something would work much better for the game's lore) but this "Final Fantasy feel" crap is going way overboard.

The developers need to be careful to not lose the FFXIV feel as they move forward. Pulling random names and systems from previous FF's does not necessarily mean it fits this game. Just like calling a gambler of Ul'dah suddenly "Monk" or the Colosseum gladiator a "Paladin" simply does not compute.

I am glad I'm arguing about the name of the system and not the system itself, though. It sounds exactly what crafting needs, my fears have been lifted on that front.

I am completely in favor of naming it the after the great materia system of FFVII, however I feel that doing so is a huge commitment to making it perfect... for example... does SE really want to dub something small like socketing gems into equipment materia?

I'd say if they even THINK to bring up materia they should go all out at make it have to do with learning skills or even enhancing abilities in the way that runes will in Diablo III (those who havent seen it, please do... you will be impressed).

I'd just hate for the awesome concept of materia that we have a lasting impression of from FFVII come into FFXIV and be a petty socketing system.... make materia useful for abilities or skills.



I do have to agree with a post a long-ways back saying maybe the basic materia could be for enhancing stats (str, int, dex etc. and also def, atk, etc.) and then having those basic components combine into other materia which enhances different effects (he mentioned "killer" skills), or even enhancing skills... I'd love to see the system have a lot of content such as maybe some materia lowering the stamina cost of Cure for example, or increasing the duration of debuffs, or as I said with the D3 reference, having them add extra effects on skills.




Bottom line/tl;dr: If materia is gonna get involved, it's gotta have a huge impact such as you equip different materia to learn skills with AP or the likes, or else it has to have an extremely content rich socketing role with various effects on skills and stats, also then enriched via the various combinations they are used in, generating combination effects!

/rant ... I hope a dev can comment on this! :D



PS: It's 4:07AM but I had to get that all out... bear with me, I know it's all over the place lol.


- Hellsoul-Sama

MATERIA!!!!!!! PLEASE keep the name. Also can it be de-crafted back out of the armor? That would be something Not many games do.

Biggs and Hellsoul,

Nice posts, totally agree with you guys there. I have faith the development team will make something truly amazing with the Materia System. They do need to live up to the great legacy that the name of the system entails. There is a huge chance here to implement something truly unique and engaging (not simply putting "gems" in equipment, as others said is common in MMOs - I never played anything but FFXI and FFXIV, so I wouldn't know myself).

The time and effort SE is dedicating to listen and understand community opinions and desires also has me more confident that future changes (including the Materia System) will bring to life features that shall satisfy us. Let's keep hoping they live to our expectations this time.

That said, I just remembered about the linked materia slots, where you could build some nice combos, combining two materia for different effects (like Elemental + Ice, Added Effect + Poison, etc). Maybe we could have some Blue Materia (the linking type) in FFXIV also! Btw, the independent (purple) materia (such as HP Plus, MP Plus, Long Range, Counter Attack and others) would fit perfecly in FFXIV, with little or no adaptation needed.

Yours sincerely,
Valen

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

I agree. Keep the materia system name. :p

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I agree too :p

Next up, NPC Cloud Strife...!

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

I agree too :p

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I agree too :D

Classic names from older Final fantasy games are a treat. I would extend that to weapons/items/characters and so forth as well :D

Is the city of Ishgard going to be change to the city of Midgard?

XD I was going to ask if a dev rep was allowed to agree or disagree with the changes and then saw the name.
Materia it is!

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

I agree too :p

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Woot! A direct post from Yoshi-P! Simple yet effective imo. Now I know he actually visits the NA forums.
lol

Keep it named the Materia System. It helps give that FF feel while increasing individuality and customizations.