Content creator irresponsibility in covering #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Same argument I used when some healers started to complain about duties being completed without them

Not everyone can play tank at the level it takes to do what Xeno and his friends did
Healers are needed for the a standard situation. Healers could use at least a 3 hit combo spell. That is pretty much it.
This 'strike" is really stupid, for the simple fact that the people joining it want some really stupid or crazy things done to "solve" the problem.

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By the same token the content creators are "stupid" for covering it. See how that works?

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Originally Posted by Sani2341

But it already managed to change the game.

It got media attention, both from game journalist websites and content creators. It managed that in a week, where Years of more or less polite feedback since 2018 did not achieve Anything.

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Which will turn into...exactly nothing. Maybe a few PR statements while knowledgeable people know it will all be dust in the wind a couple months from now.

Bad healers removing themselves from queues will make the launch dungeons go much smoother tbh

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Did I miss the memo? Has anyone claimed that random streamers/CC are responsible for anything? It is your/our fault for trusting the words of strangers.

Plus its just a game.

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It's fairly common that players express an opinion and the answer they get "my favourite streamer XYZ said the opposite, you don't know what you're talking about".

Edit: Case in point:

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Originally Posted by Hakane_Mitsu

https://i.imgur.com/VXnCq5R.png
Even Mr Happy of all people said in his latest Q&A, no one cares for this movement, quicker you guys realise this, quicker we can all go back to having fun :)

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Originally Posted by Sacae

Funnily enough, Xeno had a fairly nuanced view of the strike with several good points, while Mr. Happy was just an asshole.

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I would once again like to point out that Mr. Happy himself is not a very good healer. I don't follow him much but I went and watched some clips of him healing since he was the biggest jerk about this whole thing. Dude spams GCD heals and overheals like crazy for no good reason.

Gotta love having a community where wanting a role's gameplay to not suck is a crime against humanity.

The strike is not about intentionally inconveniencing people, but when simply telling the devs what's wrong with the role isn't enough to get them do anything about it after over five years a change of tact seemed like it was needed.

The good and welcoming community is rearing its head up again.

Hot damn.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

The good and welcoming community is rearing its head up again.

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Your witty and urbane commentary has been noted. Good job.

I agree with the original post so much with regards to content creators and journalist standards, or lack thereof. It's why I actually don't agree with SE allowing them to unveil any information at all tbh.

you are never going to get big fully time streamers to EVER acknowledge the flaws the game has and you know why? because they are on the payroll ofc so they sold their morality or individuality away long long ago don't hold your breath. the only reason they cover this topic is because 1.we are in a content drought til the launch of DT
2. because its a new big buzzword being floated around so ofc they want to capitalize on it and 3.it threatens their precious SE money if healers really did commit to quitting full stop(which lets be honest they won't gamers are spineless cowards when it comes to champion real change in the industry they lost their voice ages ago when micro transactions entered the picture they'll never unite for anything an for those who don't even pay attention at all they'll just play other games.)

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

you are never going to get big fully time streamers to EVER acknowledge the flaws the game has and you know why? because they are on the payroll ofc so they sold their morality or individuality away long long ago don't hold your breath.

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Large content creators... will never acknowledge the flaws of XIV? Have you even watched any of them? Or are you just setting them up as a bogeyman you made up to be mad at?

FF14 content creators complain about the issues the game has all the time.

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Originally Posted by Willemdarke

It's the whole "us vs them" thing, isn't it?
In this case "them" is everyone who doesn't believe the sky is on fire, mid earthquake, while the WiFi is down and someone's eaten the last ice-cream. Content creators just happen to fall under that.

The whole strike started with some valid ideas, I think, but it's descended into a clown show. Now dancers have hacked their bank accounts and Mr. Happy stole their baby. It's probably all Yoshi-P's 4D chess master plan, because he hates the colour green.

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I wasn't going to name names but enough is enough.

The people who started the "us vs them" thing are the content creators. Not people in the healer strike thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TifoCT5OD3s&t=1018s

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Did [Yoshi P] take it seriously? Did he read the forums? The black mage one, and then the healer strike problem. I am so happy that he didn't even give a f***. To him it's just like bro, shut the f*** up.

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https://youtu.be/TifoCT5OD3s?si=3ULnsbdw9s5svkX6&t=996

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The first thing I did, I went to this website called tomestone.gg, and then post his name, he has not done a single... he has not even done Asphodelos, he hasn't done a single Ultimate...

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h34m30s

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See what I mean? This is exactly what I mean. These guys are bots. These guys are not really players. This guy think they are playing this game, but they are not.

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h38m14s

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We are just saying right, the way you're playing the game, you are not really playing the game. You are just being put in the game... you are just a plus one. You are just being there because... you make up the game. You know what I mean? It's like it's like it's like it's like... the world. This NPC is there for a reason. You are like one of them. This is why we call you guys bots.

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To be clear, this isn't the only content creator doing this. I will link more examples if I have the time.

The content creators farm clout, views and ad revenue off of outrage. Why would we expect them to take any causes seriously, especially at a time when FFXIV is hot in the news? The Clickbait journalists, and out of touch content creators will just corrupt any message we're trying to send.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

The content creators farm clout, views and ad revenue off of outrage. Why would we expect them to take any causes seriously, especially at a time when FFXIV is hot in the news? The Clickbait journalists, and out of touch content creators will just corrupt any message we're trying to send.

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And it's working.
Just look at everyone who's been linking their videos here regardless if they approve of what they said or not, giving them more clicks.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

This isn't new or shocking. Content creators are not journalists, and therefore do not have a code of ethics that compel them to cover events with a journalistic standard.

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LOL, even journalists don't abide by any journalistic standards.

The 32% of Americans who say they trust the mass media “a great deal” or “a fair amount” to report the news in a full, fair and accurate way ties Gallup’s lowest historical reading, previously recorded in 2016.

Journalists are down there with politicians when it comes to slimy individuals.

As others have commented for most content creators it's all about click baiting people for views rather than accurately covering a topic.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

LOL, even journalists don't abide by any journalistic standards.

The 32% of Americans who say they trust the mass media “a great deal” or “a fair amount” to report the news in a full, fair and accurate way ties Gallup’s lowest historical reading, previously recorded in 2016.

Journalists are down there with politicians when it comes to slimy individuals.

As others have commented for most content creators it's all about click baiting people for views rather than accurately covering a topic.

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I know we all don't expect much from content creators nowadays, but the fact that some of them are harassing others on stream, looking up their logs, calling players "bot players", et cetera, is just sad.

This is why I ignore all e-celebs. They only care about themselves and how much money they can make. They have a massive ego thinking that what they say is the law of the game's community. I swear I can't even go on YouTube to check out a new emote in a patch to see what it looks like without the first result being fucking Meoni with a 15 minute video to showcase a 4 second animation. Get out of here with that.
Hope the strike goes well, you have my support even if I don't play healer, cause it's boring.

Only valid point Content Creators have said I agree on is the game has a Content Design problem which leads to a very stagnant easy game at all levels, imbalanced Classes, bad gearing system(play all jobs but can only gear one), horrible leveling system, low Role responsibilities.

When it comes to High Horse Creators basically saying that if you don't do Savage/Ultimate you don't matter or you are just a bot I find laughable since more then half of these people had been exposed to using Mods and 3rd Party tools to help clear the "real game" during Omega Protocol or would deny that they partied up with people that cheated.

Hard to take them seriously after that fiasco. When that happened we will all have to ask for any raid that comes out is if the Raiding Community cheated to win.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

I wasn't going to name names but enough is enough.
The first thing I did, I went to this website called tomestone.gg, and then post his name, he has not done a single... he has not even done Asphodelos, he hasn't done a single Ultimate...
Did [Yoshi P] take it seriously? Did he read the forums? The black mage one, and then the healer strike problem. I am so happy that he didn't even give a f***. To him it's just like bro, shut the f*** up.

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To be fair Arthars has always been a rude elitist asshole. So, i am not surprised in the slightest.

most 14 CC just love to kiss A*** from zepla with her Fake overly optimistic mindset to xeno the biggest manbaby around(truly hope he reads this) , dude pretends to know what hes talking about and when he gets confronted he comes with some sort of lame a** joke to come up on top and banhammer people, truly this community has a long way to go , there's a reason why 14 has the rep of being "toxic behind closed doors" because it is (look all the threads about Strikes)....and sorry to pop bubbles but this mentality is not gonna change ever

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

I wasn't going to name names but enough is enough.

The people who started the "us vs them" thing are the content creators. Not people in the healer strike thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TifoCT5OD3s&t=1018s

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h34m30s

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h38m14s

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To be clear, this isn't the only content creator doing this. I will link more examples if I have the time.

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The difference here is that this isn't "us vs them" in the same way. It's just the content creators not agreeing with your points, potentially in a bit of a mean way, and frankly bringing up what people have/haven't cleared *is* valid criticism, because if you want harder content, you should try harder content. I know plenty of healers who think dungeon content is at a good difficulty as it is now. If you don't think it is, then maybe you should try extreme, or savage, or ult. Nobody looks to normal dungeon content as a sign of what is or isn't balanced in the game.

Willem's post though was in turn a response to my post about Shadowyzero's post, which was literally based on fabrication. "Content creators are in the pocket of SE because they don't say anything bad about the game" is patently ridiculous. Heck, Zepla literally made an entire vid about how much she hated Endwalker (which people joked about being enough to keep her out of the media tour) and she still ended up in the media tour.

Frankly, some of the healer strike points are good, and I could see them benefitting healer players in the long run. But the moment it started being "us vs them" wasn't content creators vs you, it was when the healerstrikers decided they were important enough to hold the playerbase hostage. Luckily though, this isn't actually enough of a thing to actually manage anything of the sort.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

The difference here is that this isn't "us vs them" in the same way. It's just the content creators not agreeing with your points, potentially in a bit of a mean way, and frankly bringing up what people have/haven't cleared *is* valid criticism, because if you want harder content, you should try harder content. I know plenty of healers who think dungeon content is at a good difficulty as it is now. If you don't think it is, then maybe you should try extreme, or savage, or ult. Nobody looks to normal dungeon content as a sign of what is or isn't balanced in the game.

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Let's just put all the toxicity aside first. You can't make valid criticism when you haven't even read the posts.

Yes, I'm talking about both you and the content creators.

There is no "us vs them" here when it comes to criticism because "them", the content creators, are criticizing a non-existent entity.

I encourage you to re-read the OP before you embarrass yourself any further. Especially when you are one of the very people spreading and supporting this log-shaming harassment.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

You can't make valid criticism when you haven't even read the posts.

Yes, I'm talking about both you and the content creators.

There is no "us vs them" here when it comes to criticism because "them", the content creators, are criticizing a non-existent entity.

I encourage you to re-read the OP before you embarrass yourself any further.

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My point is that the original "us vs them" wasn't "them" as the content creators, it was "them" as the rest of the non-healer role players. As you assume I haven't read the posts in the main topic, I assume you haven't read the post you just quoted (and conveniently snipped the rest of).

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

I wasn't going to name names but enough is enough.

The people who started the "us vs them" thing are the content creators. Not people in the healer strike thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TifoCT5OD3s&t=1018s

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https://youtu.be/TifoCT5OD3s?si=3ULnsbdw9s5svkX6&t=996



https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h34m30s

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h38m14s

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To be clear, this isn't the only content creator doing this. I will link more examples if I have the time.

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OK, this is actually horrible. Disagreeing about the state of healers is fine. Insulting people like this, though? It's gross. And their fanbase eats if up, which is even worse.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

The difference here is that this isn't "us vs them" in the same way. It's just the content creators not agreeing with your points.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

My point is that the original "us vs them" wasn't "them" as the content creators.

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I do apologize. I wasn't aware that we're playing a game of spitting out nonsense and contradicting ourselves mere minutes later.

Sorry about that. Here's my move: Fhoriwc8efbksifieieifb8ejejfioooeij8iefjjsjejfnnfwokzkvjeiirjgwofkvnierk

I've seen it a bunch of times already where people would kinda agree that healers are boring af but they turn around specifically because the OP of the healerstrike thread has bad logs. Parse brain rot has thoroughly infested those CC communities, which is especially weird in xeno's community because in his previous drama arc he clowned all over a guy who tried to do exactly that: dismiss someone's post specifically because of bad logs.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

I do apologize. I wasn't aware that we're playing a game of spitting out nonsense and contradicting ourselves mere minutes later.

Sorry about that. Here's my move: Fhoriwc8efbksifieieifb8ejejfioooeij8iefjjsjejfnnfwokzkvjeiirjgwofkvnierk

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These are separate points. I'm sorry about your reading comprehension.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

These are separate points. I'm sorry about your reading comprehension.

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I'm not sure anyone can comprehend nonsense and self-contradictions.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I've seen it a bunch of times already where people would kinda agree that healers are boring af but they turn around specifically because the OP of the healerstrike thread has bad logs. Parse brain rot has thoroughly infested those CC communities, which is especially weird in xeno's community because in his previous drama arc he clowned all over a guy who tried to do exactly that: dismiss someone's post specifically because of bad logs.

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This is why I'm extremely happy that parsers are not an official part of the game. This way, it keeps them somewhat in check because a lot of people either don't care or they are too lazy to go through installing them. I just wish they weren't an opt-out system where all it takes is one person in the group using them and suddenly, your logs are out there for everyone to see. I don't care if I parse grey, long as I clear the content, but it's happened to me multiple times that people decided to look me up and be jerks about it.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TifoCT5OD3s&t=836s

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So just as one example of how much bafflingly-unintelligent hot-air these melodramatic responses are, just take this snippet from Sfia:

(Slightly-distorted in sections, because I'm not taking time out of my day to actually transcribe this manually, just pulling it from YouTube Auto-CC)

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sorry yeah someone else so I talked a bit about it in pre-show but the craziest thing to me is that this is where the Healer strike, like this is where they draw the line in the sand... the single leveling dungeon without aering top being expansion this expansion everything's Rel they did what is widely regarded as the hardest piece of content the game has ever had without healers but no we really care about this dungeon experience

okay you can say they engage with that more but like if you're going to complain complain about the thing that is the most polarizing and how difficult it is with and without mm there are like sentiments that I can kind of you're uper exist most think your can be done without you being there your like identity and your class fantasy can't be that strong

like imagine imagine you could do all fights without any DPS because tanks and healers just did enough damage you be like oh why am I playing a DPS right like my my Niche my wheelhouse isn't being rewarded or if all of the Busters in the game could just be taken by DPS he'd be like playing a tank feels like [ __ ] or all the threat could be managed by DPS You' say the same thing

if they were complaining about that then I'd feel like oh this makes sense but they just like no we can do dungeons without healers and they're not even talking about what that means they're just angry about the fact that you can do it it's it's so like shortsighted and so like undercooked it just it makes me really [ __ ] mad think about guys

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(*looks at actual content of Healer Strike Thread and the back-and-forth conversations and summaries there*)

(*sees all of these exact points addressed, directly, over and over again*)

(*sees scores of Healers clearly-stating that the Xenos Media Tour stunt was just another straw on the camel's back, and not the sole issue in and of itself, but rather a succinct manifestation of many overall problems*)

...Right, so let me get this straight.

Sfia's an educated and obviously-intelligent man, clearly capable of understanding this if he wanted to, or attempted to. But he obviously didn't.

So if I'm understanding this correctly:

1. Gemina's displeasure with her experience as Healer in what used to be "casual challenge" content is being derided as invalid, because she hasn't surveyed the entire game's spectrum of possible experiences.
2. 4 slouching dudes in gaming chairs's displeasure with the Healer protest should be accepted as valid, despite the fact that they haven't even bothered to survey the entire thread's spectrum of arguments and explanations, or even understand what's actually being said.

So, uhm, which is it?

Someone needs to fully-explore and engage with something before they can be accepted as validly criticising it?

Or it's actually okay to just skim the surface to save time, and then righteously go-off as if you fully-understand it?

As far as streamers go the only one I even watch or like to hear opinions from are Xeno. I lose respect for streamers who have to suck up and put on a fake ass smile just to get their precious treatment or media tour invites. Healer gameplay has been boring for years in all aspects of content. Doesn't need to be a full on rotation but a few more buttons isn't asking much that isn't tied to a 2min burst because that's not helping.

I feel like this shouldn't be a hard subject tbh.

Even if you're against the healer strike for whatever reason, it's still a commonly accepted practice for anyone reporting on a topic to do their due diligence in learning about it and speak on the facts, no?

If CC's are twisting the subject to suit their bias or not reading the thread out of laziness or assumptions, frankly they shouldn't be taken as an official source on the matter. If enough people are bothered by it, push back against the CC's and show them they're incorrect. If they don't care, maybe that's a sign to not give them your time/money and find a more...worthwhile CC to support who actually does their research properly.

I mean, content creators aren't exactly experts in video game design. People put far too much weight on what their opinions may be.

With the exception of a few, most FFXIV Content creators do this on purpose to generate Views/Clicks. I hoped that would be common knowledge by now.

The only Cure for this is to stop giving them Attention.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I've seen it a bunch of times already where people would kinda agree that healers are boring af but they turn around specifically because the OP of the healerstrike thread has bad logs. Parse brain rot has thoroughly infested those CC communities, which is especially weird in xeno's community because in his previous drama arc he clowned all over a guy who tried to do exactly that: dismiss someone's post specifically because of bad logs.

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Parsing will forever be a plague, I personally don't parse and my static doesn't log parses. Either way players who midcore opinions matter far more than someone who tries to win on a third party leaderboard.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

I mean, content creators aren't exactly experts in video game design. People put far too much weight on what their opinions may be.

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I entirely agree with this sentiment. This applies to content creators on YouTube, and content creators in these forums and elsewhere.

Getting so offended at the YouTube creator who cheesed the first Dawntrail dungeon is a bit funny, especially when you consider that the Dragoon and Ninja each died at some point in the boss fights.

Thankfully, the Black-and-White Mage (um, Red Mage) was able to resurrect them. And most probably cast a Vercure or two along the way, along with the Warrior's Every-25-Second-Ability, Nascent Flash.

My solution to the issue would be to either (1) eliminate Warriors as tanks in Normal Dungeons or (2) eliminate Nascent Flash in Normal Dungeons. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

I mean, content creators aren't exactly experts in video game design. People put far too much weight on what their opinions may be.

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I agree, the same is true of people on the forums.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I feel like this shouldn't be a hard subject tbh.

Even if you're against the healer strike for whatever reason, it's still a commonly accepted practice for anyone reporting on a topic to do their due diligence in learning about it and speak on the facts, no?

If CC's are twisting the subject to suit their bias or not reading the thread out of laziness or assumptions, frankly they shouldn't be taken as an official source on the matter. If enough people are bothered by it, push back against the CC's and show them they're incorrect. If they don't care, maybe that's a sign to not give them your time/money and find a more...worthwhile CC to support who actually does their research properly.

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You are literally acting like a CONTENT CREATOR...... creator...... CREATOR..... is a journalist. THEY ARE NOT. You are attempting to hold a person to a journalistic standard they have ZERO business being held to. They create content PURELY for entertainment and are going to swing whatever way the wind blows as a whole. I don't understand why so many people are trying to treat them like a CNN or CNBC news reporter that has some sort of responsibility to be unbiased and report facts. NO... their entire content exists for entertainment and they only espouse THEIR OWN OPINIONS. They can cover it anyway they want or ignore it all together.


Edit to add. YES I know that even modern journalists are highly biased and slanted in their reporting and coverage. So holding some person with a charismatic personality that got lucky enough to have people like them to follow them online playing a video game to some sort of journalist standard is absolutely ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Willemdarke

The "us vs them" thing started entirely by a small minority out of the larger healer strike movement.

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It's interesting how you are ignoring the log-shaming harassment encouraged by certain content creators.

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

So just as one example of how much bafflingly-unintelligent hot-air these melodramatic responses are, just take this snippet from Sfia:

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(*looks at actual content of Healer Strike Thread and the back-and-forth conversations and summaries there*)

(*sees all of these exact points addressed, directly, over and over again*)

(*sees scores of Healers clearly-stating that the Xenos Media Tour stunt was just another straw on the camel's back, and not the sole issue in and of itself, but rather a succinct manifestation of many overall problems*)

...Right, so let me get this straight.

Sfia's an educated and obviously-intelligent man, clearly capable of understanding this if he wanted to, or attempted to. But he obviously didn't.

So if I'm understanding this correctly:

1. Gemina's displeasure with her experience as Healer in what used to be "casual challenge" content is being derided as invalid, because she hasn't surveyed the entire game's spectrum of possible experiences.
2. 4 slouching dudes in gaming chairs's displeasure with the Healer protest should be accepted as valid, despite the fact that they haven't even bothered to survey the entire thread's spectrum of arguments and explanations, or even understand what's actually being said.

So, uhm, which is it?

Someone needs to fully-explore and engage with something before they can be accepted as validly criticising it?

Or it's actually okay to just skim the surface to save time, and then righteously go-off as if you fully-understand it?

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They are also manifestly contradicting themselves.

https://x.com/FFsfia/status/1746335653187707325

To a lot of these people, this is a pure ego trip. They don't care about the actual argument. They care about winning, or making the other "side" look dumb.

It's why they will look up people's tomestone.gg, mock players for not clearing Savage, shame them and hope that their feedback never reaches the developers' years, while literally complaining about the exact, same design problems raised by the strike thread mere MINUTES later.