7.0 Summoner abandoned job or not

Then in 8.0, it's Phoenix's turn to to undergo cyberization.

I've come around on this, maybe the summoner dev hates it just as much as I do. Perhaps there'll be more stuff later when its slide is shown, but so far it really looks like there isn't any meaningful change since ewSMN.

I expected very little, and yet I am still somehow disappointed.

I miss when SMN was a fun job.

I heard the SMN raise became on a 40s cd is that really true....

No it's just swiftcast

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Originally Posted by Valence

No it's just swiftcast

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So SMN can still raise? They're not planning on removing it? I was listening to it and I heard it, I can't play it back since it's live.

As a SMN main, I'm happy about the current system because of the button bloat pains. I'm hoping that they add the old summons to the rotation system though. I honestly thought Solar Bahamut in the Job Trailer was telling us more Egi Glamours were happening.

Bahamut > Ifrit/Titan/Garuda > Pheonix > Ramuh/Levi/Shiva > Solar Bahamut

I just want them to let me keep Resurrection!!! The dopamine rush from rezzing a fellow DPS or even Tanks and Healers who are dead.

Youtube lets you have playback. They talked about removing it, but they are keeping rez for DT and 7.x patches. They are already working on 8.0 and the chatter of whether to keep it or not is floating around for later expansions.

Well, I stand corrected. Maybe they didn't have a planned roadmap, and I guess they thought what I felt like half a job really was their entire vision.

Ashphen, you'll note that the trailer begins with Phoenix, so if Ramuh et al are showing up, it ain't happening after Phoenix.

I've really got to say that I'm extremely disappointed that we just get another Bahamut. I'd rather the new one just replace Bahamut and we can choose the glamour for it. I know we'll never get Shiva/Ramuh/Levi as Primals for something akin to an Astral/Umbral phase; but man is Summoner so boring to play. And unfortunately, I can't see that changing going into Dawntrail if we just get another Bahamut phase to deal with, but the same 3 primals to use in between our Demi phases.

I'm glad Picto looks cool, at least.

One thing I really don't get is why SUM doesn't have dot management again.
I think the lego system would become instantly more engaging if the dots were reintroduced, Its like how pictomancer looks like you have to balance your oGCD painting with your cast combo and build both resources for a big burst.

I'll have to preface that I really like Solar Bahamut, then again I like dragons, so I might be biased.

But hey, Rica's at it with the same take as pre every expansion when the whining arises!

People really needed to accept that FF XIV Summoner would never be the same as FF XI Summoner or summoners from other main titles with dozens of summons years ago. Job Design is tightly knit to Lore in this game, and those people actually reading Job Quests know that in the world of FF XIV, the amount of primal aether a summoner can bind is limited. Or, in our case, 3 Egis. They brought the Trance Phases to play around the limit a little bit, but as had been confirmed in Lore interviews later, we can summon Phoenix and Bahamut because their aether completely drenches Eorzea and influenced the WoL by slowly osmosing into them before we technically got our first Egi - hence why the limit was reached after 3 Egis.

So, let's take another look at the Lore - we need to subdue a Primal/absorb the aether to actually be able to summon it. Which means that every primal hidden away in optional content is off the table - Odin and Alex as some people want, for example. Also, by having Bahamut's aether already, I suppose changing it with the power of Dynamis is possible, especially since summons are influenced by the summoner and their beliefs.

Could they just retcon the Lore and rewrite the Job Quests? Possibly. But after another 2 years, it's time to face the reality that this is what they want Summoner to be in the context of FF XIV, and it had been hinted at quite often. We can't just expect stuff from the other games to hold true here, or else we would have DPS DRK and Tank SAM.


Also, calling that new thing a reskin... well, it's another Bahamut, but reskinned model? The skeleton, maybe, and FF XIV does that a lot.

I do really lament not getting Leviathan and Shiva, as they're among my favourites, but it is what it is. (And I miss Heavensward SMN and my DoTs, but that dream is dreamed.)