Patch 6.5 patch notes

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Stormblood expansion added to base game/free trial
Players with only ARR registered will have Stormblood added automatically
Free trial has access to Stormblood and level 70 level cap

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This is surreal... I was still on PS4 when SB launched, and I remember waiting in that PlayStation countdown preloads have... and now it's just free!

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

I’m sure it’ll probably just be some sort of extra conversation with Ryne, unless they’re going to have Ryne give a synopsis of the events of the raid to players who didn’t run it, which seems unlikely…

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You're thinking about it from the wrong direction. They're not going to explain the raid to people who haven't done it, precisely because they haven't done it. The events have not happened. Their lack of sidequest completion has left reality in a slightly non-canon state where the Scions departed the First having only helped with the very preliminary exploration of the Empty, and Ryne hasn't even met Gaia yet.

This is simply how the game handles non-completion of sidequests – compare the quest that touches on your progress in Coil when Alisaie joins the party at level 60. You can see there are points where both Alphinaud and Alisaie's dialogue is loaded up with multiple script options depending on where you got to with those quests: didn't even meet with Alisaie; did the first stage; got far enough for Alphinaud to be involved; completed the whole thing.

So there is likely to be variable dialogue in the same vein to account for multiple stages of Eden, but then also they seem to have worked out ways to have characters conditionally appear in cutscenes now, so it's possible that Gaia will be there if she exists to be there. Or at least Ryne will talk about her, and perhaps she can be found elsewhere in the Crystarium.

Regardless of exactly how they acknowledge it, there will have to be a resolution for the MSQ that doesn't totally rely on Eden being the answer. Perhaps it gets handled through Ryne's power as the Oracle somehow.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

It started as a nice easter egg worldbuilding thing, but now that it's an actual plot point in EW's MSQ it's really kind of a head scratcher for anyone who finished the caster/all role quests in ShB....at least they realized Ryne should be involved to an extend.

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My longstanding suspicion is that they're angling for further sidequest development on this front, and MSQ is just helping to get things in place for that. We could have a mega sidequest merger of role quests + Triad + Eden + post-MSQ thing for Zero.

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Originally Posted by StarRosie

Another thing that irks me with the current story is that, to my knowledge they have not ONCE made reference back to the Shadows of Mhach raids, despite those raids dealing a ton with not just voidsent, but HIGH LEVEL voidsent (Including a Voidsent QUEEN!) and a ship that doubles as a massive Voidsent prison. Gee...I wonder what we could do with a massive Voidsent prison...hmmm, hmmm...(Even if the Void Ark crashed, we could still salvage stuff from it to help with our current situation. But it's far too late to link back to it now...)

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So, what could we actually do with a massive voidsent prison that works by requiring us to perform dangerous and forbidden summoning rites to deliberately drag a powerful voidsent into the Source, give it a physical form to use and then attempt to imprison it?

Doubly so if you're thinking about using it on Zeromus, where the whole point is getting Azdaja out of it, not sealing the whole thing away.

One thing quite clear from the Void Ark storyline is that the ship was an unsuccessful prison. The voidsent got out and nearly wreaked havoc. We might be able to subdue it, but it would still be a matter of dropping a ticking time bomb in the Source.

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Originally Posted by Dagget

Glad to see they eliminated ilvl cheesing for Alliance raids, no more restricting one's self to Crystal Tower runs only. Your level is now matched to an ilvl range you have to be wearing when you queue up.

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Won't stop people from just... not unlocking any other alliance raids.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Won't stop people from just... not unlocking any other alliance raids.

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Stops the ones who already unlocked them on their main account and have been cheesing this whole time...

Now we pressure SE into making the roulette locked if you don't have a raid unlocked at a certain ilvl.. don't have Void ark and the others unlocked at 60 to bad.. you can't do Alliance roulette until you fix that. An so on an so on for each capstone level.. just like mentor or expert roulette

I have all 90s on my main (other than blue mage of course) while still in post-Stormblood, wonder if this will stop me from queueing alliance raid roulette until I've completed Endwalker?

The clusters were nice to be able to get from in need bonus when levelling roulettes' wasnt the same role...

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Stops the ones who already unlocked them on their main account and have been cheesing this whole time...

Now we pressure SE into making the roulette locked if you don't have a raid unlocked at a certain ilvl.. don't have Void ark and the others unlocked at 60 to bad.. you can't do Alliance roulette until you fix that. An so on an so on for each capstone level.. just like mentor or expert roulette

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They can just make better incentives for clearing the higher level ones, I only got Crystal Tower 2 times during this tome event. Lots of Euphrosyne and Ivalice though.

After the changes to alliance raid roulette I sure won't ever be using it ever again. Pretty sure it be harder for the new players that need Crystal Tower Raid for the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

After the changes to alliance raid roulette I sure won't ever be using it ever again. Pretty sure it be harder for the new players that need Crystal Tower Raid for the MSQ.

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Why wouldn't you?

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Originally Posted by hynaku

After the changes to alliance raid roulette I sure won't ever be using it ever again. Pretty sure it be harder for the new players that need Crystal Tower Raid for the MSQ.

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It won't be. The roulettes prioritize new players in a direct queue over people just running roulettes. CT will still be the most common raid. It just won't be the only one.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

They can just make better incentives for clearing the higher level ones, I only got Crystal Tower 2 times during this tome event. Lots of Euphrosyne and Ivalice though.

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They did add better rewards.. I personally don't think people deserve them after all the years of cheesing but im not SE so whatever..

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Why wouldn't you?

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because they cant do the mecanics past CT

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Won't stop people from just... not unlocking any other alliance raids.

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ivalice is required for bozja, hopefully they keep focring players to unlock side content

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

because they cant do the mecanics past CT

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It's just so weird to me. Weeping City is one of my all time favs. All of Ivalice. All of Nier (even if the story itself was... whatever). But people just wanna do CT on repeat....

The higher raids also give nice glamours and I'm still trying to get quite a few of them. For CT I got all of it ages ago.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

So, what could we actually do with a massive voidsent prison that works by requiring us to perform dangerous and forbidden summoning rites to deliberately drag a powerful voidsent into the Source, give it a physical form to use and then attempt to imprison it?

Doubly so if you're thinking about using it on Zeromus, where the whole point is getting Azdaja out of it, not sealing the whole thing away.

One thing quite clear from the Void Ark storyline is that the ship was an unsuccessful prison. The voidsent got out and nearly wreaked havoc. We might be able to subdue it, but it would still be a matter of dropping a ticking time bomb in the Source.

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You're thinking about the concept from the point of using the Void Ark in the exact same way as Mhach did. Why summon them to the source...when we have a massive void gate on the moon that takes us DIRECTLY to the problem? We also have several mages with varying levels of mastery over multiple forms of magic and higher understanding of some magics that Mhach hadn't even thought of. We also have magitek and the entirety of Sharlayan and Radz brightest minds on speed dial. As well as the Iron Works. Yes, the original incarnation of the Void Ark would likely fail. But a REVISED or REMODELED Void Ark, well...that's just theory at this point. But, the entire point of what I was saying in that part of my post is that it irks me that Shadows of Mhach was not referred to once during an arc dealing with Voidsent and the 13th. From the Void Ark to the Nullstone (Which to my knowledge, Cait Sith still has.) there were things that could've been referenced or nodded to through the story...but we just sorta...didn't. Which is ultimately a shame. But what's done is done.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

ivalice is required for bozja, hopefully they keep focring players to unlock side content

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That rarely works out well in practice. Players tired of being forced into content they don't enjoy quit the game, and then the game really would be dying.

What they need to do is stop gating content behind other non-MSQ content. If you have a story created for a piece of side content that you decide you want to expand on, expand the side content. Were you happy that anyone who wanted the relic weapons for Endwalker had to complete all the Hildibrand quests first? Was that really in the best interests of the game? I enjoy Hildibrand so I was already up to date but I think it was the wrong choice considering how many players don't enjoy it and were unhappy they needed to complete it.

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Originally Posted by StarRosie

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You're going way beyond what we were ever shown the Void Ark was capable of or designed to achieve. That's not neglecting to bring up an existing plot point, but inventing an entirely new and speculatory one.

And again, simply imprisoning Zeromus is no use, because then Azdaja is imprisoned along with it.

Also again, the Void Ark is an imperfect seal that has already failed once, or been broken into by other voidsent seeking to devour those inside. Who's going to spend the rest of eternity making sure the sealed evil in a can doesn't get unsealed again the moment you turn your back?

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Your main job can hit levels far above where you can reasonably attain gear for said jobs while progressing the MSQ

If you are doing the HW MSQ and you are playing a BLM who’s at level 82 where are you going to get ilvl 430 gear except off the market board for likely more money than you probably have

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Yes, this will probably stop players from being able to queue in the roulette if they don't have access to gear that's appropriate for their level. They will have to choose between 1) buying gear with gil, 2) focusing on MSQ instead, 3) doing dungeons for their tomestones or 4) queuing into 1-5 specific raids instead of using the roulette. This doesn't prevent anyone from playing with friends or from doing alliance raids.

A lot of nice QoL changes in this patch. Thank you!

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Item level sync has been set to IL 570 in the duty "The Final Day."

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Experience points received upon defeating [alliance raid] bosses has been increased.
* This adjustment does not apply to the Labyrinth of the Ancients, Syrcus Tower, or the World of Darkness.
Bonus experience points received from Duty Roulette: Alliance Raids has been increased.
* This adjustment does not apply to the Labyrinth of the Ancients, Syrcus Tower, or the World of Darkness.
The number and types of Allagan tomestones received have been adjusted.

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Item level restrictions based on class or job level at the time of duty registration will now be applied for Duty Roulette: Alliance Raids. :D

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A circle will now appear on the field indicating the point which the losing team must reach with the tactical crystal in order to take the lead.

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Items purchased from the Online Store can now be stored in the armoire. :)

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Teleport destination tabs can now be sorted by region or by expansion.
* You may adjust tab preferences in the Teleport Settings menu.

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In the event that server congestion is preventing travel to a particular World, requests to visit that World will now be canceled automatically.

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I'm glad we got an update about them working on the removal of columns and such inside of houses. I was worried that they'd go radio silent and we'd never hear about it again or not til post 7.0 only to be told sorry it's not doable.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

You're going way beyond what we were ever shown the Void Ark was capable of or designed to achieve. That's not neglecting to bring up an existing plot point, but inventing an entirely new and speculatory one.

And again, simply imprisoning Zeromus is no use, because then Azdaja is imprisoned along with it.

Also again, the Void Ark is an imperfect seal that has already failed once, or been broken into by other voidsent seeking to devour those inside. Who's going to spend the rest of eternity making sure the sealed evil in a can doesn't get unsealed again the moment you turn your back?

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No, that is bringing up an existing plot point. And then one can mention how the Ark failed those of Mhach, and then another can mention we can repurpose the Void Ark. You are not thinking through this with an open mind.

Azdaja is another reason why it is weird Shadows of Mhach hasn't been brought up, because we like could've used the Nullstone here. Remember, during his boss fight in Dun Scaith, Diabolos uses the Nullstone to fuse himself with Scathach to become Diabolos Hollow. If the Nullstone can fuse two high level voidsent together...could it not also separate them? (Like, literally this is something I can imagine Y'shtola or Urianger could bring up in regards to the Nullstone.) Shadows of Mhach could've been brought up, but wasn't, and that's the entire point here that irks me. There are ways it could've been brought up and incorporated but wasn't. To my knowledge, I just woke up and haven't touched the patch yet. So...maybe they do bring it all up at the last second.

Plus, including Shadows of Mhach would also mean more time with The Redbills. And I would pay TOP! FUCKIN'! DOLLAR! To see Leofard and Cait Sith interact with the scions! Leofard and Estinien in the same room, just has me chuckling at the thought. Y'shtola and Cait Sith in the same room would be such an interesting time.

Anyways, off to play the patch. WEEEEEEE!

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Originally Posted by StarRosie

we like could've used the Nullstone here. Remember, during his boss fight in Dun Scaith, Diabolos uses the Nullstone to fuse himself with Scathach to become Diabolos Hollow. If the Nullstone can fuse two high level voidsent together...could it not also separate them?

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We were told what the Nullstone does: "disperse the very essence of even the most potent entity, obliterating it completely". I assume that comes with an additional note that it only works on summoned voidsent and not all kinds of entities, or that is far too dangerous a plot device to have loose – too easy a problem-solver, too dangerous a threat.

I don't believe it had anything to do with Diabolos absorbing Scathach, certainly not based on what that very plotline had told us it was for, even before the 6.X storyline made it clear that voidsent fight among themselves and consume each other to gain more power if given a chance. At most, if he was wielding the Nullstone at the time (I would have to rewatch the scene to confirm), maybe he broke her earthly form so he could absorb her soul.

In any case, yet again, we do not want to go obliterating Zeromus completely.

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Originally Posted by DaichiSilurus

This argument doesn't make sense. They can't run expert or 90 roulettes because they don't have the CONTENT in that roulette. They COULD run 5/6/7/8 roulette, because they have some of the content in it unlocked, and would be put into a dungeon from the ones they have unlocked.

The new alliance roulette system looks like it will prevent them from doing a roulette containing content they have unlocked because... they levelled up too much? That's completely ridiculous, and expecting them to buy crafted gear good enough for content they don't have access to is also crazy. Unless it also checks your MSQ process then it's an imperfect solution that creates a very obvious problem for a lot of players.

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even if you had said content unlock that doesn't stop you from getting the augmented gear that is available after unlocking said alliance raids if you are over level from HW, StB, or ShB. besides its ilevel locked ot its respected raid for example in CT it will locked to either ilvl 70, 80, 90 but also its easy to point out the big change and forget that the rewards have been increased depending on the alliance raid. so harder upper-level alliance raids in theory should give you better returns on your on time invested.

Patch day takeaways:

1. Expert and Mentor Roulette were missing from DF until the new duties were unlocked. Don't recall that being the case in the past.
2. Only one Custom Delivery person (Zhloe) had a crafting bonus this week, even though it's supposed to be at least 2 people now. Could have something to do with the new girl, but of course she couldn't and didn't have the bonus.
3. Queue'd for Thaleia early this morning as a tank and it was a 30+ minute wait. Swapped to RDM and it took 30 seconds (inside were, wait for it, 7 RDMs and a single melee). There was no first time bonus either. If that's normal for current alliance raids then I somehow didn't notice before.
4. Final boss intro cutscene in the new dungeon is LONG. It rivals the Shiva trial.
5. Bits of lag and long loading screens here and there, probably to be expected.
6. Y'shtola cutscenes are still cringe.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Queue'd for Thaleia early this morning as a tank and it was a 30+ minute wait. Swapped to RDM and it took 30 seconds (inside were, wait for it, 7 RDMs and a single melee). There was no first time bonus either. If that's normal for current alliance raids then I somehow didn't notice before.

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Pretty common, in regards to the tank/RDM queue times. There's 3 tanks per alliance raid instance and 15 DPS.

If you play tank you're better off joining a pf than hard queuing for new alliance raids.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Queue'd for Thaleia early this morning as a tank and it was a 30+ minute wait. Swapped to RDM and it took 30 seconds (inside were, wait for it, 7 RDMs and a single melee). There was no first time bonus either. If that's normal for current alliance raids then I somehow didn't notice before.

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Too many people thinking "if I tank, I'll get in faster" and suddenly everyone is trying to be tank and the other roles get neglected.

One thing I would really like them to change with the queuing system is to show the entire status of the queue in the "forming party" HUD element. Right now, the numbers only count your current party and don't count over the maximum, so I assume currently if there were 10 tanks, 10 healers and 10 DPS queuing for an alliance raid, the first three tanks in the queue would see 3/3, 6/6, 10/15; the next three tanks would see 3/3, 4/6, 0/15 and the tenth tank might think they're the only person queuing for the whole raid.

I would like this to change so that everyone would see 10/3, 10/6, 10/15 and it is easier to identify where the gaps are and what role you should switch to to get in faster.

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Originally Posted by Jade_Tyrant

Pretty common, in regards to the tank/RDM queue times. There's 3 tanks per alliance raid instance and 15 DPS.

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Tank queue wasn't too surprising, if a bit longer than expected. Just the fact that it lumped so many RDMs without missing a beat gave the impression most DPS were queuing as that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Too many people thinking "if I tank, I'll get in faster" and suddenly everyone is trying to be tank and the other roles get neglected.

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That and those tanks most likely want gear since they're guaranteed to get it. I had the same idea in mind.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Too many people thinking "if I tank, I'll get in faster" and suddenly everyone is trying to be tank and the other roles get neglected.

One thing I would really like them to change with the queuing system is to show the entire status of the queue in the "forming party" HUD element. Right now, the numbers only count your current party and don't count over the maximum, so I assume currently if there were 10 tanks, 10 healers and 10 DPS queuing for an alliance raid, the first three tanks in the queue would see 3/3, 6/6, 10/15; the next three tanks would see 3/3, 4/6, 0/15 and the tenth tank might think they're the only person queuing for the whole raid.

I would like this to change so that everyone would see 10/3, 10/6, 10/15 and it is easier to identify where the gaps are and what role you should switch to to get in faster.

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I wish I could queue as multiple roles, just put me in as whatever fills fastest.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Tank queue wasn't too surprising, if a bit longer than expected. Just the fact that it lumped so many RDMs without missing a beat gave the impression most DPS were queuing as that.

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(well Red Mage best mage after all)

My guess would be that on day 1 of new content, people like having lots of rez spells available to keep the raid going, since day 1 of anything tends to have more deaths than usual.