Yup, Another Thread: I Hate Addons and SE Needs To Ban Players Who Use Them!

The point was never whether the tools exist or not (they do, though the capability of the publicly available ones is, as always, drastically overstated). The point was that the OP is jumping at shadows and thinks predicting a very simple random secondary target cone with an hour-long castbar is evidence of them, after spending two pages trying to conceal what they were even talking about in the first place.

Even the posters accurately calling out some examples of prescience via things having separate cast IDs lump them together with things that absolutely don't work like that. (The second boss of Copied Factory is neither random nor a mystery. If you know which group of the alliance you're in, as soon as the platform rotates you can know the entire ability timeline... or you can just read the chat text which always corresponds to a specific ability.)

I think I found an explanation for OP's behavior, he said:

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

I know the Nier fights myself incredibly well! Yet I don't move away from aoes until I get some form of visual or audio indication of this fact. The cheater moved 5+ seconds away from the player targeted to the other side of the boss before any cast bar, boss movement, or boss turning, or any indicator happened what so ever. No amount of "farming" allows you to have powers of clairvoyance to move that early before a aoe event happens.

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I think the OP pride himself so much on his skill and knowledge of the fight, that he can not fathom anyone can actually play better. So in order to protect his ego, the only acceptable conclusion is that anyone that seems to play better than him must be a cheater, 100%.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I think I found an explanation for OP's behavior, he said:



I think the OP pride himself so much on his skill and knowledge of the fight, that he can not fathom anyone can actually play better. So in order to protect his ego, the only acceptable conclusion is that anyone that seems to play better than him must be a cheater, 100%.

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Anyone worse than me is a stupid noob lick my boots, and anyone better than me is a cheating sweaty nolifer

Something I think is missing from this discussion is how the game data is handled and how those mods which show mechanics in advance actually work.

FF14 is a client-server game, while many fights are very scripted, there are some mechanics which cannot be predicted due to randomness.

The problem with this post is that it makes an impossible statement, it is straight up impossible for the game client (and any mods that someone is running) to have access to extra information that the game server has not yet sent.

This would be akin to someone rolling a dice, writing it on a letter and mailing it to you, and you predict the diceroll perfectly before it arrives. There is no actual way of knowing what the diceroll is on the letter without.... time travel?

In this analogy, the dice is being rolled by the server, and the letter is the data packets being sent to your game client.

Your game client, any mods or any system on your computer has zero way of knowing who the random mechanic will hit before it happens.

There are undeniably mods out there which people use and abuse which is unfortunate, but as far as I know, nobody has worked out time travel or breaking the laws of physics yet..

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I think I found an explanation for OP's behavior, he said:



I think the OP pride himself so much on his skill and knowledge of the fight, that he can not fathom anyone can actually play better. So in order to protect his ego, the only acceptable conclusion is that anyone that seems to play better than him must be a cheater, 100%.

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Chances are his Xbox handle has a series of XxXs and 42069Swag in it.

Anyone better than me is a try hard or a cheater and anyone worse is trash!

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Chances are his Xbox handle has a series of XxXs and 42069Swag in it.

Anyone better than me is a try hard or a cheater and anyone worse is trash!

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I've probably ran into him in pvp FPS games awhile back. They were probably one of the people screaming at me in a high pitched voice calling me a hacker because they fed me kills all match by stupidly trying to run thru the same area non stop...

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

I've probably ran into him in pvp FPS games awhile back. They were probably one of the people screaming at me in a high pitched voice calling me a hacker because they fed me kills all match by stupidly trying to run thru the same area non stop...

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Thank you for reminding me of this treasured moment of history.

https://youtu.be/Psgn0kMfafo?si=5tsEB0M76qxhPsja

I thought i saw it all, but this level of schizo posting is unreal

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Chances are his Xbox handle has a series of XxXs and 42069Swag in it.

Anyone better than me is a try hard or a cheater and anyone worse is trash!

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I told you to stop giving these hardscopers my tag.

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

I told you to stop giving these hardscopers my tag.

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Meh, amateurs. 360 no scope headshot snipe at 1km+ range with a bran muffin or go home... >.>

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

I promise you that the raid in question had mechanics that in no way could another player possibly know precisely where to move beforehand. If you are familiar with all FF14 raids and their mechanics, you can easily deliberate the possibilities. And I don't give further context and I use a alt toon on these forums for a reason. Believe me or not, it is your perogative.

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How do yall embed images into ur forum comments?

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

How do yall embed images into ur forum comments?

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https://i.imgur.com/OuzbO1b.png


here. you need the url link in order to post it, so you need to upload it somewhere. discord works, imgur works, etc

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Originally Posted by Mgram

Something I think is missing from this discussion is how the game data is handled and how those mods which show mechanics in advance actually work.

FF14 is a client-server game, while many fights are very scripted, there are some mechanics which cannot be predicted due to randomness.

The problem with this post is that it makes an impossible statement, it is straight up impossible for the game client (and any mods that someone is running) to have access to extra information that the game server has not yet sent.

This would be akin to someone rolling a dice, writing it on a letter and mailing it to you, and you predict the diceroll perfectly before it arrives. There is no actual way of knowing what the diceroll is on the letter without.... time travel?

In this analogy, the dice is being rolled by the server, and the letter is the data packets being sent to your game client.

Your game client, any mods or any system on your computer has zero way of knowing who the random mechanic will hit before it happens.

There are undeniably mods out there which people use and abuse which is unfortunate, but as far as I know, nobody has worked out time travel or breaking the laws of physics yet..

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In some cases, the server sends data about certain abilities to the client long before it is actually revealed to the player. Cactbot can intercept this data, and shotcall the outcome of those abilities before any player would be able to realistically access it.

This is seen frequently in fights where ability telegraphs are done through animations. It was particularly notable in places like P3S, P8S, and A11S.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

I have to admit, I actually missed the part where they said they reported the player. My bad on that one. If you're going to report someone, you should be absolutely sure they did it. Another player simply moving their character normally, even if the timing seems suspiciously convenient, is not evidence enough to submit a cheating report. I would hope no punitive action will be taken against the accused player based purely on OP's assumptions, but you never know when a report might land in the lap of a trigger-happy GM.

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Gotcha, it happens. Yes I agree, you never know, gms make mistakes too I imagine.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

How do yall embed images into ur forum comments?

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I have found the forum import images doesn't work for me so I use imgbb.com.

Once uploaded it will give you a link but you can change the link style. The one I have found that works for me here is BBcode Full Linked. Copy the link and paste it into the message.

Hope that helps!