I don't doubt that it could be done faster, but it isn't. At least that's the reason Yoshida gave, that it was only a matter of time before patches slowed down because they are creating a greater number of items than ever before, with more permutations adjusted by hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larirawiel
Soon they will add female Hrothgar and increase the number of jobs to 22. Before Hroth and Viera were added they weren't planning on any more jobs because they were already stretched to capacity on the amount they could support in the 3.5 month patch cycle, but demand was enough that they caved in with the concession of skipping hats for those new races. They didn't want to add even more delays by tailoring all headgear to the new shape of those race's heads.
Personally I think it's worth cutting some corners in equipment. Like is it still a big deal to have individual sets for all doh/dol classes each expansion? Most people skip those single class sets to buy the all-classes one. After ARR and 4 expansions, those new designs start to look samey, like the alchemist coats.
4-month patch cycle was a lie. It's almost 4.5 months now.
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08-07-2023, 05:25 PMRufalus
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08-07-2023, 05:43 PMAbsurdityCheck my previous post, the excuse that new races create this exponential amount of extra work making armors is complete nonsense. It would've held some water if they actually had to make new headgear for those new races, but they aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufalus
The only extra work those races produce is their initial design and their animations, which are a one-and-done job, there is no additional work each patch (unless it requires new animation work for emotes and that has nothing to do with gear). -
08-07-2023, 05:44 PMRufalusAt the very least doubling the number of jobs since the game launched means more weapon types to support each patch. I haven't gone and counted patch volume myself to check that total unique designs is going up, just repeating what they said. They need permission just to any small objects, they make 3D modelling resource cost sound very burdensome. I vaguely remember a dev story about adding some little decorative knife to a main scenario quest or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurdity
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08-07-2023, 05:50 PMAbsurditySure the new jobs do require a lot more initial work and more work every time they implement new weapons, which is why we already see them not make any weapons for previous content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufalus
But those aren't what we originally talked about and they seem quite happy to keep adding more and more jobs to their own detriment (and the detriment of the 4 people responsible for designing the job gameplay) every expansion.
If it's really that much extra work then maybe they should just...idk, stop adding 2 new jobs every 2 years? But we all know they won't, because new sparkly particle effects sell pre-orders. -
08-07-2023, 05:55 PMRufalus
Yeah you're right, I could've conflated some things in my interpretation. Racial stuff probably isn't a big contributor to the burden of creating patch items.
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08-07-2023, 06:09 PMElissar
There is a reason why every oldschool hardcore mmorpg flatlined...
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08-07-2023, 07:51 PMLarirawielI am sure, that they have automated tools to solve those permutations. And they could get rid of this problem if their game engine would implement a physics engine. A physics engine would also solve many clipping errors and would provide better clothes- and hair animations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufalus
Yes, female Hrothgar will be an additional efford for them. But additional jobs not really. Because most items are role/class specific and not job specific. So if they do not implement a completely new class, nothing will really change with new jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufalus
I guess, the new job specific quests need more effort than the items.
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08-07-2023, 09:41 PMJojoyaCorrect. They told us that the resources that in the past would go toward the extra dungeons were being used to create new battle content instead. That content was the Critical Engagements for Bozja, which they described as being more complex to design than dungeon bosses when Bozja was opened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurhz
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08-07-2023, 09:50 PMSupersnow845Pls ignore when we did eureka, 2 ultimates and 2 dungeons per patch with more interesting and varied jobs and better raids back in stormbloodQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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08-08-2023, 12:59 AMJojoyaThe person I replied was only talking about the number of dungeons in Shadowbringers and why there were fewer compared to Stormblood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersnow845
I was confirming what they remembered.
The rest of what you list there is irrelevant to what the two of us were talking about. I'm sorry you couldn't figure that out.
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08-08-2023, 01:04 AMSupersnow845Oh I’m so sorry did you think I was talking about you; easy mistake to make, no I was just using your conversation to pivot off and make a point about how the white knights in the community can’t even agree on what the baseline for white knighting isQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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08-08-2023, 01:41 AMRufalusWe can't be talking about the same thing because that isn't happening. If they had created a program to automate the process then all headgear would fit Viera and Hrothgar now. The subset of hats that were remodelled only happened because some staff took it upon themselves to fix them against Yoshida's instructions, in their own time out of work hours. The plan was not to do any of it because it still takes them a lot of hours by hand. If I said anything wrong in this thread it was just worded poorly but it's not bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larirawiel
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08-08-2023, 02:05 AMJojoyaThen there was no reason to quote me, was there? All I did was repeat what SE had told us. I wasn't passing judgment on honesty, accuracy or anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersnow845
I know you guys love playing your little games with me because you can't comprehend how others can still be enjoying the game while you wallow in misery and I'm happy to play back. Please, do continue. -
08-08-2023, 02:09 AMSupersnow845You were the person who’s thoughts I was bouncing off, the content of my comment never really referenced you, just that’s where I was getting my thoughts fromQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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08-08-2023, 06:42 AMSieyaM
Just going to say that wouldn't CBU III been working on XVI during the entire EW expansion as well. They probably hired on staff for that project but there is no doubt that team members from XIV were also working on XVI, so if your team has members that were previously working pretty exclusively on only one project now splitting their time between yours and another major release it might explain why the former is not getting the same kind of content or release schedule it had previously.
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08-08-2023, 08:16 AMStriker44Umm...dude...you QUOTED him. Did you really just quote someone and then try to insult them for interpreting your post as responding to them? Wow.Quote:
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08-08-2023, 08:36 AMVelaethia
To be fair a lot of the dev team has been working on ffxvi
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08-08-2023, 09:00 AMRolder50I would bet my entire life savings that nothing changes now that ffxvi is done and out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velaethia
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08-08-2023, 09:03 AMAwesomeJr44Critique: FFXVI's production has negatively impacted XIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by SieyaM
Typical Response: No, it hasn't! XVI has no impact on XIV!
Critique: FFXIV isn't making as much content as it should be.
Typical Response: But they are/were busy working on XVI! Of course they can't make as much as they used to!
Which one is it?
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08-08-2023, 09:19 PMKoroswhat would be the new excuse when 7.x is 5-month-per-patch i wonderQuote:
Originally Posted by SieyaM
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08-08-2023, 11:44 PMStriker44Depends, is it the same people making both responses? That's like saying they make exploratory zones for the relic, and people complain and want it simpler. Then they do tomestones for the relic, and people still complain and want it more complex. But...it's two completely different sets of people making the complaints in each case.Quote:
Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44
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08-09-2023, 01:46 AMSyln"So since the addition of the female Hrotgar, we decided to create a new technology called the "furry ears spatial sound" to simulate how cat experience sound, since it added a tremendous amount of work, "major" patch will be every 5 months from now on and even after we'll be done with it, please look forward to it !Quote:
Originally Posted by Koros
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We decided to move part of our team to different project (mogstation) to diversify our income venue (mogstation) and having more resources to further develop (the mOgSTatIon) the game, thus, we had to make the hard decision to switch our patch schedule to a 5 months cycle (eventually 5.5 months before the end of current expansion) you're welcome please look forward to it and don't forget to buy that pumpkin mount we will release 2 week before the "not Halloween at all" event o/ -
08-09-2023, 01:56 AMNaraku_Diabolos
All of you do realize that putting Dawntrail as a summer 2024 release is a hard reset for their expansion launches, right? Past expansions came out in the summer. The Pandemic had delayed everything. Then we had patches getting delays along with Endwalker being released in the beginning of September. Plus Dawntrail is packed with more content than past expansions (this includes Dawntrail’s patches), also including the graphical upgrades.
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08-09-2023, 02:16 AMThaCa
It wouldn't be so bad if the game had more replayable pvp content like CC and Mahjong. They are at least decent despite issues but heavily lack rewards.
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08-09-2023, 02:20 AMJojoyaEveryone is playing a guessing game about how CBU III is structured. There are obviously shared elements (YoshiP, Soken) but most of the developers assigned to the unit seem to be working on only one of the two games.Quote:
Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44
I don't think overall quantity of content has been impacted though players preferring certain content might have felt an impact as resources were reallocated to other content.
Quality? That probably depends on how one felt about HW game design since many of the HW devs were moved to work on XVI.
Personally I don't think current issues with XIV have anything to do with XVI. Job design aside (it's own problem), I think a lot of what's falling flat is because they've smashed 2 expansions worth story and content related to that story into a single expansion at the same time they're trying to remake the game for 7.0 with new story and new design philosophy (not MMORPG but RPG to be played solo or with friends).
Like my grandmother used to say, don't borrow trouble. Let's wait to see what actually happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koros
I don't have a problem with a 5 month cycle. Still a lot better than many WoW patch cycles were like when I was playing it (and they had a lot more developers working on WoW than XIV has). Good ol' patch 6.1 - a 6 month wait to get the selfie-cam with Twitter integration and a jukebox for the Garrison. -
08-09-2023, 02:36 AMAbsurdityQuote:
Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos
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That expansion which we know basically nothing about yet will totally have more content than every previous expansion, when nothing so far even remotely indicates that they will change their usual content delivery.
Whether Koros is another TitanMen alt or just here to rile people up doesn't even matter.
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08-09-2023, 02:42 AMNaraku_DiabolosMany streamers and articles online have gathered information from Yoshida’s interviews at Fan Fest that have stated so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurdity
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08-09-2023, 02:46 AMAbsurdityYou mean like how they hyped up Island Sanctuary, which turned out to just be Farmville but with more Excel spreadsheets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos
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08-09-2023, 03:46 AMNizziThe same guy who said "going forward, no expenses spared for Final Fantasy XIV" right before Endwalker came out is telling you that this is the biggest expansion yet and is totally going to have more content than ever before? It must be true!Quote:
Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos
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08-09-2023, 10:10 AMRenathrasI was with you until exactly here. I don't disagree with your overall point that ShB gets treated with more deference than it should, but I've always liked Eureka and Bozja content precisely BECAUSE I can spend a while on it. It makes it good "fallback" content late in patches when I've gone through all the other patch content. That's why I think such things are valuable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur
Contrary to you, I think grinds are the joy of this content, especially when it happens in the Exploration Zone so people can hang out and vibe together. It's OPTIONAL content, so it's okay if it takes a page from old school MMOs. The point is to have something shiny to glam with (and usually other things you can get along the way) that you can waste time in just chillin' and working at your own pace or falling back on when you've done everything else the latest patch has to offer. For people that don't want to grind...well...you aren't the target audience? If you're the type to run Savage and then raidlog in Limsa or cancel your sub until the next patch, the content is probably not made for you.
Not all content in the game is for everyone. I don't run Ultimates. I RARELY run Savages. I run Extremes fairly often, but this expansion haven't done that many of those.
...and that's fine. That content is for the people that want it, just as Exploration Zones are for the people that want IT. I don't get this idea that Exploration Zones aren't allowed because some people don't like them. If "everyone has to like it" is the rule, there'd literally be no content because even MSQ, the thing most done by the playerbase (something like 70%), isn't liked by everyone. There's literally NO content that could pass that "standard".
The only real issue I had with it is that it was often more efficient to gather the parts outside of Bozja. I think it should be possible to get the Relic outside of the Exploration Zones (for people that don't like EZs [heh, ironically counter-reality abbreviation...]), but I don't think it should be FAR MORE EFFICIENT to do so. Though I'd also like to note 6 Antitower runs takes less time and is less grindy than getting 1500 tomes is now. So of all the steps to complain about, you complained about the least grindy one that is arguably the least grindy single step of any Relic in FFXIV's history INCLUDING the current one?
I'm a bit confused about this. We never got MORE Trials. So we're getting the same amount of battle content, making this an odd critique to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deo14
If you mean "more story", a lot of the "more story" has been hit and miss.
Notwithstanding that at least one Trial in each tended to be part of the MSQ post-X.0 (Shiva I believe, Nidhogg, Tsuyu, and Warrior of Light were)...
ARR: You're sent to kill more Primals by Urianger in the Waking Sands...and that's it. There's no additional story to any of the base ones, with Leviathan and Ramuh and Moogle Mog basically being extensions of the MSQ storybeat of Beast Tribes summoning. Shiva kind of set up HW, but I think her story WAS part of the MSQ. It's been a while so I don't remember. Odin was just kinda...there, and reused some assets from the existing FATE anyway. Because there was literally a FATE of him. I'd be like if Ixion was the last Trial in SB. Oh, and a couple of extras from Hilde. 3, to be exact, Big Bridge, Dragon's Neck, and Big Keep. Oh, and the Relic related Chimera and Hydra.
HW: Waring Triad was an interesting enough story, but pretty thin gruel considering. We got to hang out with Krile some and meet Unu, so that was cool, but we learned RELATIVELY little information and there were no long-term lore implications. Nidhogg was not only part of the MSQ but was the culmination of the entire Dragonsong story. Don't remember if Hilde had another Trail for us in HW. For some reason I don't THINK that it did...but I'd have to check.
SB: The one where the extra Trials were never interesting to me. At no point did I find the Four Lords story interesting. Maybe if I was more versed in Eastern/Oriental lore, but I'm not. So there are these animals that somehow awaken and then live for thousands of years, but become beasts if they succumb to their emotions, so the answer is...to have them succumb to their emotions and then beat them senseless. Okay, fine. Oh, and one of them thinks we're hear ancient lover who died a thousand years ago. In fact, BECAUSE these were so disconnected from the MSQ is probably the reason this is my single least favorite Trial series. There were no real stakes in terms of the story. Maybe they'd go on a rampage - eventually - and someone else - probably a small army of Samurai - would put them down. Wooooo. No story connection, no lore expansion (Warring Triad at least went into some lore about Merycidia, the Echo, and even the Thirteenth). There was nothing interesting about them, and I more felt relief at having the checkbox once they were done than anything. The fights were okay, it was just I had no real INTEREST in them. And of course we have a rematch with Gil-er, "Yojimbo". Also had The Great Hunt, though that was weird and not like...normal...Trials/Extremes.
ShB: Again we have a MSQ Trial in 5.3 in WoL. While not the culmination of the story in the way Nidhogg was, it was kind of the "Scouring of the Shire" epilogue that tied everything together after the main events that preceded it. We got two bonus Trials, one of which was tied directly to the Exploration Zone (Varis as Cid's suppressed memory mechanism stand-in of his father) and the Sorrows of Wyrlyt story, which is the first time that a completely stand-alone Trial series actually had a REALLY GOOD story that had a pretty satisfying ending (and touching epilogue with Tataru's Grand Endeavor in EW) that COULD also have future lore implications as well. No Hilde, no Hilde Trial(s).
EW: This is the first time not just one post-X.0 Trail has had story involvement, rather all of them have done so (though...I think I heard something about a bonus Trail at Fanfest that I guess may come in 4.5? Possibly as part of Hilde...). With no exploration zone, there have been no Exploration Zone related Trials, and with not being ARR, no Relic related Trials, and despite heavily featuring Hildebrand, no Hilde related Trials. So...yeah.
I think it's less "no independent story" (as ShB was literally the only one to do that really well) and more a far lesser number of total Trials to date. In 6.5 we'll probably get ZerEx, and in 6.55, we MAY get whatever that mystery Trial is, but that will probably be it. Man, Island Sanctuary and Criterion REALLY taxed the budget. I mean, I guess you could call some of those fights up there, but...different audience, I think. Criterion Savage is more for Savage people that want smaller group content, not for the midcore types that typically do Extremes.
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08-09-2023, 10:13 AMAlexiaDyeah developers never lieQuote:
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09-24-2024, 12:53 PMAnimalsALot
Now it's 5-6 months LOL
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07-16-2025, 01:39 AMBedtimeBear
Yikes.. not surprising!