Endsinger Battle Might Need ilvl Sync

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Originally Posted by Disaresta51

So many battles need ilvl sync. I watched a stream of someone doing P5N for the first time and the boss was killed right before Devour. That's a major mechanic that the devs spent time and money making, but it wasn't even experienced. Yoshi P himself said during the TOP race debacle "why would we bother making this content anymore if people are gonna cheat?"(paraphrasing here). I think the same logic can be applied here. Why design these great thematic battles, if players through no fault of their own doesn't get to fully experience it.

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Excuse me what now? You can skip Devour now? This is messed up... Not as bad as being able to skip the whole scale mechanic in Aglaia, or melting Endsinger down, but still pretty bad.

ilvl sync should be applied to all normal mode trials, raids and alliance raids. Not only does it make for a better experience for first time players, it evens out the experience for repeat players. It's crazy when you can queue into a roulette and get VASTLY different difficulty depending on whether you get a trial/raid released early in the expansion or late in the expansion.

Not to mention, it's just boring to steamroll content. I'm sure some people appreciate being able to get their rewards quickly, but I think it's a mistake for the game to treat its content like it's a chore that you just want to be done with as quickly as possible.

Dungeons already get ilvl synced, so I don't understand why other forms of content don't. I guess there is wanting players to feel more powerful as they get better gear, but I would prefer if no-syncing is the option you have to opt-into for story content, rather than syncing. Naturally high level content like extremes and savages can keep no-syncing as default.

I remember i did arr shiva a few months back (i haven't played recently) and you can kill her in about a minute and a half. It's honestly absurd and I really hope they address this. Adding item level sync to this stuff would be an easy win between 6.5 and 7.0 and I can't imagine it would be hard to implement.

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

Healers get fun at endgame?

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Yeah, cuz you unlock substat-capped gear for the previous expansions' Savage/Ultimates and can do things like run 2.15 GCD with 0 Piety.

I would welcome an ilevel change, but we don't even necessarily need to go that far if people are worried about it being "too hard." Giving the bosses an HP buff proportionate to the party's item levels would be fine too I think. The important thing is seeing all the mechanics and story beats moreso than it is about it being challenging.

I registered on the forums just to add my voice in support of this. Every time the topic comes up, the player base seem nearly unanimously in support of it. Please add reasonable level syncs to the final bosses from each expansion, comparable to the final dungeon that takes place before them. If a particular trial were harder than average because of this and you're worried about roulette players abandoning it, couldn't you make those particular trials also drop extra rewards? Like a % multiplier on their roulette bonus or something. If I were a new player going through the story right now, I would be so underwhelmed and disappointed by these encounters. It feels almost like punishing players for not playing at launch.

And speaking of inflated ilevels... While you're already about to tweak the requirements for Alliance Raid Roulette, it would be wonderful if you could also lower the maximum ilevel for the alliance raids as well! I've been playing XIV since beta and it's so sad that we don't get to actually experience things like LotA or Syrcus Tower properly anymore. They don't need to be as hard as they were on launch, but so many players have never even seen the bosses' actual mechanics. Why does the "game" aspect have to disappear from the game?

I don't normally post very often. Why do the developers bother hiring musicians (including orchestras!) for longer music tracks, recording professional VA's, creating animations/phase transitions and spend time developing mechanics? No one past a certain point in time is going to see them within the same expansion they come out, let alone future expansions.

If corporate finds out that the average player is not seeing/hearing a lot of the content that a many man hours (and money) went into, what does that mean for future development of this content type?

There should be a flat +30 item level sync on all cap content. It's just enough that overgearing is beneficial while being tight enough to retain some of the content's initial difficulty. As it stands a lot of early expansion mechanics are skipped by power creep and damage is so low as to not challenge tanks/healers to utilize their kits at all. This is unrewarding for skilled players and reinforces bad habits in unskilled players. We'd all be better off if the game was slightly more challenging.

Posting here in support of this issue.

Ultima Weapon is an incredibly entertaining fight after the rework, and while the reworked fight is a big part of that, the ilevel sync of 60 is a big factor as well.

Since then, I firmly believe that every final boss trial need to be ilevel synched to, at most, 10 ilevels above the respective expansion artifact gear. Ie, 220 for Thordan, 300 for Shinryu, 440 for Hades, 570 for Endsinger. Rebalance the fights if needed, but ilevel alone will be a big improvement.

That's kinda way huge for Thordan; i170 was the best gear available at the time of his release, the post 3.0 'expert dungeons' awarding i160, which is closer to what folks usually had fighting him the first time (between i142 and i150). The artifact gear in HW is a special case because it was not awarded just for story/job quest completion.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

So few people get to see Thordan go into full on panic mode and flail around when his ultimate fails, which is a shame as it really set up the scene that follows the trial quiet well.

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I never saw this phase until doing a MINE run with my FC for 2 new players a while back. And I did that fight on patch. It's wild how out of control the fights get.

Remember if you agree with this thread and want to bring attention to it please like/star OP's original post.

this fight needs a urgent fix, new players that care about story are getting their experience ruined :/

I agree that major bosses should all be ilvl synced though, it kills the experience when you can steamroll it.

The ilvl thing can also lead people to do stuff that they can get away with when they have a high ilvl tank or healer, but if they're not, things are going south. AV is a pretty obvious normal content example.

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Originally Posted by TheGodSpectrum

I feel the same about all the other X.0 Final Fights, and the Cyrcus Tower Raids. I still to this day, do not know how half the mechanics of Cyrcus Tower work, and I've been playing since Stormblood.

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I was joking with my FC about this the other day. Im levelling an alt and got one shotted, no idea by what, how or why. I arrived much later than you, but I've still finished the main game and ran Cyrcys Tower many times. But, you just kinda plod through it and stuff is over before it really started. I only know a couple of mechanic things, loads I dont know.

Agreeing with pretty much everything that has been said here, just went through the aglaia alliance raid with daily roulette and it really is lame when the bosses aren't even allowed to go through their entire set of mechanics, we even skipped the damn balance mechanic. Not to mention it would feel nice to actually have to deal with the bosses mechanic in some raids like CT.

Don't have the time to read through the whole thread but want to add my voice to this. This is seriously messed up. When I went through the first time, I was on top of the world. By the time the lyrics kicked in, I was just bawling. Now I go through it and feel horrible for the poor newbies. The best parts of the highest moment in the game bar none - the payoff for hundreds upon hundreds of hours of play - is completely cut short. Even as someone who's run it probably a few dozen times now it just feels terrible. If I were running through it as a newbie it might actually make me regret starting to play the game at all. So much builds up to that moment that you absolutely cannot let it be anything short of perfect. And it was! It was a generational masterpiece now ruined by wonky numbers, and that's a real shame.

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Originally Posted by Sahmi

Don't have the time to read through the whole thread but want to add my voice to this. This is seriously messed up. When I went through the first time, I was on top of the world. By the time the lyrics kicked in, I was just bawling. Now I go through it and feel horrible for the poor newbies. The best parts of the highest moment in the game bar none - the payoff for hundreds upon hundreds of hours of play - is completely cut short. Even as someone who's run it probably a few dozen times now it just feels terrible. If I were running through it as a newbie it might actually make me regret starting to play the game at all. So much builds up to that moment that you absolutely cannot let it be anything short of perfect. And it was! It was a generational masterpiece now ruined by wonky numbers, and that's a real shame.

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They've already announced they will be making adjustments to bring it closer to the difficulty at release.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They've already announced they will be making adjustments to bring it closer to the difficulty at release.

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Not doubting you, but do you have a link to the source perhaps? It's the first time I hear about this, but I also can't read all the Japanese interviews and avoided parts of the last live letter.

Edit: Nevermind, it's in the patchnotes! Nice! Thanks Dev for this!

Now please do Shb, SB and HW, too! :D

Synced to 570 in 6.5. Patch notes.

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

Synced to 570 in 6.5. Patch notes.

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Yup, that's a victory for us.
Thing is, they now need to adjust the rest of the older content. Some of it scales very good nowadays, while others have become a joke. Honestly, one of the reasons I've been stalling my time in early ShB is because I know Hades will be a pathetic, anti climatic encounter.