Revelations from NA Fan Fest (July 2023)

I think of all the new places they've shown off, this second dungeon image piques my interest most.

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...eOMl_65dGM.jpg

The aetherial/elemental forces look like they're in utter chaos, and I can't help but wonder if it's just a local phenomena or perhaps indicative of something more concerning for Etheriys as a whole.

The lore panel was interesting. I'd always thought that Triple Triad was the place to go for hidden lore snippets, but it looks like I'll have to take up fishing as well. I'm not surprised that we didn't get much more in the way of answers around Amaurot, but it looks like some of that is being saved for the EE vol 3 at least, and it sounds like there were a lot more to the Q+A panel that will get posted later on.

I was surprised to note that Amaurot's Convocation was functioning as a sort of 'world government' by the time we visit Elpis. I'd like to know more about how that developed historically, but perhaps we'll find out more at a later point.

FISH LORE ;p

I'm sure someone screen-grabbed the slides that were flashed quickly. The Amaurot governance one was both unsurprising because the Ancients make more sense if they were a monolithic monoculture, because the core problem at the root of the Final Days was that they thought that there was only one absolute all-applicable answer to how to live one's life and have meaning, and they they alone had uncontested control over said planet and life, hence Hermes's desperation looking into unknown space to find a second opinion and later the having lost that illusion of control and freedom from pain, the inability to adapt and look outward instead of trauma-inducted clinging to nostalgia-illusion past. But there goes my last shred of hope for something appealing and interesting about the Pre-Sundering World and its prolonged usefulness as a game setting. Ultimately not surprised though, as to their meta-function to the narrative and setting is 'root origin of setting's overworld mobs and the overarching endgame antagonists and aids in the H/Z saga'.

The Convocation's inaction and people having debates if even to help the other cities during the Final Days does have a different feel to it then before when it was positioned via implication to be a parallel of Sharlayan debating if to go help Eorzea.

And now that the Omega raids, Ultima Thule, Ultima's auracite, and Manderville of all things establishes the extraterrestrial civilizations, the story usefulness of additional pre-Sundered civilizations to our current and future game can be covered from those origins.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

The lore panel was interesting. I'd always thought that Triple Triad was the place to go for hidden lore snippets, but it looks like I'll have to take up fishing as well. I'm not surprised that we didn't get much more in the way of answers around Amaurot, but it looks like some of that is being saved for the EE vol 3 at least, and it sounds like there were a lot more to the Q+A panel that will get posted later on.

I was surprised to note that Amaurot's Convocation was functioning as a sort of 'world government' by the time we visit Elpis. I'd like to know more about how that developed historically, but perhaps we'll find out more at a later point.

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I wanted to say, congratulations on getting your question in, by the way!

I wasn't that surprised at this revelation about Amaurot, because I've always said that Amaurot should really be digested as essentially a one-world government, just because it's a world where only the one nation is ever relevant; it being the literal only nation just helps that along. I think having that confirmed does change the tone of that one debate that everyone pointed to when talking about this, but not in a way I don't buy, it just becomes darker. If this were a story set on a contemporary Earth facing horrible, basically unstoppable and unmitigable disasters that nobody understands, US politicians (or just citizens, as it is in that quest) making the grim decision of 'we can't help London, we have to protect our own' would just be a setting of the stakes, you see that happen in so many 'worldwide disaster' movies; it makes complete sense that, after a point, a country has to protect their own over protecting their allies. It instead being one of their own cities makes it read more like those US politicians instead giving up on Hawaii: much darker, and depending on your read more cynical, because it actually does seem like they should have some sort of duty there. Depending on the timeframe you think Fake Amaurot is based on, and probably your personal read of the Ancients, People in the capitol considering turning their back on them either reads as a dire sign of how bad things truly are that they have to make these decisions, or a sign that the Ancients aren't truly holding as close to their supposed values as they first seem.

Personally, I read it as a combination, as it's almost a low-stakes microcosm of the same conflict we'd see when Venat faces the crowd in the post-Elpis scene: starting to see that for all their supposed duty and self-imposed importance, there are Ancients that will choose to preserve their own safety and comfort at the expense of others.


EDIT: And yes, on a lighter subject: I absolutely adored the look at fish lore, and highly recommend getting into it if you're a lore nerd, there's so much cool stuff. If you want a place to start and have Fisher somewhat leveled and equipped maybe through ocean fishing, I'd probably recommend going for Azys Lla's fish first: nothing there is super difficult to catch, and has some insane stuff in it, almost all of it clearly connected to exactly the subject you'd expect. It's a rare zone that's just all hits as far as fish lore goes: I don't think there's a single Azys Lla fish that isn't in some way interesting beyond the more mundane 'oh hey I kinda recognize what they based that fish on'. But really, if you've got a specific part of the game world you're curious about, checking out the fish of that region can tell you a bunch of neat stuff.

Speaking of more New World locations, it has been mentioned in the past the Garlean Empire had sent out expedition teams already to conquer some of the lands in the New World so we know they have setup control in certain areas of the New World already. However, we only get mentions that uprisings happened in those locations as well during the War when word spread about how the Garlean Empire was being pushed back and the status of those locations and the Garleans left stranded there due to losing contact with the Garlean Empire remains unknown.

If we are going to one of these locations eventually, I suspect we may get a Final Fantasy 7 theme expansion in a way. We may even get the FF14 version of Shinra in that expansion as well but have them be a Garlean Noble Family house that has control of that location.

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Some people are pointing this out but we can see something under that robe when the WoL is kneeling down for a very short moment.

https://i.imgur.com/F6FUoH0.png

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

I got mine off reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._dawntrail_70/

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There seem to be good chunks of land and islands stretching to the south of Tural (South South America?) and Meracydia finally has a place on the world map. Strangely, it's not obscured with clouds as Ilsabard so you can see how Meracydia actually looks like, which is weird to have in an expansion not focused on it.

If the plotlines were to be about stranded Garlean colonizers, we have Ilsabard. Same for any Allagan ruins reappearing - both Ilsabard and Meracydia. Having them as a narrative point while in Tural defeats the purpose of choosing Tural over Ilsabard and Meracydia (and lessens the point of going to those places in a later expansion, so let's save them or else the cloud cover will never leave).

And while we had VII representation with the Weapons trials in Werlyt, that doesn't mean that we need Garleans involved at all to have a Shinra-esque villain to hit up any references that haven't already been covered- though Aulus and the other Garlean mad scientists have covered everything but the actual super-soldier program of SOLDIER (unless idk you count Nael and Zenos), M'zhet Tia had Nanaki's plotline and BLU for Cosmos Canyon.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

There seem to be good chunks of land and islands stretching to the south of Tural (South South America?) and Meracydia finally has a place on the world map. Strangely, it's not obscured with clouds as Ilsabard so you can see how Meracydia actually looks like, which is weird to have in an expansion not focused on it.

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Yeah, I noticed the same when I saw someone else post the map in the general discussion forum and it looks like reddit also thinks the whispy clouds are suspicious since other undiscovered areas have much thicker cloud cover. It's also suspicious because Tural north of Tuliyollah is just as obscured as Ilsabard while the pampas? part of Yok Tural is teased.

So far we have only had 2 zones revealed to us: Yak Tel and Urqopacha, both in "Yok Tural", so there should be 3 other zones out there plus whatever whacky final zone they decide to do if they decide to stick to tradition.

I'm not sure if the tepuis (flat-topped mountains) on Yok Tural are their own zone or part of one of the 2 previously revealed zones. But Yok Tural looks too small to contain a whole expansion so I anticipate other parts of the map to be revealed later either in fanfests or during the expansion itself.

While I'd prefer a more centrally focused expansion that concentrated on one thing in one place like ShB, I don't think we can completely write off Meracydia since we now have a map that shows more of what it looks like than we do of Ilsabard. But hopefully we see more of Tural as a whole before swinging to the other side of the world for Africaustralia/Austrafica.

Wondering about the Alliance Raid info and screenshots we saw.

This could be Oschon's domain because we can see a Tonberry statue in the middle. The architecture seems somewhat Sharlayan-esque though.. so it could be Thaliak but again, Tonberry statue.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2OKXNya...jpg&name=large

This one though baffles me though. It doesn't immediately really fit either Llymlaen or Thaliak. It's far off from resembling anything Sharlayan or Limsa Lominsa-esque, it looks more like Yanxia. But does Nophica's domain resemble Gridania, I guess not, so perhaps this is a moot point. Honestly it looks more fitting as Oschon's domain, more fitting for a lone wanderer, but I can't see any Tonberry statues there!

It could also lead to the last mystery boss.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2OKQRNb...jpg&name=large

Yoshi-P mentioned there was a third screenshot he opted out of showing because it's too spoiler-y, I wonder what that would've been.. Probably just one of the bosses.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

If the plotlines were to be about stranded Garlean colonizers, we have Ilsabard. Same for any Allagan ruins reappearing - both Ilsabard and Meracydia. Having them as a narrative point while in Tural defeats the purpose of choosing Tural over Ilsabard and Meracydia (and lessens the point of going to those places in a later expansion, so let's save them or else the cloud cover will never leave).

And while we had VII representation with the Weapons trials in Werlyt, that doesn't mean that we need Garleans involved at all to have a Shinra-esque villain to hit up any references that haven't already been covered- though Aulus and the other Garlean mad scientists have covered everything but the actual super-soldier program of SOLDIER (unless idk you count Nael and Zenos), M'zhet Tia had Nanaki's plotline and BLU for Cosmos Canyon.

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I am talking about a Future expansion after 7.0. Not the 7.0 expansion being about the stranded Garleans left in the New World when Garlemald fell..

With so much of the New World we have not access to yet, they can easily focus each section or two of the New World for each expansion which we do know among them do have Garleans left stranded there after Garlemald fell. This open up one of expansion in the future to be maybe FF7 themed in a way if a certain region already gone through massive Garlean Influence before events of FF14.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I am talking about a Future expansion after 7.0. Not the 7.0 expansion being about the stranded Garleans left in the New World when Garlemald fell..

With so much of the New World we have not access to yet, they can easily focus each section or two of the New World for each expansion which we do know among them do have Garleans left stranded there after Garlemald fell. This open up one of expansion in the future to be maybe FF7 themed in a way if a certain region already gone through massive Garlean Influence before events of FF14.

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Again- why do that anywhere in the New World when you have the rest of Ilsabard who has had confirmed decades under Garlean imperial rule? People are already upset that we skipped over those regions due to not wanting to rehash a previous expansion. There is no reason that excludes not to have 8.0 going to North Tural and encountering a cerulean-based diselpunk society for more Shinra - or returning to Ilsabard where there's guaranteed Garleans - but putting the Garleans in the New World creates an unnecessary duplication when CBU3 has already shown leeriness of that before after SB.

And frankly as a fan of the Seanchan from Wheel of Time, the germ of this concept is fine with me- but also like the Seanchan I would want a few centuries of separation before the Returners invade or at least long enough for a syncretic culture to have formed. Which is why I could see that direction going for an unexpected take on Meracydia, where stranded Allagan conquerors survived.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

Again- why do that anywhere in the New World when you have the rest of Ilsabard who has had confirmed decades under Garlean imperial rule? People are already upset that we skipped over those regions due to not wanting to rehash a previous expansion. There is no reason that excludes not to have 8.0 going to North Tural and encountering a cerulean-based diselpunk society for more Shinra - or returning to Ilsabard where there's guaranteed Garleans - but putting the Garleans in the New World creates an unnecessary duplication when CBU3 has already shown leeriness of that before after SB.

And frankly as a fan of the Seanchan from Wheel of Time, the germ of this concept is fine with me- but also like the Seanchan I would want a few centuries of separation before the Returners invade or at least long enough for a syncretic culture to have formed. Which is why I could see that direction going for an unexpected take on Meracydia, where stranded Allagan conquerors survived.

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You're assuming too much about my comment being about skipping thos region.

I said we may get a expansion that may have regions in the New World that have Garleans stranded there after events of Garlemald's fall.

I never said anything about skipping the rest of Ilsabard for those regions only. At best a a expansion that goes into what became of the Garleans scattered outside of the known regions may include Ilsabard and the location where the Garlean got stranded in the New World since we know SE can release two new regions in one expansion if they wanted to as we seen in several expansions.

Also, I do not expect to see places like Ilsabard and the region in the New World where the Garleans got stranded until maybe 9.0 or higher. This is due to how 7.0 is only the I introduction to the New World arc so their focus maybe on regions where PR is possible for the Eorzean Alliance and expedition teams. This would also provide sometime for Garlemald to reestablish more of the government system to a point they may consider starting to reestablish contact with the scattered Garlean forces in Ilsabard and those stranded in the New World regions.

Having a small amount of Garleans- a Fate or two and some overworld mobs, like the Allagan stuff on the moon, isn't an unreasaonable expectation. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if we go to the Far North of Tural and get a reference while talking to the locals about how some Garleans showed up and then all died or disappeared in a nod to Roanoke Colony or the HMS Terror. It keeps a bit of consistency with more threads of ARR, like how The First had the Crystal Tower and The Twinning dungeon- but why bother with only having Garleans for the umpteenth time in Tural if the possibility to introduce brand new foes exists? They want to start seeding plots for several new expansions, so why hobble the chance to organically set up the replacement for the Garlean foes?

We have plenty of Garleans back home. We have plenty of Garleans stranded in Eorzea. 8.0 or 9.0 would give enough of a time bubble for the other regions in Ilsabard and Othard to grapple with the fall of the Garlean Empire and have another variation on the independent warlord nation-building with his/her legion's backing like we had in Bozja and Werlyt or the conquered Ilsabardian countries freeing themselves of Garlean control and influence or retaining aspects of the imperial governance and culture. But we don't need Garleans to have a empire nor one that uses magitek and/or cerulean. Or have them on Tural to have the stranded Garleans reestablishing contact with Garlemald Reborn. So far Dawntrail looks to be avoiding a plot centered on colonization reflecting European imperialism in the Americas, to the deep relief of many, and having a Garlean colonial outpost undoes that.

In a press meeting Yoshi-p was asked how long this "new" story will continue and he says at least two expansions, but probably more if the players like it.

Which then leads me too "The Golden City". I'm sure everyone is familiar with the legend, but casting anything as "golden" has become a metaphor for something so amazing and advanced you can begin to comprehend. The common allusion for this is the streets in heaven built in gold. But heaven can't literally be built in gold so it is something beyond understanding. So, setup for this journey seems fun, but really when we get there, what will we find and what will it reveal? Whatever it is will spring board us to 8.0 and beyond.

Furthermore, if you slow the trailer at the end when you see the WOL standing at the helm, you can clearly see a person whose face is obscured by a sail wearing the blue and white outfit associated with Alphinaud and piloting the ship is a darkened (probably on purpose) Lalafell, who is probably Krile. So if we are using this as evidence, the faction the WOL sides with will be Krile, Alphinaud and Erenville as they are the people the WOL is traveling to Tural with in trailer. The keynote goes on to claim that a visitor from the new world will be the one to bring the WOL to Tural, so we can assume this new mysterious person will be the 4th rounding out the party.

Also the WOL is fighting Gulool Ja Ja in the trailer and this doesn't match what was said in the keynote (that Gulool Ja Ja is looking for successor). So some sort of political turmoil will see us on the wrong side established rule and if we take it a step further, the mysterious character who hasn't been revealed to bring the WOL to Tural will most likely be caught up in this struggle as well.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

Having a small amount of Garleans- a Fate or two and some overworld mobs, like the Allagan stuff on the moon, isn\\'t an unreasaonable expectation. Frankly I wouldn\\'t be surprised if we go to the Far North of Tural and get a reference while talking to the locals about how some Garleans showed up and then all died or disappeared in a nod to Roanoke Colony or the HMS Terror. It keeps a bit of consistency with more threads of ARR, like how The First had the Crystal Tower and The Twinning dungeon- but why bother with only having Garleans for the umpteenth time in Tural if the possibility to introduce brand new foes exists? They want to start seeding plots for several new expansions, so why hobble the chance to organically set up the replacement for the Garlean foes?

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I think you\\'re focused way too much on the whole Avoid Colonization plot thing. There are many other ways they can handle showing the aftermath of Garlean conquest influence in those regions that does not involve Colonization. Failed conquest, damaged PR relationships, and etc. Not to mention we are not guaranteed all civilizations in the new world are as tribal as certain civilizations. There maybe some advance civilizations more at the level with the civilization in Eorzea. Some may have developed or adopted Garlean or adjusted there\\'s to be similar but still function differently.

Yes the Garlean Empire is gone and there will be no more Garlean Empire. However, I am not taking about Garlean Empire fully reestablishing itself. I am talking about long term results of Garlean influence in those regions and what it may have in long term result we do not fully understand at this point such as potential risk in PR in certain regions we may eventually go to, how much a civilization been changed as a result despite no longer being under Garlean Control, and how those left stranded may have adjust to there new life while some have not due to the amount of time has passed.

Reestablishing contact with these separated Garlean forces is, for now, the most reasonable plot reason we may start advancing into regions like Ilsabard and the location where Garleans may have influenced in the New World in FF14. They will never establish their former Empire again and we will most likely never see what New Garlemald looks like in FF14 life, but it is reasonable they would seek to reach out to other Garleans in hope they may help with the reconstruction of their City or establish new homes while they focus on rebuilding their capital over several generations slowly.

I'm curious to learn more about this 'Golden City'- and severely doubt it'll be just an El Dorado of something that looks like Tuliyollal but gold-plated. The biggest question for me will be if it is at all connected to the Urqopacha ruins with the mysterious lightning aether built by the 'giants' empire or it belongs to another hidden or ancient civilization (capitalization deliberately not used but then again I wouldn't be 100% surprised).

On reddit a post thread has discussed the Wanderer's Palace Hard, so I do am expecting an optional dialogue option or sidequest to connect back to our part in the death of a Mamook throne contender. (Also expecting an addictive retcon explaining that Manxome Molaa Ja Ja was aiming to be leader not of the entire Federation but a Mamool Ja state within it or a group outside its governance. But I do expect a "Technically I didn't kill them, it was tonberries" dialogue option.)

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I think you\\'re focused way too much on the whole Avoid Colonization plot thing. There are many other ways they can handle showing the aftermath of Garlean conquest influence in those regions that does not involve Colonization. Failed conquest, damaged PR relationships, and etc. Not to mention we are not guaranteed all civilizations in the new world are as tribal as certain civilizations. There maybe some advance civilizations more at the level with the civilization in Eorzea. Some may have developed or adopted Garlean or adjusted there\\'s to be similar but still function differently.

Yes the Garlean Empire is gone and there will be no more Garlean Empire. However, I am not taking about Garlean Empire fully reestablishing itself. I am talking about long term results of Garlean influence in those regions and what it may have in long term result we do not fully understand at this point such as potential risk in PR in certain regions we may eventually go to, how much a civilization been changed as a result despite no longer being under Garlean Control, and how those left stranded may have adjust to there new life while some have not due to the amount of time has passed.

Reestablishing contact with these separated Garlean forces is, for now, the most reasonable plot reason we may start advancing into regions like Ilsabard and the location where Garleans may have influenced in the New World in FF14. They will never establish their former Empire again and we will most likely never see what New Garlemald looks like in FF14 life, but it is reasonable they would seek to reach out to other Garleans in hope they may help with the reconstruction of their City or establish new homes while they focus on rebuilding their capital over several generations slowly.

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My biggest hope is that there is an advanced (and hostile) civilization in Northern Tural that we get hints of, one that has been using cerulean technology for far longer than the Garleans and who found their tech amusingly amateurish and curb-stomped any Garlean exploratory group. To have a brand-new fresh threat (with new and cooler designs).

To have that as well as return to Ilsabard and journey to the former Garlean-occupied countries, see multiple distinct variations how those places have chosen to deal with the imperial legacy and remaining Garlean population there, and have the PR effects of having helped Garlemald itself during 6.x.

I want both. I don't see the appeal in only having the second option. We have three continents worth of Garlean impacted settings, the value of yet another one when we have yet to explore all of Ilsabard and Othard is diminishing returns.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

My biggest hope is that there is an advanced (and hostile) civilization in Northern Tural that we get hints of, one that has been using cerulean technology for far longer than the Garleans and who found their tech amusingly amateurish and curb-stomped any Garlean exploratory group. To have a brand-new fresh threat (with new and cooler designs).

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So, Garlemald but bigger, badder. Sounds boring if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Alenore

So, Garlemald but bigger, badder. Sounds boring if you ask me.

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Want them to do more than just everything ties into the Garleans (And Allag). That is boring. I want the XIV team to prove that they have more plot-lines for this world that don't fall back onto the Garleans and Allag and if the next ten years has an overarching long-term villain or not, and if it is a multi-arc antagonist that it doesn't repeat the same 'hooded council of shadowy motivations doing behind-the-scenes manipulations' that the Ascians were. I don't want the Garleans brushed aside because I want Ilsabard locale plot-lines. But we need fresh antagonists.

It's also why I'm interested in the fallen civilization in Urqopacha that used to rule all of Tural- because even if we don't get "Bigger, badder Garlean Empire but with a twist", what we could get is: Here's a more recent example than Allag of a civilization that did what Garlemald did, conquered all of its neighbors, fell through the instability of imperial dictatorships, and here a thousand years later is the pluralistic federation that replaced it. And we take the lessons of Tural to return back to Ilsbard-Aldenard-Othard for guidance on what not to do and what to do while rebuilding Garlemald itself and the once-conquered neighbors.

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Originally Posted by Tehmon

Wondering about the Alliance Raid info and screenshots we saw.

This could be Oschon's domain because we can see a Tonberry statue in the middle. The architecture seems somewhat Sharlayan-esque though.. so it could be Thaliak but again, Tonberry statue.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2OKXNya...jpg&name=large

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Those are mandragoras, not Tonberry.

Though that just makes me further wonder if they're going to go for the "People from Elpis are the Twelve" angle considering we had that mandragora researcher...

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Those are mandragoras, not Tonberry.

Though that just makes me further wonder if they're going to go for the "People from Elpis are the Twelve" angle considering we had that mandragora researcher...

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The statue in the center, with the waterfall in the background, looks a lot like a Tonberry. It seems to be holding a lantern.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

The other interesting answer was that there wasn't an Star Wars Outter Rim type situation pre-sundereding. So, take that how you will.

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I re-watched some of the panel looking for this. What are you referring to here out of curiosity?

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Originally Posted by Narnio

I re-watched some of the panel looking for this. What are you referring to here out of curiosity?

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I think Sanna is meaning that there wasn't any nations autonomous of Amaurot's control in Ancient Etheirys (in the Star Wars universe there were worlds in the Outer Rim that were not part of the Republic and so were fully independent politically, hence the juxtaposition).

Which, is rather odd, considering that the Convocation had an actual seat whose whole purpose was stated among other things to "study other cultures on the Convocation's behalf" - aka Azem - so that is either a retcon or the lore panel's explanation has been misunderstood.

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Originally Posted by Narnio

I re-watched some of the panel looking for this. What are you referring to here out of curiosity?

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So in Star Wars let alone similar universes where there is a huge central government that governs vast swaths of populations. There are town, nations, or planets normally on the out skirts that are so far away that said government don't feel it's worth their time to govern. So those areas tend to be either lawless or run under different set of rules. However the pre-sundered world no matter how far away from Amurot is under the Convocation's jurisdiction. At least by the point of time when we visit Elps. So those other nations that were already being affected by the Final Days that were being debated about on if they should send help or not were read by some as maybe not falling under the Convocation's jurisdiction.

Yet now we know for sure anywhere that Humans were in the pre-sundered world by the time the Final Days started happening those places were under Convocation jurisdiction and normally wouldn't or shouldn't have been ignored just because they were so far away. It would be like if Alaska or Hawaii got attacked, but Washington D.C. debated on if to send troops or any form of help due to them being so far away. Or technically not under their control. You know if planes didn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Which, is rather odd, considering that the Convocation had an actual seat whose whole purpose was stated among other things to "study other cultures on the Convocation's behalf" - aka Azem - so that is either a retcon or the lore panel's explanation has been misunderstood.

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I don't remember that line (so indication of when that might've been said would be helpful), but even if that's true, it doesn't go against this: a one-world government doesn't mean a monolithic culture. Cultures and subcultures persist and emerge no matter how singular, conformist and all-encompassing the 'core identity' is. Hell, I'd argue that a society so insanely conformist that they mandate identical robes and masks is absolutely gonna have new punk and rebel subcultures cropping up on a weekly basis just out of boredom if nothing else, and if you're really serious about keeping Big Greyrobes in business as an industry, you're gonna have someone keeping track of that!

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Originally Posted by Denishia

I'm curious to learn more about this 'Golden City'- and severely doubt it'll be just an El Dorado of something that looks like Tuliyollal but gold-plated. The biggest question for me will be if it is at all connected to the Urqopacha ruins with the mysterious lightning aether built by the 'giants' empire or it belongs to another hidden or ancient civilization (capitalization deliberately not used but then again I wouldn't be 100% surprised).

On reddit a post thread has discussed the Wanderer's Palace Hard, so I do am expecting an optional dialogue option or sidequest to connect back to our part in the death of a Mamook throne contender. (Also expecting an addictive retcon explaining that Manxome Molaa Ja Ja was aiming to be leader not of the entire Federation but a Mamool Ja state within it or a group outside its governance. But I do expect a "Technically I didn't kill them, it was tonberries" dialogue option.)

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"And he deserved it."


I wonder why outside help is even being sought to decide the throne in the first place. And how can that be legitimate? Its one thing if we're there already and then get dragged in, but to be sought out is odd. Erenville possibly being an exception if this is the family business he was concerned about. Is it confirmed he's from there? I know the voice at the end of the trailer isn't him.

And, for the record, I'm not really surprised by the one world government thing with Amaurot. Simply b/c they seemed to be the ones making the decisions for everyone and always spoke as if they felt they represented the whole planet. Could have just been arrogance, but that was less likely since the ancients apparently didn't do war ("disagreements on the fate of the star, always fleeting"), which means no one challenged their authority on it.

Given our setting's love of city states, it was probably just a federation of those with Amaurot designated as the capitol. Locals dealt with local policy, and sent help tickets up to the Convocation for bigger issues. And then IT Azem got sent to assess.*

*Note, I have not seen the lore panel yet, so forgive me if I am just stating the obvious.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

I don't think the problem is as simple as 'the story says there's not colonialism so don't think about it like that'. It's sort of an inevitable specter around a story where the base pitch is 'a bunch of white people (who are generally from a European-analogue location even if geographically it's more Africa) go to the unsettled America-analogue'; even if you're not doing a colonialist story, there's a lot of tropes you could accidentally fall into. Which, in fact, they've already been doing: we've been calling it 'the New World' until now, which is... not great.

Perhaps fortunately, the lore and translation panel from FanFest did make a point of basically saying 'we know we haven't been the best at this in the past, we're making an effort to do better with Dawntrail specifically'.

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I don't see the issue with saying the New World, personally. It was new to them versus the old, fully charted and explored, world they came from. That goes for both real life and in-game. English says "Earth", Japan says "Ningenkai". Hingashi calls us "the west" and we call Othard "the far east", etc. Descriptors based off your own pov aren't inherently a good or bad thing.

besides, we're getting the proper name from the locals for it when we get there and I'm sure it'll either supplant "New World" or both will be referenced from that point on. New World might still be used to reference the two continents at once, like "The Americas" or "The Three Great Continents".

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Originally Posted by Kesey

Also the WOL is fighting Gulool Ja Ja in the trailer and this doesn't match what was said in the keynote (that Gulool Ja Ja is looking for successor). So some sort of political turmoil will see us on the wrong side established rule and if we take it a step further, the mysterious character who hasn't been revealed to bring the WOL to Tural will most likely be caught up in this struggle as well.

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We don't know for certain that we're fighting Gulool Ja Ja, given that there are potentially multiple two-headers around. And if it is him, maybe it's a trailer fakeout and he's just testing us.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

Manxome Molaa Ja Ja

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That reminds me, I wonder if they're going to run with the Jabberwocky references from the boss epithets there.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

there weren't any nations autonomous of Amaurot's control in Ancient Etheirys

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Just grabbing your quote because it's closest, but on that general subject, I agree with the people saying it doesn't line up with what we knew before, like the debate scene and Azem's job to visit other cultures.

Throw it in the pile of "I don't think the Ancients were ever treated with robust worldbuilding, so don't stare too closely".

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Originally Posted by Iscah

And if it is him, maybe it's a trailer fakeout and he's just testing us.

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That feels very likely to me. The scions are way too relaxed in that town for us to actually be persona non grata there at that moment.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

I don't see the issue with saying the New World, personally. It was new to them versus the old, fully charted and explored, world they came from. That goes for both real life and in-game. English says "Earth", Japan says "Ningenkai". Hingashi calls us "the west" and we call Othard "the far east", etc. Descriptors based off your own pov aren't inherently a good or bad thing.

besides, we're getting the proper name from the locals for it when we get there and I'm sure it'll either supplant "New World" or both will be referenced from that point on. New World might still be used to reference the two continents at once, like "The Americas" or "The Three Great Continents".

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A quick quote from Wikipedia, that I think does a pretty good job of explaining why the term is problematic in real life:

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The term "New World" is still commonly employed when discussing historic spaces, particularly the voyages of Christopher Columbus and the subsequent European colonization of the Americas. It has been framed as being problematic for applying a colonial perspective of discovery and not doing justice to either the historic or geographic complexity of the world. It is argued that both 'worlds' and the age of Western colonialism rather entered a new stage, as in the 'modern world'.

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Basically, while it may not have been intended in this way when originally coined by Vespucci, it completely dismisses the people and culture of that area by basically just implying that the region itself has less-to-no history compared to the 'old world', and is very much language used to implicitly justify or soften colonialism. Yes, it makes some amount of sense that in FFXIV the term cropped up, but it was still a bad move for that reason, both in-universe for that reason and out-of-universe for echoing language used in a part of history that casts a pretty dark shadow on the story being told.

If you want to tell a story about going to a fantasy version of the Americas, that treats the native people and cultures with respect, the first thing you want to do is to avoid calling the place the name for the Americas used by the real-world people that absolutely did not respect those peoples and cultures.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

If you want to tell a story about going to a fantasy version of the Americas, that treats the native people and cultures with respect, the first thing you want to do is to avoid calling the place the name for the Americas used by the real-world people that absolutely did not respect those peoples and cultures.

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I think this is a bit of a issue with the New World word for the new Story Arc. People associate too much negativity with it. Not only that there is a slight issue they are assuming the entire New World region is going to be pre-Columbian America style civilizations.

We, as players limited to what we are given in current storyline, are not 100% certain the new region is exactly like Pre-Columbian America since Eorzea is not exactly a 1 to 1 reflection of Earth.

Due to how unknown these regions are, we may see civilizations that are equally advance as the civilization in Eorzea and maybe almost equal to Garlean Empire as well though their own method of technology advancements.

Yes what little we gotten so far has been themed around Pre-Columbian civilizations but we are uncertain just what kind of culture and civilizations exists in the New World fully since we only touched on what is probably only a very small amount of knowledge about Civilizations and cultures that exist there.

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As for what point we are jumping into this new Continent that only began having massive investment into exploration now that the War against Garlemald is over, we are not entering these regions fresh as we already learned many years of expedition have already been done at this point by both those related to the Eorzean Alliance and Garlean Empire.

How much they have influenced and how much each culture reacted to their years of involvement within their regions is the main question.

The region we are going to for this expansion appears to be less influenced but enough has been established to set up a full trading center which we get bits of when seeing each Scion doing their own thing.

However, we cannot expect all regions to be this well preserved in their technology level and culture since we know certain regions have already gone through heavy influence from people from the Eorzean Alliance region and Garlean Empire.

A lot of things is eventually unavoidable with the New Continent Arc since there is always concept that some civilization may end up mixing together other civilization concepts, such as technology, to make life easier but still maintain most of their culture. You cannot really expect a civilization that once depended on only Kettles for their bathroom with no sewer system to just complete abandon the toilet and functioning sewer system as a exmple. Some may as attempt to go back to roots or just act in extreme ways to remove outside influence of course.

Personal Relation issues is also up in question within different regions of the New Continent Arc since the events of Garlean Conquests and certain Capitalism attempts to profit off the New Continent region from people within the Eorzea Alliance regions most likely made things difficult in certain regions we will not be exploring yet until a future Expansion. However, this is probably one of the reasons why we are starting the New Continent arc in this region where Eorzea Alliance and Garlean Empire influence is still at the lowest point. It establish a friendly relationship now, and maybe more in 8.0, until we enter more serious regions that have more negative views about someone from Eorzea even though WoL literally saved the entire Planet.

However, I expect not everyone in the New Continent will even know who the WoL is. Part of the concept for entering the New Continent is that we maybe starting mostly fresh in a place that may know little to nothing about WoL's history. If i remember right, they did mention that the New Continent regions got very little amount of information about what was going on in Eorzea so most of their knowledge about Eorzea comes mostly from people visiting the New Continent either from the Garlean Empire or Eorzea Alliance regions.

We also know that the Mamool Ja that are in Eorzea are there for two reasons. One is for mercenary work. The other is the implication that back home stuff isn't stable and they fled. The Mamool Ja might be everywhere in Tural, as we've been told by various sources and yet they're here taking up mercenary work.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

We also know that the Mamool Ja that are in Eorzea are there for two reasons. One is for mercenary work. The other is the implication that back home stuff isn't stable and they fled. The Mamool Ja might be everywhere in Tural, as we've been told by various sources and yet they're here taking up mercenary work.

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I honestly think this is one of those cases that life where they live is just not that good during the current time of events so expanding out for Merc work helps them earn money to obtain supplies and other resources they cannot obtain in their own regions to better their own life.

With the interaction of new civilizations different from their own, it also results in introducing certain things that would improve living conditions for certain civilizations in certain areas such as newer food that provide better nutrition but cannot grow in the region, resources for crafting things or improving on things, and etc.

The other aspect is most likely certain people from Eorzea Alliance regions maybe taking advantage of them as we know it is a common thing certain people do, looking at certain Syndicate members, for profit. Probably the usual "work for me" or "do this work" and they are promised pay they can use to buy things they can send back to their home stuff.

After a couple of times watching it, the music grew on me and I am looking forward to 7.0. Hopefully it wont just end with another huge threat. I am fine with it just being a local conflict.
Also curious how 6.5 story will play into this. The devs teased that something big might happen at the end, so I am not sure what that could be that would still lead us into our beach epsiode.

Not so sure if I am a fan that all of the scions seems to be part of it. At the same time I loved Graha and Estinien in this.

Hopefully the devs are no cowards and finally show us THAT dance of the Mamool Ja. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Alleo

After a couple of times watching it, the music grew on me and I am looking forward to 7.0. Hopefully it wont just end with another huge threat. I am fine with it just being a local conflict.
Also curious how 6.5 story will play into this. The devs teased that something big might happen at the end, so I am not sure what that could be that would still lead us into our beach epsiode.

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I have to imagine that 6.5 ends with us not stopping or not fully stopping Zeromus and she(?) gets away to be a threat growing in the background. And maybe we have ulterior motives for heading to Tural, like there's rumors that point to a void rift existing or the city of gold could be a remnant of the ancients that might be useful or something. Or, with Zeromus off to parts unknown, we don't know what else to do and this just falls in our lap.

I notice a distinct lack of both Zero and Vrtra in this trailer, so far, even as voice lines. Like, they could still be with us, but I can definitely see them exiting the story for a bit to follow up on the void stuff while we're in south america.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

I have to imagine that 6.5 ends with us not stopping or not fully stopping Zeromus and she(?) gets away to be a threat growing in the background. And maybe we have ulterior motives for heading to Tural, like there's rumors that point to a void rift existing or the city of gold could be a remnant of the ancients that might be useful or something. Or, with Zeromus off to parts unknown, we don't know what else to do and this just falls in our lap.

I notice a distinct lack of both Zero and Vrtra in this trailer, so far, even as voice lines. Like, they could still be with us, but I can definitely see them exiting the story for a bit to follow up on the void stuff while we're in south america.

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Vrtra I imagine is just not going with us. Fair enough, he's got a country to run.

Zero's not in the teaser, but that could either be 'she's not joining us' or 'she is joining us but we don't want to reveal that just yet'; Krile's not in the teaser despite us knowing she's gonna be involved, and Alphinaud only appears out-of-focus in a way that suggests they cut his scene.

I think the void stuff will wrap up and there will be follow up side quests for players who have done Eden and ShB role quests. We already have Krile's letter and Thancred & Urianger mentioning requests for help as reasons to go to the New World

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Originally Posted by Yuella

I think the void stuff will wrap up and there will be follow up side quests for players who have done Eden and ShB role quests. We already have Krile's letter and Thancred & Urianger mentioning requests for help as reasons to go to the New World

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I kind of expect they may give the Scions a reason to stay Main characters for the New World story arc anyways.

It saves up having to spend time developing new Main characters.

However, it does seem reasons vary among each group.

Y'shtola's reason is obviously to continue her research into traveling between shards.

However, the others appear to be hired by different groups for different tasks.

Thancred and Urianger, from the trailer, seem to be focus on exploration tasks.

I think Krile and G'raha maybe focus on more political tasks from a separate group.

As for the Twins, we have yet to see hints on what reasons they may be going to the Expansion regions. However, we may get the hint on what task they have in Alphinaud's section of the full trailer since his part was cut out in the teaser version of the trailer but we do hear him in the beginning of the teaser trailer.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

I think the void stuff will wrap up and there will be follow up side quests for players who have done Eden and ShB role quests. We already have Krile's letter and Thancred & Urianger mentioning requests for help as reasons to go to the New World

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I have to wonder if Krile's letter writer is different from Thancred and Urianger's letter writer. If we are talking about a division among the Scions, even friendly, could start with taking requests from two different petitioners.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

I have to imagine that 6.5 ends with us not stopping or not fully stopping Zeromus and she(?) gets away to be a threat growing in the background. And maybe we have ulterior motives for heading to Tural, like there's rumors that point to a void rift existing or the city of gold could be a remnant of the ancients that might be useful or something. Or, with Zeromus off to parts unknown, we don't know what else to do and this just falls in our lap.

I notice a distinct lack of both Zero and Vrtra in this trailer, so far, even as voice lines. Like, they could still be with us, but I can definitely see them exiting the story for a bit to follow up on the void stuff while we're in south america.

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Right now for me, the tone of the trailer makes no sense if Zeromus still exist because I just cant see the WoL being so relaxed and happy while there is another world ending threat out there. Of course the tone can still change a bit with the full trailer.

They also cant really rejoin the 13th because jobs like reaper need the existance of the void to function.