So why are the crafter relics.. bad.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

In any case, if a player isn't doing expert crafts, you don't need these tools. Not just because of the Good bonus on touches. Rather, it is because of the nature of how crafting works. You can't get to 110% HQ, so everything over 100% is a waste.

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I wouldn't say it's a waste, at least for macro mass crafting, it's not uncommon to get a poorly timed Excellent, such as on the Great Strides right before the Byregot's Blessing, and miss the mark on HQ, so there is an argument to make macros that go over 100% to have yourself a "buffer", granted, there is an opposite argument that a more reliable macro would take longer, or go above 15 actions, and thus it's better to eat the risk and deal with the misses, but if you can get that buffer without investing harder, it's something everyone doing mass crafting would welcome.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I wouldn't say it's a waste, at least for macro mass crafting, it's not uncommon to get a poorly timed Excellent, such as on the Great Strides right before the Byregot's Blessing, and miss the mark on HQ, so there is an argument to make macros that go over 100% to have yourself a "buffer", granted, there is an opposite argument that a more reliable macro would take longer, or go above 15 actions, and thus it's better to eat the risk and deal with the misses, but if you can get that buffer without investing harder, it's something everyone doing mass crafting would welcome.

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Caimie either came up with the solution to this (or shared one that someone else had found) when macro crafting.

As long as you don't have 2 Touch steps in your finisher before Great Strides/Byregot, insert Tricks of the Trade before Great Strides. You end up getting this:

Innovation - any condition
Touch (optional) - any condition

Tricks of the Trade - if Good/Excellent, restore 20 CP. If Normal/Poor, error not available.

If Tricks was Good/Excellent, then Great Strides will be Normal/Poor.
If Tricks errored, then that same condition is now carried to Great Strides.

Byregot will now be Normal at worst and has a chance to be Good/Excellent if Great Strides was not Poor.

If your macro is cutting it very thin when getting to 100%, you could still be adversely affected by poor timing of a Excellent earlier in the craft without any offsetting Good but we no longer need to worry about Byregot's being wasted.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Caimie either came up with the solution to this (or shared one that someone else had found) when macro crafting.

As long as you don't have 2 Touch steps in your finisher before Great Strides/Byregot, insert Tricks of the Trade before Great Strides. You end up getting this:

Innovation - any condition
Touch (optional) - any condition

Tricks of the Trade - if Good/Excellent, restore 20 CP. If Normal/Poor, error not available.

If Tricks was Good/Excellent, then Great Strides will be Normal/Poor.
If Tricks errored, then that same condition is now carried to Great Strides.

Byregot will now be Normal at worst and has a chance to be Good/Excellent if Great Strides was not Poor.

If your macro is cutting it very thin when getting to 100%, you could still be adversely affected by poor timing of a Excellent earlier in the craft without any offsetting Good but we no longer need to worry about Byregot's being wasted.

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Oh that's damn clever, I hadn't thought of that and I will keep it in mind, and I guess cut down on my habit of overshooting quality by at least 20% to account for failure, I feel there is still a point about action limit, if you are trying to keep a macro within 15 actions(or even better 14 so you can add an /echo at the end), but it doesn't deny the effectiveness of the trick.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Um...because they're obviously more steps to it later down the road? We dont get anymore crafting tool updates till 7.0 So by next patch, the relic tools will be better than the indigator tools by stats and bonuses.

Speaking of which, yeah you also do realize the relics themselves have attached bonuses to stuff right?

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Based on Shadowbringers, this is the last step for the crafting relics. They never surpassed the crafted tool equivalent nor did the "Ultimate" version either. Unless they opt to change that, they won't be any further improvements.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Based on Shadowbringers, this is the last step for the crafting relics. They never surpassed the crafted tool equivalent nor did the "Ultimate" version either. Unless they opt to change that, they won't be any further improvements.

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They already announced the continuation of splendorous tools in 6.45 and showed screenshots in the Live Letter.

Who cares with the DoH tools? The DoL tools are the superstars here with those bonus addition. :)

I need to get into the habit of manually crafting as well. So much faster