The Definition of "Handsome"

Some people see a man barely being able to contain his rage over the abduction of his sister and all they can focus on is his face, so superficial tsk tsk.

If I recall correctly, Zero uses the default 1.0 female Midlander body like how Ardbert uses the default male Midlander body. This is important because it led to speculation that Zero was the unaccounted for-missing Azem soul on the 13th and why Zeno specifically chooses Zero to be his Avatar.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

If I recall correctly, Zero uses the default 1.0 female Midlander body like how Ardbert uses the default male Midlander body.

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I haven't seen them side-by-side but I don't think it's the same face design. From memory the WoL design was using a hairstyle still available in the character creator.

It definitely won't be "the same body", or rather there is no significance to bodies, because faces are the only directly customisable part of a standard character model. They are both female Midlanders, but that is all.

All that said, she doesn't need any particular design to turn out to be the WoL's shard, although I don't particularly want it to take that direction. Or if it does, I don't want it to end with us absorbing her soul like we did to Ardbert. I don't want to set precedent for it being some kind of plot that we'll find all our shards and just happen to be there when they conveniently die.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

I thought Zero was a woman. Their looks, personality, and English voice acting all are in accord with the traits of strong woman characters shown throughout FFXIV. In fact, I wondered if Zero was meant to be the WoL's new partner now the Scions of the 7th Dawn are supposedly disbanded.

((I haven't done the full post EW MSQ quest line yet. I've been busy leveling Reaper specifically to go through the Void World as one.))

You all have me curious how Zero sounds in Japanese.

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Zero IS a woman.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

When people said she had a deep voice I guess I was expecting a bit more.
Like, it is deep, but to me that's a distinctly feminine voice, not particularly androgynous.

Idk, maybe it's a personal or cultural thing.

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Same. I would say it is pretty close on the femininity meter as her English VA. Both are not necessarily deep, but rather monotonous due to her personality.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

If I recall correctly, Zero uses the default 1.0 female Midlander body like how Ardbert uses the default male Midlander body. This is important because it led to speculation that Zero was the unaccounted for-missing Azem soul on the 13th and why Zeno specifically chooses Zero to be his Avatar.

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I believe that would operate under the assumption that all of Azem's shards are Midlanders. While I think that is a safe assumption, Zenos choosing/taking Zero as his avatar because she's Azem's shard would lead to a ton of questions. That is a possible red herring to keep us distracted from whom is actually the shard. Quite a few people feel that Golbez is actually Azem's shard on the 13th.

If absorption is what is to become of the 13th shard, I suppose Zero would make a lot of sense considering she is getting equal treatment in terms of character development as Ardbert. And man, Ardbert got a ton of it.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Some people see a man barely being able to contain his rage over the abduction of his sister and all they can focus on is his face, so superficial tsk tsk.

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I think another thing being forgotten by some earlier posts is that he's an automaton. He's a grown up version of his kid automaton made by people who love him and consider him a little brother. If he doesn't look quite like other Au Ra men, then that makes sense. He's an idealized version.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

When a male is referred to as pretty, it suggests that his appearance is more feminine..

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In my experience, this is more used to describe an attractive, well dressed/groomed/clean cut guy than a feminine guy. Like, adult Zac Efron is often an example of this.

Neither of it shows any ticks here... the new girl... well she is acting like Seven of Nine from Startrek Voyager, but definetely not her.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

In my experience, this is more used to describe an attractive, well dressed/groomed/clean cut guy than a feminine guy. Like, adult Zac Efron is often an example of this.

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There is a difference between being a dapper male, and a self-absorbed male who worries too much about his appearance. The latter is what pretty boys do, and sadly most of them do it thinking it will attract the opposite sex; or rather, a feminine partner because they've been erroneously taught to think this is what women want. Problem with that is femininity attracts masculinity, and vice versa. This is how the universe works. A dapper male is different. While they are attractive, well-dressed and groomed, they still exude a masculine energy. Those are the Bradly Coopers, Henry Cavills, and Jon Hams of the world. "Pretty" is not how I would describe any of them. Dapper, masculine, manly, handsome are words I would use.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

There is a difference between being a dapper male, and a self-absorbed male who worries too much about his appearance. The latter is what pretty boys do, and sadly most of them do it thinking it will attract the opposite sex; or rather, a feminine partner because they've been erroneously taught to think this is what women want. Problem with that is femininity attracts masculinity, and vice versa. This is how the universe works. A dapper male is different. While they are attractive, well-dressed and groomed, they still exude a masculine energy. Those are the Bradly Coopers, Henry Cavills, and Jon Hams of the world. "Pretty" is not how I would describe any of them. Dapper, masculine, manly, handsome are words I would use.

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I can see that. I just think in my personal experience "dapper" is more something that would be used for older men, and "pretty" (whether making fun of a certain type of guy, or as a compliment) were maybe more younger men.

This also made me chuckle, written by a woman:

How can I be a pretty boy? 7 Simple Tricks That Can Make Any Man Look More Handsome & Attractive, Instantly

Trim Your Beard, Hair & Nails Regularly. ...
Supersize Your Sunglasses. ...
Get Serious About Skin Care. ...
Get Your Shirts & Suits Tailored. ...
Wear A Tie (Even When You Don't Have To) ...
Smell Nice All The Time. ...
Invest In All Things Quality & Classy.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

I'm sorry to be that person OP, but in the first few moments of meeting Zero I was definitely unsure if she's male or female. Her JP voice is super deep as well, so I thought I was looking at a younger, edgy boy.

Literally, here's my first reaction about her with a friend who really likes her.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...20-0129542.png

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I thought Zero was a young, like 19 years old, guy. It never occurred to me Zero could be a girl. I also thought Zero was a guys name. It’s open to interpretation by the person playing, which isn’t a bad thing. :)

@OP even bad guy Zenos had softer features despite having ridiculously oversized armor and having that dominant aggressive male type personality. I just think it’s the aesthetic of the game. Hien in Stormblood was pretty masculine to me. I guess maybe that’s the look you want?

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Originally Posted by hagare

have you seen the new arc's characters? xD

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I know it got announced but I haven't really had a chance to look into it. Got some other manga I'm keeping track of atm.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I can see that. I just think in my personal experience "dapper" is more something that would be used for older men, and "pretty" (whether making fun of a certain type of guy, or as a compliment) were maybe more younger men.

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That's fair, and I would agree. However, it's when males are older that they truly do become men. It's not always the case, but for most it really does take quite a bit of time for a male to become distinguished, mature, hardened, and to truly get past the "boy phase". These days, most males don't get there until their 40's so I can see where you are coming from. Pretty boys can and will garner some success with females, but their antics do not command respect so rarely are they taken seriously.

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This also made me chuckle, written by a woman:

How can I be a pretty boy? 7 Simple Tricks That Can Make Any Man Look More Handsome & Attractive, Instantly

Trim Your Beard, Hair & Nails Regularly. ...
Supersize Your Sunglasses. ...
Get Serious About Skin Care. ...
Get Your Shirts & Suits Tailored. ...
Wear A Tie (Even When You Don't Have To) ...
Smell Nice All The Time. ...
Invest In All Things Quality & Classy.

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That got a chuckle out of me as well. That's the kind of horse**** guys will listen to thinking it works. While some stuff still applies, this has more to do with just keeping yourself kempt. It's still important to be clean and neat, but the men I've always been around didn't need any longer than 15 minutes and an occasional haircut to do this.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDaYLxoJHBQ

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Thank you!

Even in Japanese, I'm hearing a woman's voice, not the voice of an androgynous male or non-binary individual.

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Originally Posted by Tehmon

Zero IS a woman.

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Yeah, that's still my take. But, it doesn't bother me that others see Zero as a male or anything else, really.

If that's the dev's intent, all power to them. They succeeded.

:)

I know Sunday is jokingly referring to WoW troll forum day, is it the same here or coincidence it was on same day

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

I know Sunday is jokingly referring to WoW troll forum day, is it the same here or coincidence it was on same day

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Everyday is troll day here, depending on which trolls have come back from their two-week vacations lately. The mods never step in unless enough people report something, so we're pretty much on our own.

Breaking news: having aesthetic preferences makes you a bad person.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

We had Hien. I think he was supposed to fill that role for a bit.

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Hien is proof that they are capable of designing attractive masculine men, aka "handsome" but I guess whoever made him got sent off to design the male characters in XVI and in their place we got the people who decided that male Viera have to be shorter and girlier than their female counterparts. They've barely designed any masculine characters since, with Hythlodaeus being similarly effeminate and then Vrtra, Zero, etc. The balance is clearly stacked in favor of those types and hardly any of the opposite.

Again though, FFXVI doesn't seem to suffer much from that by giving out something for everyone. You want a pretty boy? There's Dion. You want your classic hero type? There's Clive. You want your strong man? There's Hugo. You want your rugged older types? Cid and Barnabas. Everyone wins. All they'd need to do is produce *1* male character design for a party member that doesn't suffer from whatever is going on with Zero or Vrtra to make the current party we're stuck with less...ridiculous.

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/w...2/10/ffxvi.jpg

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Breaking news: having aesthetic preferences makes you a bad person.

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Having a conflicting opinion to OP is also a Bad-Bad

Its kinda weird XD

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Breaking news: having aesthetic preferences makes you a bad person.

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I... do not think... anyone is saying that?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/w...2/10/ffxvi.jpg

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Meanwhile, someone needs to help that poor woman in the white, because they forgot to give her a nose.

for the most part, I dont care what a video game character looks like, if they are male female or aardvark, or the ever popular apache attack helicopter. they are video game characters, not interested in dating them. they are like characters in a book, difference is I can interact with them.

I dont mind Zero, thought their look was okay, and figured that the character was female. androgenous maybe, but if thats their thing, more power to them. its like losing your mind over Hermione being with Ron.. like... so what? could care less what the guys and girls look like, except for a couple of characters.. they arent trying to hit me up for a date....

I agree that the cast should have more people that aren't white-haired. If anything, even people that aren't humanesque races, similar to ff9, but this whole post reeks of small dick energy.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I dont mind Zero, thought their look was okay, and figured that the character was female. androgenous maybe, but if thats their thing, more power to them.

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Why are you shifting to using "they"? Zero is referred to as "she" in English, whatever her original design concept stated.

The English script has no qualms about nonbinary characters, even prominent supporting ones like Feo Ul and Beq Lugg, so if they wanted Zero to use "they" pronouns then it probably would have happened.

https://i.ibb.co/Y71bHcy/Renalt-deordorant.jpg

Highlander face pick struggles:

https://imgs.search.brave.com/BKY23t...4Mjk1/MTUuanBn

or

https://imgs.search.brave.com/UO0fK8...lk/d2FyZC5wbmc

Eh? Handsome is supposed to be attractive? I thought it was another way to say someone has a very punchable face... >.>

Anyone else getting a little bit of a Titanman feel from this? "Only manly rugged bearded scarred men are handsome and attractive" really?

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Eh? Handsome is supposed to be attractive? I thought it was another way to say someone has a very punchable face... >.>

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I have a very punchable face.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I have a very punchable face.

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I'm not the one who said it but uh...

https://media.tenor.com/4apvPw_vNj4A...emet-selch.gif

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I'm not the one who said it but uh...

https://media.tenor.com/4apvPw_vNj4A...emet-selch.gif

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You know you wanna punch my face with your face. Admit it. Or play hard to get.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

You know you wanna punch my face with

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Where I come from, I am known as the Polish Knee.
Are you game for some hot knee-on-face action? Because I feel like we could make it into the explosively sensual experience that eRPers could only dream about having.

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

Where I come from, I am known as the Polish Knee.
Are you game for some hot knee-on-face action? Because I feel like we could make it into the explosively sensual experience that eRPers could only dream about having.

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If I don't lose any teeth from it...you never loved me. Not for real anyway.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

If I don't lose any teeth from it...you never loved me. Not for real anyway.

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https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/...1000_QL80_.jpg

Renalt is starting to sound like this guy.
And I think thats more mainly then any "Handsome" Guy OP can throw at us.

Haha, I'm not sure if Zero could ever be mistaken for a male or even a genderless person. She's a woman no doubt.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

"Only manly rugged bearded scarred men are handsome and attractive" really?

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Opposed to what? With that many adjectives, you're not leaving much else. Unless you find boyish/girly men attractive?

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

for the most part, I dont care what a video game character looks like, if they are male female or aardvark, or the ever popular apache attack helicopter. they are video game characters, not interested in dating them. they are like characters in a book, difference is I can interact with them.

I dont mind Zero, thought their look was okay, and figured that the character was female. androgenous maybe, but if thats their thing, more power to them. its like losing your mind over Hermione being with Ron.. like... so what? could care less what the guys and girls look like, except for a couple of characters.. they arent trying to hit me up for a date....

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Being attracted to fictional characters is pretty normal, bub. It's actually kind of weird you're so ranty about it.

https://i.imgur.com/hd73rkG.gif

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Opposed to what? With that many adjectives, you're not leaving much else. Unless you find boyish/girly men attractive?

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I mean, it takes all kinds.
Your standards are not everyone's standards.
Whatever floats your boat and all that ya know.

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Originally Posted by hagare

I mean, it takes all kinds.
Your standards are not everyone's standards.
Whatever floats your boat and all that ya know.

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What standards? I haven't mentioned what my standards are even once. The closest would be I don't find boyish/feminine men attractive, but that has more to do with me being an adult. Well past giddy girlish crushes. My views in this thread have been masculine vs feminine men. If a poster is whining that someone's views are only bearded, scarred, rugged, manly men are attractive; I'm over here thinking, "Of course they are. That's a effin man!" It's not those things specifically, it's that those characteristics exude masculinity; and if you're feminine, you are sure as hell going to be attracted to that. These posters are basically trying to say that masculinity isn't attractive, and I'm saying, "BS".

Now if you want to argue that masculinity isn't the only thing that makes a male attractive, that's fine. There just isn't much else to be attracted to unless he has boyish and/or feminine characteristics. In which case, you do you bud.

https://i.imgur.com/nycRlDn.png

Everyone keeps picking either pretty boys or rugged men, but I'm over here thinking, "¿Por qué no los dos?"