Please add loot griefing to "Prohibited Activities"

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Originally Posted by jimmybe29

Exactly this, i'll add the reasons as to why I don't want to go in a static :
Needing a schedule, having to talk to other people and interact with them, organize things, voice chat etc... I don't want any of this except for ultimate content when I go for HC prog and World Race.
I like to just hop on the game join a pf and vibe on the fight with music on whenever I feel like it;

Sure i'd get BiS faster by being in a static, but I prefer having rng loot than feeling forced to play and comply to a schedule, it's just not my cup of tea.
Party finder is used by a lot of players for a reason, not everyone wants to go for a static. Punish griefing or change the loot system.

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So you choose to not act in your own self interest. Then you don't get to complain when seeing the outcome of your choices

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Originally Posted by FireMage

So you choose to not act in your own self interest. Then you don't get to complain when seeing the outcome of your choices

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Toxic player defending toxicity in a video game, how original. Blame the victim not the abuser, right?

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Originally Posted by jimmybe29

Hey, so this is a suggestion/complaint thread because of something that happened yesterday in party finder and it's not the first time i've seen it happen.

Basically yesterday evening I was doing P8S (usual weekly 2 chests) and the random weapon that dropped was GNB, we had a GNB is our party who already had the 635 weapon. Therefore he couldn't roll on it so I tried rolling, so did other players in the party.

The GNB then proceeded to swap his weapon to another, delete his 635 weapon so he could roll "Need" on the savage weapon and grief the 7 players who tried to roll for it.

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The problem, with everything like this situation, is proving he did it with evidence to back it up.

Because the FFXIV devs don't allow screenshots or video.

None of us were there to see if they actually deleted it, desynthed it, or whatever so it's just your word.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The problem, with everything like this situation, is proving he did it with evidence to back it up.

Because the FFXIV devs don't allow screenshots or video.

None of us were there to see if they actually deleted it, desynthed it, or whatever so it's just your word.

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GMs have logs of items you delete and receive, that plus the chat logs, so they know if someone did it or not.
If you see someone doing it, you can report that player for it and GMs hopefully will take a look and see it happened.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

None of us were there to see if they actually deleted it, desynthed it, or whatever so it's just your word.

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I obviously cannot give full proof on the forums without leaking the player's name and getting banned, but if you search for yourself using Page 2 screenshots, or my excel sheets from my name, or on twitter (there was a thread made by another player from the group) you'll have all the proof you need.
(also, you cannot desynth P8S weapon, only delete)

If it did happen' or not is not the point and I don't care if you believe me or not, people have done this griefing tactic and can do it.
I want it to be fixed or specified as a griefing/punishable offense in prohibited activities, end of story.

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Originally Posted by jimmybe29

Toxic player defending toxicity in a video game, how original. Blame the victim not the abuser, right?

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I mean you put yourself in the position. Also you have no proof any of this ever even occured

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Originally Posted by FireMage

I mean you put yourself in the position. Also you have no proof any of this ever even occured

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I didn't put myself in any position, the game has a flaw in the loot system that can be fixed by either making changes to it or making it clear it's a punishable offense to intentionally grief players.
Reminder : it's a suggestion thread to fix said issue

Also there is proof, you just didn't bother to read the thread since you came here just to be obnoxious

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Originally Posted by jimmybe29

I didn't put myself in any position, the game has a flaw in the loot system that can be fixed by either making changes to it or making it clear it's a punishable offense to intentionally grief players.
Reminder : it's a suggestion thread to fix said issue

Also there is proof, you just didn't bother to read the thread since you came here just to be obnoxious

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Save your breath. He exists to fight with people. Trust me, you got better things to do.

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Originally Posted by jimmybe29

I didn't put myself in any position, the game has a flaw in the loot system that can be fixed by either making changes to it or making it clear it's a punishable offense to intentionally grief players.
Reminder : it's a suggestion thread to fix said issue

Also there is proof, you just didn't bother to read the thread since you came here just to be obnoxious

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A bunch of censoring proves nothing. Uncensor and prove it or you have no ground to stand on. Hop to

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Save your breath. He exists to fight with people.

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Thanks, i'm just glad not be in his shoes, must be sad life to live to spend so much time being like this on the internet

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Originally Posted by FireMage

A bunch of censoring proves nothing. Uncensor and prove it or you have no ground to stand on. Hop to

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Trying to trap people into bans now, aye? That's a new one for you I think.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Trying to trap people into bans now, aye? That's a new one for you I think.

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Hey, don't make claims that can't be proven. That simple. Not my fault TC won't fulfill their burden of proof

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Originally Posted by jimmybe29

Thanks, i'm just glad not be in his shoes, must be sad life to live to spend so much time being like this on the internet

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Yeah I wouldn't do anything he says to do and take his words wjth a grain of salt. He's got a reputation on here amongst the regulars for a reason.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Hey, don't make claims that can't be proven. That simple. Not my fault TC won't fulfill their burden of proof

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I think I heard something..nah never mind. Just the wind.

Have a good day thread o/

OP, sorry you had that.

For better or (I’m sure you will feel) for worse, this is working as intended. He has every right to do what he did, even though it was an Uber dick move.

Lesson learned, next time make a group with greed only.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

The irony is that by lying about me you commit the same fallacy you accuse me of. And people choose to not make their schedules unreliable, and a choice is...

(This is where you look up synonyms and finish the sentence)

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Lying about you? What a laugh, do you think all those posts where people call you out for being inflammatory just don't exist? And as you like to so often remind people, your post history is quite visible for anyone to see.

And people "choose" to not make their schedules unreliable? Again, what a laugh. I guess those people who have to have unreliable schedules due to work are just dirt that don't get to have nice things, or should put a freaking video game over their job.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Yeah I wouldn't do anything he says to do and take his words wjth a grain of salt. He's got a reputation on here amongst the regulars for a reason.

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But according to his response to me that reputation is a lie and doesn't exist!

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Lying about you? What a laugh, do you think all those posts where people call you out for being inflammatory just don't exist?

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I'm not inflammatory, I'm honest

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And people "choose" to not make their schedules unreliable? Again, what a laugh. I guess those people who have to have unreliable schedules due to work are just dirt that don't get to have nice things, or should put a freaking video game over their job.

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Always going to have some block of time free

Yeah talking to you is a waste of anyone's time. Have fun with your deluded sense of reputation.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Yeah talking to you is a waste of anyone's time. Have fun with your deluded sense of reputation.

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Combat my points instead of asserting with no evidence at any time

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Originally Posted by Kansene

I don't believe that for a second you silly g-

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To the shadow realm with you

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Can someone enlighten me on how the GNB benefits from this at all. I get the grieving of other players, and understand that it can be done just to be an a-hole, but I am curious if there is any technical benefit to doing this.

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The only technical benefit I can think of ... if his used gunblade had durability below 100%, he saved some tiny amount of repair-cost gil (or dark matter if he has the crafting levels to repair himself) by deleting it and getting the 100% durability fresh gunblade.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

I'm not inflammatory, I'm honest



Always going to have some block of time free

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You CAN be inflammatory and honest you know, there is that concept.

Except also you're not really being honest at all. You're actually just being inflammatory for the sake of it. If you want to claim that you're being "honest", be blunt instead and say you came in here to start shit lmao.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

OP, sorry you had that.

For better or (I’m sure you will feel) for worse, this is working as intended. He has every right to do what he did, even though it was an Uber dick move.

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I don't think being able to grief other players is "working as intended", he shouldn't have the "right" or possibility to do it, since it's intentional griefing/malicious intent by circumventing the loot system who's supposed to stop you from rolling an already possessed piece of equipment, hence the whole purpose of this thread.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Lesson learned, next time make a group with greed only.

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lmao this is one of the opinions that come from players that obviously do not touch party finder or savage content, as much as I appreciate the intent of trying to give advice or ""solutions""
You CANNOT make a party finder with "greed only" and this tactic means everyone using party finder for 4th boss of a tier can be griefed at any time

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Originally Posted by kaynide

OP, sorry you had that.

For better or (I’m sure you will feel) for worse, this is working as intended. He has every right to do what he did, even though it was an Uber dick move.

Lesson learned, next time make a group with greed only.

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Yet another person who hasn’t read the TOS. No he doesn’t have a right to do this. Specifically because he admitted in game he did it to take it from someone else. Paragraph one of the TOS. Read it. SE at their SOLE discretion can punish you for ANY action that worsens the gameplay of another player.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Lying about you? What a laugh, do you think all those posts where people call you out for being inflammatory just don't exist? And as you like to so often remind people, your post history is quite visible for anyone to see.

And people "choose" to not make their schedules unreliable? Again, what a laugh. I guess those people who have to have unreliable schedules due to work are just dirt that don't get to have nice things, or should put a freaking video game over their job.

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PLEASE stop replying to him. All you’re doing is scratching that itch for attention at any cost he has.

Completely ignore him. Report anything he says that’s against the rules, and pretend he’s not there. THAT is how you deal with trolls. Every reply feeds him and he will just glut on it.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Lying about you? What a laugh, do you think all those posts where people call you out for being inflammatory just don't exist? And as you like to so often remind people, your post history is quite visible for anyone to see.

And people "choose" to not make their schedules unreliable? Again, what a laugh. I guess those people who have to have unreliable schedules due to work are just dirt that don't get to have nice things, or should put a freaking video game over their job.

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Zebra, just ignore him. Let him talk to the void, he'll get tired eventually. Don't waste your post limit banging your head against a wall, no one's going to win. You can't win against trolls.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

OP, sorry you had that.

For better or (I’m sure you will feel) for worse, this is working as intended. He has every right to do what he did, even though it was an Uber dick move.

Lesson learned, next time make a group with greed only.

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There's a lot of stuff that is in-game but you still cannot do. Technically speaking you can spam the squat emote and teabag people. You can go completely naked and post a lewd picture as your characte profile. Guess what happens when people report it.

Stuff may work as intended and still be griefing. Griefing works almost entirely with in-game methods to undermine other people's experience. He has no right to do that.

Shocking live footage of Notorious Rabble Rouser FireMage leaving a thread.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Zebra, just ignore him. Let him talk to the void, he'll get tired eventually. Don't waste your post limit banging your head against a wall, no one's going to win. You can't win against trolls.

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Trust me, I know. I'm usually one of the first to tell people to ignore trolls. Just a slip of judgement.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Shocking live footage of Notorious Rabble Rouser FireMage leaving a thread.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PhonyOffbe...restricted.gif

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I wouldn't even give him that much credit. Most threads try to continue despite him.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Hey, don't make claims that can't be proven. That simple. Not my fault TC won't fulfill their burden of proof

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Playing Devil’s Advocate is a waste. You know the OP can’t show the evidence in these particular forums because of the rules they agreed to. Same as you. But you also refuse to acknowledge the evidence the OP posted on Page 2 of this thread.

What you are asking them to do now is emtrapment. Nothing else. As well as it isn’t the OP’s goal to sway you or anyone else into believing A or B happened. Sharing their experience was to bring up the feedback and suggestion about how the looting went down.

For us who have played long, we know what can or cannot be deleted. What can or cannot be desynthed. If you also have enough things cchecked in your windows, you can see who looted what as well as things being discarded or desynthed (I could be wrong as I write this not on my pc).

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Just going to point out your screenshot has mods in it, which is bannable. Should you get reported too for violating the TOS?

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Lol like throwing rocks in a glass house.

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Playing Devil’s Advocate is a waste. You know the OP can’t show the evidence in these particular forums because of the rules they agreed to.

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Yes they can, when making accusations the burden is on the accuser to provide FULL uncensored evidence. Fulfilling burden of proof is worth breaking the "rules"

Hence Why I will NEVER do savage PF. Everyone always tell me to put one up and do it and this reason here is why I don't. Yes my schedule is hard and seems most people play late at night compared to my schedule so it's harder. But I won't put myself through this to not even be guaranteed a piece of loot amongst 7 other randos

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

Hence Why I will NEVER do savage PF. Everyone always tell me to put one up and do it and this reason here is why I don't. Yes my schedule is hard and seems most people play late at night compared to my schedule so it's harder. But I won't put myself through this to not even be guaranteed a piece of loot amongst 7 other randos

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Uhh you realize people like this are EXTREMELY rare right? Besides even in a static you aren’t guaranteed anything unless you do 8 clears and even that’s iffy at best. (Ignoring books)

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

Hence Why I will NEVER do savage PF. Everyone always tell me to put one up and do it and this reason here is why I don't. Yes my schedule is hard and seems most people play late at night compared to my schedule so it's harder. But I won't put myself through this to not even be guaranteed a piece of loot amongst 7 other randos

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Savage PF is pretty rough, the first tier I tried, Asphodelos, I went until the full pity timer on books for floors 1 + 2 with 0 drops before I decided that was enough and stopped. The loot system really is designed for lootmaster or statics only

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Savage PF is pretty rough, the first tier I tried, Asphodelos, I went until the full pity timer on books for floors 1 + 2 with 0 drops before I decided that was enough and stopped. The loot system really is designed for lootmaster or statics only

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Honestly, I feared it would turn out that way (which is why E1S and a small practice dip into E5S will probably have been my swan song from Savage, at least as current-tier content, I will probably go back to the old stuff for mounts, glam, and fun eventually) the moment I saw the first tier of Eden and how the loot system had been changed.

In Stormblood, loot was very random (except for the weapon coffers from the final fights) and so things had to be balanced accordingly, to account for the fact that even for statics, the amount of actually usable loot was completely up to luck (I still remember the one time I did a weekly PF of O5S where our SAM had been running it weekly for three months straight and had not seen even a single Slaying accessory drop. Spoiler alert, no it did not drop that time, either). The result was that DPS checks were tight enough that you felt pressure but not so tight as to feel like Savage was limited to the elite.

Along came Shadowbringers and the first thing I noticed were the coffers. Which are one of those things that seem like a strict QoL improvement, but actually often have the very opposite effect (when I think of things like this, I think I'm starting to understand what Ion Hazzikostas really was trying to allude to with his oft-memed "you think you do, but you don't" line, honestly).

On the good side, it meant empty weeks were mainly a thing of the past (i.e., when the group receives drops that are not useful to the main class of any member).

But it also glaringly meant that it was now possible to funnel loot a la WoW, focusing first on DPS members so that the group DPS could be raised for steadily faster kills. And oh, was there motivation for faster kills (because nobody wanted to deal with the sheer obnoxiousness that was Cycles or Black Smokers any longer than necessary - another change from Stormblood, where - probably in response to the "skip soar or disband" attitude - it was normal for all major mechanics to be introduced by halfway or so through the timer, blunting the value of speed kills).

So people funneled loot and got gud, and it was clear the DPS checks had to be looked at through that light.

And we got things like E8S and P8S. And PF is now noticeably feeling the pain, making it increasingly less worth raiding current content without some form of organized gear progression ...

what a goober he wasted 2 materia to clown you guys

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

what a goober he wasted 2 materia to clown you guys

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Nah what a true gamer, well worth it. I fail to see the problem with what they did.

Demonic flex tbh.

I want to laugh but I know for a fact I'd be ready to choke someone out if it happened to me.

I'll only say this once...

WHO. NINJA'D. MY. F_____G. CLOUDSONG?!

that person sounds like me months ago when i "need" the item that i dont really need but my friend told me to give the weapon to his friend before the fight

and the result, a group of players started talking sh*t about me to other raiders in my data center