Can we get a 'Role Sprout' icon?

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

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More people seem to like your idea than not. I personally think it's a great thing.

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Originally Posted by Tiramu

He's FireMage, it took me a while to twig on, but he's pretty famous on certain gaming forums. Acting like someone shat on his weetabix and trying to get under peoples skin is kinda his thing. He knows what he is doing.

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Ahh that explains a lot, and does match up. TY for the heads up Tiru :)

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Not hard to not be a bad. Or a troll

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No, it's not. Just look at all of your posts. They are the epitome of contribution.

Let's get a handholding icon!

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

Let's get a handholding icon!

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LEWDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can it also come with a setting to never be matched with aforementioned "role sprouts". I really can't be bothered with someone wetting their pants because they had to press a mitigation button.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Can we get people to read tooltips instead?

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When i unlocked sage/reaper i spent 20 minutes on a training dummy learning what abilities do
Idk why people go into roulettes completely blind

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

When i unlocked sage/reaper i spent 20 minutes on a training dummy learning what abilities do
Idk why people go into roulettes completely blind

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Training dummies dont teach tanks to mitigate or how to pull.

They are also pretty useless for black mages, where learning how to be casting through mechanics, and how to avoid mechanics while casting, is the bane of BLM.

This kinda stuff is also true for any jobs.

Also, before training dummies are useful at all, you need to know your rotations. Most people who know their rotations learn them outside of the game.

The reason a lot of players go into roulettes blind is because the game does not teach them.

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Originally Posted by Tiramu

Training dummies dont teach tanks to mitigate or how to pull.

They are also pretty useless for black mages, where learning how to be casting through mechanics, and how to avoid mechanics while casting, is the bane of BLM.

This kinda stuff is also true for any jobs.

Also, before training dummies are useful at all, you need to know your rotations. Most people who know their rotations learn them outside of the game.

The reason a lot of players go into roulettes blind is because the game does not teach them.

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It's not game's responsibility to teach rotations

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Originally Posted by FireMage

It's not game's responsibility to teach rotations

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You cant have it both ways, complaining endlessly about bad players, but also resisting the game teaching players better.

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Originally Posted by Tiramu

You cant have it both ways, complaining endlessly about bad players, but also resisting the game teaching players better.

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The game gives all the info it needs to. Name other games that tell you things beyond the basics, go on

Sounds good, I'd be okay with a "Role Sprout" icon. I bet there are a ton of players who played nothing but one job the entire time they blazed through MSQ all the way to Endwalker and still don't understand half the game. And that's not even including people who bought story/job skips.

Actually, I wouldn't mind having a Role Spout icon that kicked back in if I haven't played a given role in a while. I try and make myself tank sometimes, but I've only ever done normal 4-player dungeons, and it's been a bit since I did even that. I've kinda been avoiding going back to tanking, to be honest. I probably deserve a little broken shield icon before my name the next time I pop into somebody's roulette on my paladin, if only as a warning to my party members to "prepare for a bad time" lol.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

It's not game's responsibility to teach rotations

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Rotations tend not to be the issue. It is using the skills in a live environment.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

Rotations tend not to be the issue. It is using the skills in a live environment.

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Git gud 5head

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Originally Posted by FireMage

The game gives all the info it needs to. Name other games that tell you things beyond the basics, go on

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Age of Empires 2 has advanced tutorials for some of the more advanced concepts in the game.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Git gud 5head

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And you call me a troll...

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Age of Empires 2 has advanced tutorials for some of the more advanced concepts in the game.

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World of Warcraft even had an advanced DPS/Healing/Tank tutorial once you hit max level too. (in MOP) and you couldn't even enter a heroic unless you had completed it.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Can we get people to read tooltips instead?

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I tried and i almost had an aneurysm when I noticed spelling errors on some of ninjas abilities

There should be an icon that lets my party know that I constantly fail mechanics. That way the healers can have Rescue ready to go when I'm about to get pancaked.

I do like the idea. But since SE never reads these forums anyway, you can circumvent the lack of this thing by just letting the party know that you're new to your job at the beginning of a dungeon.

I think we should just be nice and understanding to everyone regardless of whether they are a sprout or not. That way we don't need to identify people to be nice to with an icon.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

There should be an icon that lets my party know that I constantly fail mechanics. That way the healers can have Rescue ready to go when I'm about to get pancaked.

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In my case, that wouldn't work. We'd both end up pancaked. At least it would be funny.

how about force player that just unlock the role for the first time (like tank or healer) to do hall of the novice?

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Originally Posted by kevin_satron

how about force player that just unlock the role for the first time (like tank or healer) to do hall of the novice?

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It's oft been suggested that we need more than the level 15 "Hall of the Novice" - something more intensive and with some useful information. "Hall of the Advanced"