The Women FFXIV Needs

Who is asking for "ugly, unattractive" females? I didn't see anyone ask for such a thing in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

There's no need for ugly females, we already have femroes and highlanders nobody plays, it's just a vocal minority, listening to them would be a waste of time and resources, like femhroths are going to be if they don't make them more like mithras than malehroths.

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Making them miqo'te with a coat of fur would indeed be the lamest possible version of female Hrothgar they could possibly make. What a joke.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Who is asking for "ugly, unattractive" females? I didn't see anyone ask for such a thing in this thread.

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They don't like it, and more importantly, don't feel quivering in their loins when they think about it = "people are asking for ugly things! Gosh darn minorities!!!" *shakes the dild-* Uh, i mean *shakes the cane*.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

Making them miqo'te with a coat of fur would indeed be the lamest possible version of female Hrothgar they could possibly make. What a joke.

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Oh c'mon, that'll never happen. We all know they'll be Roes with cat masks just like the males.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Oh c'mon, that'll never happen. We all know they'll be Roes with cat masks just like the males.

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Whatever they'll be, they'll most like be a disappointment. Certainly to someone anyway. I'm hoping it'll be for someone other than me. Shockin!

I hope wit the graphic upgrade they will do some additions to basic models, faces, and so on.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

There's no need for ugly females, we already have femroes and highlanders nobody plays, it's just a vocal minority, listening to them would be a waste of time and resources, like femhroths are going to be if they don't make them more like mithras than malehroths.
All the females need in this game are better, longer haircuts and less gender neutral clothing on tanks and melee dps, only casting, healing, and some times ranged are currently allowed to get cute stuffs.

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Nobody plays Highlanders and Femroes? And they're considered ugly?

I hope this is a meme post cause if not...yikes.

They're amongst the least played race and gender combinations in the game last I checked. Female roegadyn subscribe to particularly niche aesthetics though I've seen a few genuinely good looking female highlanders around.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

They're amongst the least played race and gender combinations in the game last I checked. Female roegadyn subscribe to particularly niche aesthetics though I've seen a few genuinely good looking female highlanders around.

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Thats a far cry from Noone playing them though (I don't say that due to being one myself). Plenty play them and the ones that do seem to prefer a stronger looking character. Reason you see more Miqos, Viera and Au'ra is because folks like their cutesy waifus (nothing wrong with that mind you).

Idk I don't find any playable race to be ugly. Ik for a fact though I'd rather see a femroe around more than Miqo in 2B bottoms #127 lol

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Thats a far cry from Noone playing them though (I don't say that due to being one myself). Plenty play them and the ones that do seem to prefer a stronger looking character. Reason you see more Miqos, Viera and Au'ra is because folks like their cutesy waifus (nothing wrong with that mind you).

Idk I don't find any playable race to be ugly. Ik for a fact though I'd rather see a femroe around more than Miqo in 2B bottoms #127 lol

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I love it when I run into fem roes. Their thighs are like big fluffy pillows. My alt used to be one til I fanta-ed them into my headcannon character. I really should sign onto them some time. I think they still have a 2nd Fantasia on them so if I ever want to turn them back into fem roe I can.

Scoffs because I play as a FemRoe with Face 1 (which is the rarest option used by SE for NPCs) - and purposefully sticks to aesthetics that are 'Tall Cute Magic Girl' and love her round face with soft simple features - world's tallest lala vibes. All options will have different appeal - and there is an appeal to picking out what you know is the less-common player choice.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Female roegadyn subscribe to particularly niche aesthetics

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Such as?.....
Because id love to know what these niche aesthetics are.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Such as?.....
Because id love to know what these niche aesthetics are.

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Only thing I can think of is maybe bigger statues n bulkier movement. I wouldn't call that niche myself, I'd say it appears niche when looking at what most in the game gravitate towards

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Only thing I can think of is maybe bigger statues n bulkier movement. I wouldn't call that niche myself, I'd say it appears niche when looking at what most in the game gravitate towards

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Yeah, there is no shortage of pretty and small(er?) Woman in FFXIV. So FemRoes are a pretty big outlier and Niche by comparison.
But Im curious if Theo is trying to say FemRoes dress a certain way, or is it merely that FemRoe are the Niche aesthetic. Its very vaguely and weirdly worded.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Idk I don't find any playable race to be ugly. Ik for a fact though I'd rather see a femroe around more than Miqo in 2B bottoms #127 lol

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+1, very much agree <3
Every Race is cool and pretty in its own way. But it is more interesting and special to see a FemRoe then another Miqote.. No hate...I started as one, but they are rather over saturated.

The following is my assessment of femroe.

2/4 faces I'd consider using on my female characters. While limited, they do have a few long hairstyles that are superior to what the original female models have from the ARR days.

However, due to the size of their bodies it is difficult for them to look like the other races in terms of a feminine silhouette and the way that clothes hug their bodies. Their proportions are simply too big. They don't look good in the NieR sets that I took so long to grind for so I refuse to fantasia my alts to one.

I do not believe we need to repeat this issue when it comes to female Hrothgar, when it is still possible to have a strong athletic build with a Viera body. Female models should embrace feminine characteristics and the ideal heroine fantasy. This is largely what Final Fantasy players prefer over the sort of "body type diversity" seen in games like WoW.

The body used for the Bozjan queen is an excellent choice for female Hrothgar and paired with a lion-like face and hairstyles of sufficient quality, it is possible for them to be successful at launch compared to the underwhelming reception that male Hrothgar had. It is important to compromise in this regard rather than fully embracing the nicheness of female beasts because of the target audience being Final Fantasy players whose interest trends by this point are largely predictable.

In any case, we need new female leads in the main cast. I miss Ryne, and neither Y'shtola or Alisae are all that impressive in terms of visual design. The fear of clipping must be overcome so we can have characters with Venat-length hair stay on as long term party members and their colors need to be diversified.

As far as female character creation goes I want bigger breasts, bigger butts, more thick body shapes like thicker waistlines and bigger hips/thighs, all we got is overly buff roe women or super skinny chicks.

And I'd like the option to make a female that looks like she's in her mid 30s to mid 40s, WE NEED MILFs.

As far as dudes creation stuff goes a Native American & Punk Rock style Mohawk would be cool.

I'm all for adding longer hairstyles to the game, but it is again very strange to frame a need for more interesting women with so much focus on how feminine and long haired they are.

We already have a bunch of pretty conventionally attractive women in the game. Whether Y'shtola is your cup of tea or not, she's the poster girl of the game and is apparently popular enough to justify sticking her on a bunch of merch (right down to an ungodly creepy mad expensive doll).

Like, again, I'm all for variety, but I'm super not a fan of it being pushed as a need for some notional "ideal heroine" who is... what, exactly? Pretty, skinny, and ladylike? Why? Like yes sure add some variety and new personality, but why are those traits the focus? Of all the things that could be improved or rounded out about the main and side casts, those really aren't the first things that come to mind for me. At all.

Because those are the traits that I would like to see in the women of the main cast. I want to see heroines like the ones I listed in the op, not more Moenbrydas.

Ok, fair enough. I entirely disagree but fair enough.

And yet, here I am using Face One for a FemRoe and prefers it over the other options. And while yes, there's some glam pieces that just don't seem to work (and of those, iirc the pieces I reject because of how the torso looks tend to be armor), I'm laughing that you've singled out the Nier sets when those pieces I have overused for glam even though I'm not a big Nier fan. I don't gpose often and I only remember to document new glams maybe 60% of the time, so I'm missing several examples, but I could put together a quick and ugly collage in MS Paint of uses of Nier - not so much the second tier, but I'm hopelessly addicted to the shoes. And the aesthetic is that cutesy female characters common to auri and miqo'te players - just that I want it for a tall girl (and of the many alts I've tried, the only races I haven't played and don't have an interest in playing as someone who pretty exclusively sticks to female avatars are Au'ra, Miqo'te, and Midlander.)

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I do not believe we need to repeat this issue when it comes to female Hrothgar, when it is still possible to have a strong athletic build with a Viera body. Female models should embrace feminine characteristics and the ideal heroine fantasy. This is largely what Final Fantasy players prefer over the sort of "body type diversity" seen in games like WoW.

The body used for the Bozjan queen is an excellent choice for female Hrothgar and paired with a lion-like face and hairstyles of sufficient quality, it is possible for them to be successful at launch compared to the underwhelming reception that male Hrothgar had. It is important to compromise in this regard rather than fully embracing the nicheness of female beasts because of the target audience being Final Fantasy players whose interest trends by this point are largely predictable.

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Yes we do. Because believe it or not, not every woman has the same Bodytype, not every woman in the world is some cute effeminate flower that has to look pretty in a dress.
If they used the MaleRoe body for the males, they should follow suit and use the FemRoe body for the Females. Everyone seems to have this idea that the only way Female Hrothgar will be "Successful" is if they give them another Dainty body. They can still easily make Hrothgar Females look good with the FemRoe body, and they should absolutely fully embrace the nicheness because this isn't another Human-looking Race. Be different, be unique. Even if the Roes and Hroths are the least played race, they still have a fanbase, and their design alone from the get-go is niche, so its not going to be popular anyway.

And as people like Denishia above me have proven, FemRoes can absolutely look good and cute. Just like the people who complain about the limitations of the Hrothgar, I think ya'll are more limited in imagination. Because despite how unfeminine FemRoes are, they can still look Feminine and cute and pretty. And despite limitations, there are still Badass and cool looking Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Because those are the traits that I would like to see in the women of the main cast. I want to see heroines like the ones I listed in the op, not more Moenbrydas.

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More Moenbrydas please. We need more Tough, badass woman with non-traditional Beauty, rather then more cute dainty girls.
The industry needs more of it.

The OP and those like them don't think ladies who look like Moenbrydas or the Farris of the world could ever be what some find as their ideal woman. Instead if they don't look like Jihl Nabaat or Beatrix then they're ugly or niche. They'd advocate for Mercy from Overwatch if she wasn't Blonde as that would just be adding more of what we already have even though I'm sure she'd meet the aesthetic they're wanting. It's funny that the OP basically took a femroe's body as what they want for lady Hrothgar but don't want the whole package cause then they'd be too ugly.

There are marked differences between the standard femroe body model and the one that was used for the Bozjan queen. The Bozjan queen is hopefully an unfinished female Hrothgar base that was unable to be completed in time, and I intend to spend money to play the race if that is the case. The body is up to the standards I am looking for and is likely to look good in the equipment I use.

However, I will not be willing to play the race if they look like femroes. Gear appearance on them isn't so much a creativity issue as it is inherent problems with the femroe model that I have already explained. I am of the mindset that mistakes should be corrected rather than doubled down on. The design issues that male Hrothgar suffered from should not be repeated. It is important to consider the behavior of the playerbase in this regard. Introducing an attractive, long haired playable option would make female hrothgar much beloved, and I would rather see that happen rather than having them embraced only by a select few.

I consider women like Fran and Fang tough enough to serve as frontline fighters, along with the likes of Agrias Oaks, Lightning, and Celes. These are the kinds of women that appeal to the vast majority of Final Fantasy players, and even the latest rendition of Faris is also an excellent depiction of what they like to see in their video games. I was already turned off from Horizon Zero Dawn: Forbidden West due to the protagonist's looks, it is important to portray idealistic beauty in fantasy games because that is a major draw for people. I am given to understand that many npcs in that game also focused on realism to the point of oversaturation, which I also do not think is a good idea.

Overly masculine women, as has been said by others, may also cause the issue of drawing even more attention away from the male members of the cast which have their own set of problems. None of them are really fulfil the western hero fantasy many people would like to see, and transposing aspects of that onto a woman would not solve the issue of that male archetype's absence. This at least is understood in games like FFXVI, where the protagonist is designed in an appealing manner and so are the women of the cast. It would be to FFXIV's benefit to consider doing the same.

Oh yes, let's have that Western European ideal feminine beauty body-type. Therefore I demand a Rubenesque plump body with some moderate fat rolls and a nice overall pear shape, with a bit of a double chin. And a really high forehead, as is the ideal going back all the way to the Middle Ages.

Okay, not actually joking. The body-type missing from the game for female characters is one without an hourglass waist, and my one complaint about some of the lovely FemRoe racial hairs is that the hairline starts too low for my tastes, but then because it's what I'm accustomed to and prefer, I didn't notice that Ysayle's forehead was considered abnormally large to other people. But even if the game won't give us Dulia's body-type (though that would be awesome to have that option), if the Hrothgals are less than half the body width of the Hrothgar males, it will feel like the mistake that the Roe already have. Yes, I like my Deni as she is now, but if the FemRoes were a bit wider like the Male Roes are, it would help to differentiate them from FElezen and Highlander Ladies. (And I cannot express my JOY that Bojza gave me cast centered on FemRoes both as villain, bit part characters, and backstory, even as I knew these positions really should have been filled by Hrothgal models)

If you couldn't play Horizon because of Alloy's appearance, you might be playing videogames for the wrong reasons. (I personally thought she was pretty, but I'm also a woman so my view of what we look like isn't unrealistic) Personally I think more options are good, we have more than enough very feminine options in this game. Having one more option that looks tough wouldn't bring player numbers down and doesn't take away from the feminine ladies we already have. You also can't really compare games with zero character customization like FF16 to FF14. People can make their character look how they want in this game, my miqo is definitely not feminine and uses an aesthetic I enjoy. I'm just here to raid and look cool while doing it, I don't need to be super attracted to my character. If female hrothgar look cool I'll probably switch, we'll see how it goes.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

The following is my assessment of femroe.

2/4 faces I'd consider using on my female characters. While limited, they do have a few long hairstyles that are superior to what the original female models have from the ARR days.

However, due to the size of their bodies it is difficult for them to look like the other races in terms of a feminine silhouette and the way that clothes hug their bodies. Their proportions are simply too big. They don't look good in the NieR sets that I took so long to grind for so I refuse to fantasia my alts to one.

I do not believe we need to repeat this issue when it comes to female Hrothgar, when it is still possible to have a strong athletic build with a Viera body. Female models should embrace feminine characteristics and the ideal heroine fantasy. This is largely what Final Fantasy players prefer over the sort of "body type diversity" seen in games like WoW.

The body used for the Bozjan queen is an excellent choice for female Hrothgar and paired with a lion-like face and hairstyles of sufficient quality, it is possible for them to be successful at launch compared to the underwhelming reception that male Hrothgar had. It is important to compromise in this regard rather than fully embracing the nicheness of female beasts because of the target audience being Final Fantasy players whose interest trends by this point are largely predictable.

In any case, we need new female leads in the main cast. I miss Ryne, and neither Y'shtola or Alisae are all that impressive in terms of visual design. The fear of clipping must be overcome so we can have characters with Venat-length hair stay on as long term party members and their colors need to be diversified.

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It seems you have a very...how would I say Hollywood model outlook on what women should look like and while that not an issue, it does lead to things being very boring and very samey. I'd think femhroth following the more strong side will be much better to offset the balance of cutesy we have in the game. Will the majority gravitate towards it? No but I'd rather they stay truer to what the race is suppose to be. (No shade to Viera but Viera in xiv look like Super models compared to their XII counterparts).

All in all, less waifu bait, more WOMEN.

If we entertain the argument that SE should only cater to what people are more likely to buy or want, to the exclusion or delay of more niche options, then their first priority should be to double down on the cat boy/girl, bunny boy/girl and lala aesthetics because those are the most popular ones, and it ain't even close.

Even if we exclude the "Endgame" character numbers (which are even MORE skewed towards the aforementioned races), there are more people playing Miqote than Male Hyur, even with the hefty lead Male Hyurs have on every other race. There are 12.1 million people playing Miq, Lala and Viera. Even if we cheat and add every other race in the game combined (whether they're conventionally attractive or not), this only barely edges out those three races at 15.2 million. But again, the latter number includes buff FemRoes, along with any "effeminate" males of those races, so it's a bit of an overinflation.

If we're going with a "give the public what they want" argument, then they've very loudly spoken what that is.

(Edit: had to make a correction -- forgot to add Fem Hyurs to the numbers.)

Xena The Warrior Princess and all the ululation that comes with her kupo <3 lol

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Xena The Warrior Princess and all the ululation that comes with her kupo <3 lol

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I had to look up who that was but was pleasantly surprised by the result, I think her build strikes a good balance between feminine and rough/warriorlike and have no issues with a character of this design being in the game.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...pg_UX1000_.jpg

That's Highlander.

And as somehow who used the Fantasia on my FemRoe solely to make her taller so that she wouldn't be mistaken as a Highlander - and that if you ignore ears there isn't a strong body-shape difference between Female Elezen, Hyur, Viera, and the FemRoes (Queen Gunnhildr's body suspected to be the Elezen not the FemRoe model to get that slightly more cinched waist, but you'd have to really know the difference to notice) - there's nothing NEW added into the game if the Hrothgals copy the exact same body type. Having the less human/more lion-beast face does add a distinct option, but there's something deeply frustrating if only one gender option is allowed to have meaningfully distinct bodies. There won't be enough options to please everyone, but isn't it better business-sense to add more than less?

And as someone who styles their character in outfits that I personally find to be quite high-femme, I have never thought of the FemRoe as 'masculine' - and the glory of having a range of glams mean that people can dress their characters to whatever style with perceived attractiveness and gender correlation as the gear is flagged for.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I had to look up who that was but was pleasantly surprised by the result, I think her build strikes a good balance between feminine and rough/warriorlike and have no issues with a character of this design being in the game.

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Ahh the memories kupo <3 used to watch that show as a child. Lucy Lawless in those days was...kupo <3 lol

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I had to look up who that was but was pleasantly surprised by the result, I think her build strikes a good balance between feminine and rough/warriorlike and have no issues with a character of this design being in the game.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...pg_UX1000_.jpg

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Looks like a Highlander with a bit less muscle definition (and a smaller frame now that I look at it a 2nd time so thats more midlander territory) to me. What makes her look tough is her facial expression and body armor. At least to me anyway.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I had to look up who that was but was pleasantly surprised by the result, I think her build strikes a good balance between feminine and rough/warriorlike and have no issues with a character of this design being in the game.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...pg_UX1000_.jpg

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Bruh you think that's feminine and warrior like lol? She's just feminine with a cheap gladiator costume on. "Rough" where? She has makeup on, at most she has sharply defined features. This isn't to hate on her, but this isn't the representation of a rough female warrior you think it is lol. She's just as non-beefy as Yshtola and Minfilia. I think what you're looking for is body types similar to MMA women. Not too slender, not too buff, right in the middle for the most part.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/ea...a53dc308c9.jpg

Could someone tell me how to post pics?

I see so many threads, like this one, were id like to post a pic to get my thoughts fully across but either my phone or this dang message board set up on here won't give me the option.

It's easy on FB, why not here.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Looks like a Highlander with a bit less muscle definition (and a smaller frame now that I look at it a 2nd time so thats more midlander territory) to me. What makes her look tough is her facial expression and body armor. At least to me anyway.

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Exactly. And the only reason I'd say Highlander over Midlander is because Lucy Lawless is 5'10". At this point I'm expecting complaints about which nose shapes being not feminine next.

Man the OP not knowing who Xena or Lucy Lawless is makes so much sense to me. Especially on their views on what makes an attractive female. Unless they weren't into the kind of show Xena was. Course I don't think they'd like Xena if they saw the much later seasons. Anyway I'm still for more options. Especially options that allow those who would go for a facial look that's not already represented.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Bruh you think that's feminine and warrior like lol? She's just feminine with a cheap gladiator costume on. "Rough" where? She has makeup on, at most she has sharply defined features. This isn't to hate on her, but this isn't the representation of a rough female warrior you think it is lol. She's just as non-beefy as Yshtola and Minfilia. I think what you're looking for is body types similar to MMA women. Not too slender, not too buff, right in the middle for the most part.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/ea...a53dc308c9.jpg

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Kupo Xena gonna take the cake still for me...she is larger in many ways kupo <3 This lady looks just lean kupo <3

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Man the OP not knowing who Xena or Lucy Lawless is makes so much sense to me. Especially on their views on what makes an attractive female. Unless they weren't into the kind of show Xena was. Course I don't think they'd like Xena if they saw the much later seasons. Anyway I'm still for more options. Especially options that allow those who would go for a facial look that's not already represented.

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Same. And while I have no desire to play a hrothgar character that has a beast instead of human face - though am impressed with the animation range that they do have in-game - my biggest fear for the Hrothgals is somehow their heads get reduced down to something Mithra-like instead of just as cat-like as the males. That at least is a fear that is unlikely to come true, but the extremely narrow range of non-lala bodies for female characters makes me worried that the frame -and posture- for Hrothgals will be another Hyur-Viera-FemRoe-Elezen with minimal tweaks instead of something closer to the Hrothgar males.

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Kupo Xena gonna take the cake still for me...she is larger in many ways kupo <3

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Hey it's not to knock on your tastes ;P If you're into Xena, you're into Xena. I've personally never seen the show but -- to me (as a younger folk in her mid 20's), she's essentially the fantasy-lite female warrior akin to TERA or something. She looks cute with the armor on, she's an attractive person in general, but there's nothing about her that says seasoned/rough warrior.

If we're going to warrior looks, I'd much rather the body types of women like Serena Williams, Caroline Wozniaki, Allyson Felix, Merlene Ottey, ect ect ect. It's ok to have a bit of muscle on women guys lol.

If the worry was that muscled women will take away from the male cast - make them beefier then. Scions right now legit barely have any muscle, sans maybe Thancred and the Roe brothers who are basically side characters.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Hey it's not to knock on your tastes ;P If you're into Xena, you're into Xena. I've personally never seen the show but -- to me (as a younger folk in her mid 20's), she's essentially the fantasy-lite female warrior akin to TERA or something. She looks cute with the armor on, she's an attractive person in general, but there's nothing about her that says seasoned/rough warrior.

If we're going to warrior looks, I'd much rather the body types of women like Serena Williams, Caroline Wozniaki, Allyson Felix, Merlene Ottey, ect ect ect. It's ok to have a bit of muscle on women guys lol.

If the worry was that muscled women will take away from the male cast - make them beefier then. Scions right now legit barely have any muscle, sans maybe Thancred and the Roe brothers who are basically side characters.

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Its all good kupo <3 kupo love everybody and every shape and size <3 kupo ....yeah some of the dudes they got running around as npc's..you wonder if they have had a sharp sting of atrophy because some look very under fed kupo <3 ....sometimes I want to give them some kupo kupcakes

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Its all good kupo <3 kupo love everybody and every shape and size <3 kupo ....yeah some of the dudes they got running around as npc's..you wonder if they have had a sharp sting of atrophy because some look very under fed kupo <3 ....sometimes I want to give them some kupo kupcakes

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Not to knock on Estinien and people with that body type, but they do look in need of many kupo kupcakes and kupo kebabs.. maybe kupo krabmeats! The cast, sans the chubby ol' Lalas, are pretty slim in general! You can't tell me you don't look at Urianger and think, "what a graceful man".

(..I am pretty hungry at work right now..)