Hrothgar Feedback Thread

iirc they literally altered the head models
i don't remember these horns being rotated so harshly even with this haircut
the base of these horns are literally sticking out

https://i.imgur.com/kVxWc58.png

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Oh I was so disappointed when they retconned the Bozja queen as a Femhroth. You are right, that was the PERFECT opportunity for that, but ugh...they copped out

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I guess it would have been too much for them to actually make a unique model, or settle on a femhroth concept? :p

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I guess it would have been too much for them to actually make a unique model, or settle on a femhroth concept? :p

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If they did, then they wouldnt have an excuse to not have FemHroths finished.
Im not pleased with the FemRoe replacement, but I think there would be a decent uproar if they showed off a FemHroth and tell us we cant play one.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

If they did, then they wouldnt have an excuse to not have FemHroths finished.
Im not pleased with the FemRoe replacement, but I think there would be a decent uproar if they showed off a FemHroth and tell us we cant play one.

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I kind of doubt there would be much of an uproar. Female hrothgar aren't very popular, and even eventually made playable they won't be popular. Regardless, they can include a female hrothgar NPC and still not include them as playable. They were completely fine putting out the hairs they did for male hroths, and even with all the uproar that actually caused, to this day they largely seem to be ignored. So even if there was an "uproar" for there being a female hrothgar npc, and the race still being unplayable, I seriously doubt they would have any issue with it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I kind of doubt there would be much of an uproar. Female hrothgar aren't very popular, and even eventually made playable they won't be popular. Regardless, they can include a female hrothgar NPC and still not include them as playable. They were completely fine putting out the hairs they did for male hroths, and even with all the uproar that actually caused, to this day they largely seem to be ignored. So even if there was an "uproar" for there being a female hrothgar npc, and the race still being unplayable, I seriously doubt they would have any issue with it.

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They cant be popular or even show a sliver of popularity if they dont exist yet....lol
The Hrothgar fanbases is a small fanbase, but is still a fanbase that should be heard.

Also the story WOULD have been even more compelling if they did feature a FemHroth instead of a FemRoe Placeholder. Still would be annoyed an upset about not being playable, but I guess it would have been nice to see one.

Know something else? Would be nice to get a couple more Voice acted Hrothgar.
We got like, 2? And I think there was one in The Crystarium that got like 1 line. Im not remembering exactly.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Know something else? Would be nice to get a couple more Voice acted Hrothgar.
We got like, 2? And I think there was one in The Crystarium that got like 1 line. Im not remembering exactly.

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We got Runar and Magnus for sure. I can't remember if there's a Ronso that's voice acted just before we leave the Crystarium to go to the Tempest (that may be the one you're referring to?).

Apart from that, none at all. In fact, no Hrothgar whatsoever were voiced in all of Endwalker. Not a single one. Yet we see Rostik and a couple in the background in the cutscenes leading into Garlemald, but they don't speak. Even when Thancred is with them, they play virtually no role and have no lines.

To add insult to injury, the one Ronso to ever be relevant to the MSQ goes by without having his name mentioned. Not even by the one person who gives a damn about him. Y'shtola always says he's her motivation... but she never states his name. She just assumes everyone's in on it. And sure, the players may be, but when she says it to complete strangers, it gets kind of weird. Y'shtola, sweetie, you've said it about five times now. JUST SAY HIS NAME. It's not even hard, it's two syllables: RUNAR.

Same for Ryne, though that I can forgive. Isn't Magnus meant to be her father figure now? Or at least her caretaker. Yet at no point does she mention him; she mentions Gaia just fine, but the one dude with a massive depression and a drinking problem that we snapped out of and entrusted a minor to? Not a word about him.

I stated this in my opening posts, idk if they were noticeable among all the stuff I said... But I personally do think it's an issue. What's up with this silence around Hrothgar? Almost like the MSQ is too scared to acknowledge we're there, just vaguely waving our hand at us in minimal recognition :|

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

We got Runar and Magnus for sure. I can't remember if there's a Ronso that's voice acted just before we leave the Crystarium to go to the Tempest (that may be the one you're referring to?).

Apart from that, none at all. In fact, no Hrothgar whatsoever were voiced in all of Endwalker. Not a single one. Yet we see Rostik and a couple in the background in the cutscenes leading into Garlemald, but they don't speak. Even when Thancred is with them, they play virtually no role and have no lines.

To add insult to injury, the one Ronso to ever be relevant to the MSQ goes by without having his name mentioned. Not even by the one person who gives a damn about him. Y'shtola always says he's her motivation... but she never states his name. She just assumes everyone's in on it. And sure, the players may be, but when she says it to complete strangers, it gets kind of weird. Y'shtola, sweetie, you've said it about five times now. JUST SAY HIS NAME. It's not even hard, it's two syllables: RUNAR.

Same for Ryne, though that I can forgive. Isn't Magnus meant to be her father figure now? Or at least her caretaker. Yet at no point does she mention him; she mentions Gaia just fine, but the one dude with a massive depression and a drinking problem that we snapped out of and entrusted a minor to? Not a word about him.

I stated this in my opening posts, idk if they were noticeable among all the stuff I said... But I personally do think it's an issue. What's up with this silence around Hrothgar? Almost like the MSQ is too scared to acknowledge we're there, just vaguely waving our hand at us in minimal recognition :|

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Just realized I could answer my own question if I just logged in lol
There he is, his name is Bragi. Hes in the Market area of The Crystarium and I swear he had 1 voice acted line.

Hmm...Im not even sure if Magnus would have taken her in, or even if Ryne would want to be taken care of anymore. Id imagine working with the Warriors of Darkness she'd probably be taken care of by everyone while giving back in some way. That or run off and somehow take care of herself with Gaia...
But it is depressing, sure only 1 Male Viera got any character in EW, but thats still 100% more then any present Hrothgar in EW.

From what I remember Y'shtola says Runars name once or twice, but it's been a while since I played Shadowbringers, so I am not sure when exactly it was. Maybe the scene where he picked her up quite literally?

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Originally Posted by Minali

From what I remember Y'shtola says Runars name once or twice, but it's been a while since I played Shadowbringers, so I am not sure when exactly it was. Maybe the scene where he picked her up quite literally?

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Yeah. She says it in Shadowbringers. I'm talking about Endwalker. She mentions him, but she never says his name. Not even in 6.1.

"I'm here on Sharlayan, gonna see what they know about travelling through worlds freely. I have a promise to keep with someone.
Oh, Thavnair has intel on passageways to other worlds? I must know about this, someone is waiting for me, and they're really important."

Ah okay, I thought you ment the game in general. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I always find Bozja funny - the overall storyline was cut short, but that's for another topic - in regards to the implementation of hrothgar and viera. It doesn't really go too in depth on hrothgar lore, rather it's just a backdrop, but the fact that they used a female roe to represent the hrothgar queen. It would have been the perfect opportunity to reveal female hrothgar. They did male viera instead. Hilarious.

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The fact that ''Misija Votyasch'' is a hrothgar name makes it hurt more.

I never really got the sense that Magnus is Ryne's '' father '' or caretaker.
Just moreso a nice dude that offered to help if needed.

Maybe I am misremembering it tho but I don't think anyone was specifically mentioned as having adopted her so to speak.
She's probably just kinda taken care of by the people in the Crystarium in general and gets whatever she needs.
Wouldn't surprise me if Lyna is the most involved, Ryne is a fighter too might even be serving with the guard and helping them out.

You've got my support.

I started playing FFXIV when Shadowbringers was still fresh out of the oven. First I was a Lala, went Viera for awhile, and then finally decided on Hrothgar. Originally I had made a Hroth as an alt to replay ARR when it had it's rework, and in doing so I fell in love with the race. They're this great mix of goofy, adorable, and badass. Sure, the hat limitations bothered me a little (and the fact that the wearable headpieces hover instead of sit properly), but SE assured they were working on fixes and we just had to be patient. And so I waited only to be horrendously disappointed that all they could manage to make time for was deleting our ears and giving us the bare minimum.

I tried to cope for awhile with my new hair with one of the few head gears that emulate ears, but it got old really fast. Now I'm just mad. I love my Hroth and will continue to play as one regardless, but not everyone has my patience. Hrothgar (and Viera!) players deserve to have the same utility as everyone else, period. The main story of FFXIV has finished and while we're still on the path to the next expansion + getting everything else promised delivered for Endwalker (Island Sanctuary, for example), now is the time to right your wrongs and actually deliver the fixes we need and deserve.

Where is the female, that is all I am saying....

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Originally Posted by MonsutaMan

Where is the female, that is all I am saying....

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Probably next expansion, there's really no point in releasing them when there's a graphical update coming.
Better to release them along with it so they and the game are both up to date with each other.

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Originally Posted by MonsutaMan

Where is the female, that is all I am saying....

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Better no rush. Maybe they will add Femhroth without all the limitations Viera and Hrothgar have now. Lol what about the Femroth could switch to existing hairstyles without using a fantasia. OMG. Oh and another dream, maybe the existing problems would be fixed simultaneously with introducing of female Hrothgar.

Who cares about clipping....... SE neither, look at the miqo tales and the outfits.

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Originally Posted by LyraMaru

Better no rush. Maybe they will add Femhroth without all the limitations Viera and Hrothgar have now. Lol what about the Femroth could switch to existing hairstyles without using a fantasia. OMG. Oh and another dream, maybe the existing problems would be fixed simultaneously with introducing of female Hrothgar.

Who cares about clipping....... SE neither, look at the miqo tales and the outfits.

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Not even Square themselves realistically care about clipping. Look at Endsinger. Its hair clips through itself the moment the instance starts, and it keeps looping like that throughout the whole fight.

It really does feel like an excuse at this point. Which is why Yoshida (and our community representative)'s words really sounded hollow. Clipping may be an issue, but it's a 3D game with complex animations and some detail. Clipping is bound to happen. And Square is aware of it, since even the Scions clip horribly and in ugly fashion mid-cutscene. Yet when fans specifically ask for stuff, they just say "no, because clipping".

Which is why I frankly would really love if Square at least read what little feedback fans can provide. Because this has already been addressed; some people don't like clipping, but the majority is okay with it if it means the feature is available to begin with.

Anyway my feedback is that if Yoship says "no expense will be spared" in Endwalker that should include giving hrothgar access to the same things everyone else gets. All the new hairs, all the new headpieces. No ifs ands or buts. No expense spared. Practice what you preach please.

And on that note, just some things I would love love LOVE to get?
Hair, my top 3 styles
Windcaller
Rainmaker
Gyr Abania Plait

The plait may be too girly ymmv but I know alot of players want longer options, a lot of players want braids, and a lot of hrothgar want more regal maney looks and I feel like GAP on a hrothgar would hit all three areas.

And, this will likely never happen, but boy do I pray someone, mayhap the people who got viera and hrothgar working glasses/visors/circlets will see this and be like "oh sure np np"
Hats.
All neoishgardian hats.
The calfskin riders cap.
The flat cap.
I feel like the neoish and calfskin hats are the most popular headpieces in the game, neoish in general is hugely popular in glam, and the calfskin rider cap is just a sweet baseball cap with a chocobo on it.
The flat cap is getting used more and more in npc designs and I frankly think its the cutest allclasslv1 hat in the game, I think it can go well with so many looks, and its really big so hrothgars hair and ears should be comfy under it it would just be darling and I'd kill to use it in more casual glams.

I want them to fix the part of the leg that goes missing when you crouch down (Namely to craft, or pet/hug someone smaller).

I have some sort of hope they'll improve the hrothgar hairstyle situation in the next patch, either by adding ears to the "new" hairstyles or enabling the racial hairstyles to be used by any of the faces. If they do, that's great and people will have a bit less to complain about. If they don't, I'll change to roe because at this point I'm ready for a change. Either way, it can't be denied that hrothgar now have more customization than what they had before 6.1, so they are improving things albeit slowly.

I, at the very least, want hats to work. Glamour creation is one of the best ways of creative expression in the game and the fact we are limited to using so little head wear, which can make or break glams, is just frustrating. With the lack of hair options, you end up finding a lot of Hrothgar 'clones', despite our small playerbase, which can also kinda take you out of the experience. I just hope they fix the issues before it spirals into just most of the general Hroth community accepting the mindset that the devs 'hate' them, with the relationship between us Hroth player and the devs already showing large cracks.

I'm still holding my breath that they'll fix the issues some day, but even I'm 'running out of air'. Especially with 3 years of 'bandaid fixes', lack of communication, excuses and now removal of our Ears with the new hairstyles, one of the key traits of the Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Yell9w

I, at the very least, want hats to work.(...)

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Join us in our forum signature protest. A way to make clear what we want, in every post we make.
If you want to participate, just make a signature that asks for the hats, or you can copy mine if you prefer.
We want you for hats army

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Originally Posted by Yell9w

I, at the very least, want hats to work. Glamour creation is one of the best ways of creative expression in the game and the fact we are limited to using so little head wear, which can make or break glams, is just frustrating. With the lack of hair options, you end up finding a lot of Hrothgar 'clones', despite our small playerbase, which can also kinda take you out of the experience. I just hope they fix the issues before it spirals into just most of the general Hroth community accepting the mindset that the devs 'hate' them, with the relationship between us Hroth player and the devs already showing large cracks.

I'm still holding my breath that they'll fix the issues some day, but even I'm 'running out of air'. Especially with 3 years of 'bandaid fixes', lack of communication, excuses and now removal of our Ears with the new hairstyles, one of the key traits of the Hrothgar.

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I'm praying and weeping and begging the first mod "they look into" adding officially is the h/v hat mod. They know every hroth and viera player wants REAL hats not...whatever the crap the darbar healing/casting hat that vanishes if you use Runar hair. It would mean they never have to work on headgear for two races again because every hat (currently) in game works via the mod, and some work BETTER than they did officially.

And Mr. Yell9w I must say you are the games best gposer all your compositions are DIVINE gb gb

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Originally Posted by XiRon

I'm praying and weeping and begging the first mod "they look into" adding officially is the h/v hat mod. They know every hroth and viera player wants REAL hats...

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I remember the devs saying they want to look into some features add-ons add to the game that give the game QoL it kinda needs at this point.

Hoping they do look into the Viera/Hrothgar Hat m*d and see that it's popularity, despite it being against ToS, really shows how much both races communities want it. Even if people don't usually wear hats, it's nice to have the option to choose rather than having no choice at all.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

And Mr. Yell9w I must say you are the games best gposer all your compositions are DIVINE gb gb

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Haha! Thank you! <3

To keep this visible and to join the campaign for Hrotghars and Viera, we have this signature that I am (and so many others) are using. Join us if you think we deserve respect and completition as viable races for the game without relying on mods :)

And, please, try to keep this thread "alive" since the OP made perfect points and we deserve to reach the devs for them.

I fantad to au ra bc theyre able to wear hats and are the only other race thats nonhuman enough to be interesting to look at.
I really hope 7.0 gives hrothgar hats. All hats not just new crap in 7.0. Ive got hats on every glam plate now bc they add so much to this hair I really love it.
I was really hoping in 6.0 in lieu of the existence of femgar hrothgar would be getting new hats every patch in addition to hair but no. Still like 3 wearable headpieces that dont completely delete your hair or a lame circlet/pair of glasses.
I want hats at fanfest. That could be the whole dang show for all I care. No new job, no femgar designs, just 20 seconds of a hrothgar in an inn flipping thru the headpiece slot and lo-and-behold big popular hats like the neoishgard sets or the calfskin rider cap or some cowboyesque hats fitting and showing a hatted hair model.
I would love to fanta back to hroth in 6.5 when we get Styled for Hire, one of my two MOST WANTED hairs but since what I really want (windcaller) wont be til 7.0 bc god forbid hrothgar not be two patch cycles needlessly behind viera I may not. I enjoy being able to use the full breadth of the hat slot too much that a nonwindcaller hair may not make up for it.

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Originally Posted by Korrcen

I say we riot if there's not GOOD hair in 7.0.

I will say, on the hat front, I have fallen so hard for these horns I got from the Gold Saucer. I just like how they look on my Hroth. But yes, ALL hats for everyone but especially Hrothgar. This is SE's biggest money maker. Hire an entirely additional team to get it done. I don't really care what anyone says, you do that kind of stuff for your most profitable game.

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It always sticks in my side when they drop a new cash shop glam and- SHOCK, SUPRISE- hrothgar (and viera) get charged effectively more money for gear pieces that cease to exist on their characters and people are like "Oh it would take a lot of time and money to pay programmers to....do their job and make hats fit two player races" like I assure you with hundreds of thousands of hroth and viera in the game at 15+ dollars each theyd more than make up the money spent on modelling when two players feel like they actually get their moneys worth from a new purchase.

Im not hurting for alot of headgear on my Hrothgar, both my current Male Alt, and my Future Female Queen.
But the Hrothgar do deserve better, and I do hope they get alot of love next expansion. Its stupid and unfair how this race has been treated, and their excuses were understandable...at 1st. But now its literally just becoming an excuse, not even one worth defending anymore, especially after all of the patience we (well most of us) tried to have on this, and play nice about it.
Im even still being Charitable to them, but Im starting to run out of Patience and want to see some actual work being put into this race, and some acknowledgement that the Hrothgar exist. In terms of Headgear, and some more npcs (especially Voice Acted) would be nice to.

Now it's great hroths got some lore in Encyclopaedia Eorzea III. Now I hope there will be actually some in game in the future.

The headgear issue continues to demonstrate bad design. Their unwillingness to adress the issue is now just pure laziness.

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Originally Posted by kyyninen_kirahvi

Their unwillingness to adress the issue is now just pure laziness.

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I will once again be Charitable and say....they arnt addressing it, because they have nothing to show for it.
Just a Vauge Nod such as "It is coming" is cute, but does nothing for me. I want to SEE something, not just hear about it.
But Hopium is we will see something next month...or...what is it, October that the next Fanfest or whatever is? Hopefully we will see something very soon on the road to 7.0 for this poor Race.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I will once again be Charitable and say....they arnt addressing it, because they have nothing to show for it.

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Having nothing to show after 4 years is pretty damning, especially when modders had this stuff down almost immediately and while I understand mods don't follow the same guidelines as officially released content, there is at least something that can be done about it.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Having nothing to show after 4 years is pretty damning, especially when modders had this stuff down almost immediately and while I understand mods don't follow the same guidelines as officially released content, there is at least something that can be done about it.

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If anything, it proves it can be done in a single day (polishing details aside). They had 4 years.