Do NOT bring Kaiten back

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Originally Posted by AsiTsurugi

The non-gapcloser Raiju is very reminiscent of one character's move from taht show yeah.

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Really? I thought it was fleeting raiju that they did and not forked raiju. I don't watch many shonen animes so I never know these things, but I can sure guess!

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Originally Posted by Ruminous

Pretty sure a Naruto character does fleeting raiju too, or it's like a common thing? Ninja run as well? It's all so anime.

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Ya, Kakashi does a lightning move called chidori. Was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw them showing that animation in the job previews for endwalker lol.

This is now a Naruto thread

Give Ninja the ninja dogs summon and I switch mains.

The frog on NIN isn't just a Naruto reference. It's also a reference to Jiraiya the Gallant. Who in itself, was also a reference to folklore of the same name. As well as the fact that historical ninja were known to employ pyrotechnics and explosives for a myriad of methods and purposes, hence the fire.

The raiju stuff is for sure a Naruto reference, though, as is the run animation. The mudra is something related to the hand seals commonly used in Shinto/Buddhist monastic prayer and ritual, like the Rin-Pyo-To-Sha-Kai-Jin-Retsu-Zai-Zen thing and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Ya, Kakashi does a lightning move called chidori. Was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw them showing that animation in the job previews for endwalker lol.

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Fake Ninja, everyone knows Kakashi's lightning attack is the Raikiri. Sasuke's the one with the Chidori.

That being said, Fleeting and Forked Raiju is 100% inspired by Kakashi's Purple Lightning jutsu.

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Originally Posted by xAFROx

The frog on NIN isn't just a Naruto reference. It's also a reference to Jiraiya the Gallant. Who in itself, was also a reference to folklore of the same name. As well as the fact that historical ninja were known to employ pyrotechnics and explosives for a myriad of methods and purposes, hence the fire.

The raiju stuff is for sure a Naruto reference, though, as is the run animation. The mudra is something related to the hand seals commonly used in Shinto/Buddhist monastic prayer and ritual, like the Rin-Pyo-To-Sha-Kai-Jin-Retsu-Zai-Zen thing and stuff.

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Ya true I forgot Jiraiya is based on an actual folk lore.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Fake Ninja, everyone knows Kakashi's lightning attack is the Raikiri. Sasuke's the one with the Chidori.

That being said, Fleeting and Forked Raiju is 100% inspired by Kakashi's Purple Lightning jutsu.

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Kakashi created chidori. Raikiri and chidori are literally the same ninjutsu.

And this is why the aesthetic turns me away from Ninja every time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INbPxaRY3SI

He did some pretty good talking about ninja's things. It's pre-Endwalker though.

When I started to play WoW 17 years ago, my friend told me that every MMO community has a idiot in it. One who undermines the stability of the game. One who cares nothing for the fun of a game. And one who is willing to see the game be torn down just to prove their point and make their selves look good. This post reminded of that saying and what he told me.

Person who barely plays Samurai has an uneducated opinion about Samurai, why am I not surprised lmao

Why do people keep bumping the obvious troll thread? SE is gonna see this thread title and think everything is peachy. :|

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Originally Posted by Karious

Why do people keep bumping the obvious troll thread? SE is gonna see this thread title and think everything is peachy. :|

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Optimistic of you to think they actually read these forums.

You could play Samurai without Kaiten. It feels awful, but it works.
In the same vein, you could play as a Marauder, Conjurer, or Pugilist. It feels awful, but it works. You'll clear the content, so who cares, am I right?

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Originally Posted by Martynek

You could play Samurai without Kaiten. It feels awful, but it works.
In the same vein, you could play as a Marauder, Conjurer, or Pugilist. It feels awful, but it works. You'll clear the content, so who cares, am I right?

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It DOES feel awful. And this is coming from a trash SAM. I feel like if I'm not doing shinten spam, im just standing there waiting for GCDs most of the time (and shinten spam looks stupid.) I feel like I'm not playing a lvl 90 job but a lvl 60 or 70 job at this point. The main reason why I picked up SAM was for the Kaiten animation. I thought it was one of the coolest animations in the game. Now, I'm in search of a replacement job. I've been trying monk just because it shared gear with SAM (and I didn't have to regear) but after spending the past 1-2 weeks with it and getting used to the rotation, I feel like I'm on the search again as I'm not completely satisfied.

Seriously hoping they revert the changes. Right now I feel like SAM is walking the path of SMN. Which is not good.

I feel like Kaiten could have worked (as in stayed in) if they had made it one of those chain skills that becomes the next follow up skill, like midare setsugekka. Like... how Dragoon has that Dragon Eye ability. So you get the three seals, then Kaiten appears on the midare setsugekka button, so its like in two in one button that you double tap. XD

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

I feel like Kaiten could have worked (as in stayed in) if they had made it one of those chain skills that becomes the next follow up skill, like midare setsugekka. Like... how Dragoon has that Dragon Eye ability. So you get the three seals, then Kaiten appears on the midare setsugekka button, so its like in two in one button that you double tap. XD

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That would be a lot more punishing. On its own button you can mess up and not have enough kenki for kaiten and just skip it. Not ideal, but the option is there. If kaiten is tied into the iajutsu button you'd be forced to use another global to build kenki. Combining ogi into ikishoten would make much more sense if action blow was really the problem, which it wasn't. We all know by now the change was done entirely because of the ultimate fight.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

That would be a lot more punishing. On its own button you can mess up and not have enough kenki for kaiten and just skip it. Not ideal, but the option is there. If kaiten is tied into the iajutsu button you'd be forced to use another global to build kenki. Combining ogi into ikishoten would make much more sense if action blow was really the problem, which it wasn't. We all know by now the change was done entirely because of the ultimate fight.

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no kenkei gauge for this kaiten, its like dragoons dragon eye thing, once you hsve the seals, you use the kaiten before midare period by hitting whatever your midare button is.

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

no kenkei gauge for this kaiten, its like dragoons dragon eye thing, once you hsve the seals, you use the kaiten before midare period by hitting whatever your midare button is.

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But... why?

For one, that can end up a clipping nightmare given how XIV has tended to do combined buttons.

More importantly, though, Kaiten having a Kenki cost is largely the point of Kaiten -- to create a need for gauge management so that Kenki is an actual gauge instead of just a Shinten charge counter.

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Originally Posted by Selvokaz

no kenkei gauge for this kaiten, its like dragoons dragon eye thing, once you hsve the seals, you use the kaiten before midare period by hitting whatever your midare button is.

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That's....even worse. Why would anyone want that? Part of the reason everyone hates this change is the simplification of kenki. Kaiten animation is great and flows great into the iajutsus, but the other thing is it gave us something else to manage. We'd still run into the same problem of just spamming shinten.