What has gotten into the community these days?

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

They can't be kind to each other. This forum is filled with the type - "If you don't agree with me then you are against me".

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"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" ?
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I'm not going to read the replied to the OP. I'll just share.

I get exasperated by these forums, frequently. The level of one-sided critique is beyond the norm for... well, everywhere else. I think that's just the type of culture that sprung forth from these kind of games. I remember arguing for weeks on end in unofficial communities about what was acceptable play in FFXI, and the concept of overinflated expectations. FFXIV raised the bar of my own expectations in this game, but I've always leaned more on the side of understanding what's been communicated and basing my feedback within those known bounds - rather than outright and aggressively challenging them.

I find a lot of the so-called criticism here toxic - to the point of "I would be tempted to strike this person if we weren't in a sue-happy world." Not over anything in the game specifically but under the onus of "You'd never say that to anyone in actual, physically present company and not be considered inciting a fight." A lot of it is "Karen" Behavior at best, disingenuous instigating on average. People should know to behave better and not act out of petulance or obstinance.

So I keep a distance. I don't think debating online has gotten worse - so much as I've lost tolerance of it. I have to remind myself that this is all exhaustively tired old hat because I'm much older now - and many people are either younger people who are experiencing that phase of their lives, or adults that never got to kick the phase. Either way, I pity the community leads that have to sift through this - and hope some day financial expectations of community management will allow them to properly enforce better conduct, regardless of where you fall on the argumentative scale.

Too many words, not enough hostility.

Get back to fighting people, or I will poke you all with a stick.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Too many words, not enough hostility.

Get back to fighting people, or I will poke you all with a stick.

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You'll go back to baby jail with that attitude, but I'm not afraid to go down with you!

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Dear lord what's with the sudden NA/EU/AU hate lmao. Stop being xenophobic, accept that you live in America, on the internet, and that you have to mingle with other cultures and even other Americans. :P

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Perhaps it was the americans are school shooters in this thread or the fact EU players keep complaining about how NA people are so entitled because they are customers and just don't lay down and take whatever comes to them because in the EU everyone is a peasant. Also AU players for years have complained about getting their own data center but we over look that and whine about the person who wants to give you people exactly what you all wanted.

Seriously players from the EU constantly whine about NA players but they go over and play with them instead of going to the EU servers that were provided to EU players. Same with AU Players which this is a big announcement since for years this has been the biggest AU Compliant and now the data centers are here no one wants to go over there.

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Originally Posted by Kyu-Momo

The forums these days.... Hm.... I almost miss the troll post spam.... almost.

Let's see....

1) Taking a game so seriously that you insult other people over it
2) Being condescending, insulting, and/or overly aggressive to people who do not share your opinion or dare to be positive/negative

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Yikes. maybe the stress has gotten to people with all that's going on in the world, which, yeah understandable, but jiminy Christmas, everyone here needs to take a step back and relax.

Housing, glamour, job balancing, etc etc needs work, yes, but that doesn't excuse spewing vitriol at each other.
The people on this forum are not your enemies, they are fellow human beings who want to play this game and have fun, just like you do.

Please, try to be kind to each other.

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Welcome to FFXIV!

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

Everyone from the EU won't have to deal with NA Players who they feel are entitled customers and they can take every thing Square Enix gives them and won't have to see many people complaining and they can accept their lot in life as is their way.

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Win/Win for everyone except the EU and AU players who want to come into NA Forums and Data Centers and tell people to accept their lot in life and being a consumer means nothing and to accept your lot in life as a good serf peasant.

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Your comments are bizarre, since from anecdotal experience, EU customers on here (at least based on their server) are not the ones who are against complaining and criticising the game. Quite the opposite, I find. With that said, I wouldn't be opposed to such a split in the forum.

It does feel like some (again, some, not most) newer thread comments have gotten more toxic than usual lately, whether that includes comments that involve passive-aggressive remarks, or even some cases of outright bigotry within certain large threads. Regardless, there’s a report feature, and I really hope that the forum moderators more actively address comments that clearly violate the terms of use with regards to its pretty straightforward notes about harassment. People shouldn’t feel uncomfortable on the official forums.

Just because I make posts most feisty and spicy does not mean I hate the person am replying too.

I do not know you or anyone in this place well enough to even dislike them. I know nothing about the developers either beyond the stuffs they design. Besides English is not the main language so must work with what you have.. Am capable of disagreeing with what someone says without disliking them. Heck! Can even become best of the friends with others after a minor spicy debate, kinda find those enjoyable if there is honesty.

What am attempting to say is not every bout of feist is some vitriolic toxic comment. There are no lines to read between and perhaps some are looking too deeply into things that mean nothing.

I'm visiting this forum today and I used to be a regular in 2015/2014. It's depressing how toxic it is right now. The problem isn't criticism, is the lack of respect and willingness to have a decent discussion.

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Originally Posted by Theresa

I'm visiting this forum today and I used to be a regular in 2015/2014. It's depressing how toxic it is right now. The problem isn't criticism, is the lack of respect and willingness to have a decent discussion.

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You can say that about most things nowadays. 2014-2015 were better times in general, at least the way I see it.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

It does feel like some (again, some, not most) newer thread comments have gotten more toxic than usual lately, whether that includes comments that involve passive-aggressive remarks, or even some cases of outright bigotry within certain large threads. Regardless, there’s a report feature, and I really hope that the forum moderators more actively address comments that clearly violate the terms of use with regards to its pretty straightforward notes about harassment. People shouldn’t feel uncomfortable on the official forums.

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Trust me, you get banned if you break the ToS on the forums, I know from first hand experiences. In your case, I have read what was posted and in reality you were trying to control what people could and could not say on a public forum outside of the ToS by calling it bigotry. So don't start pulling the sympathetic victim card you brought all that on yourself.

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Originally Posted by Theresa

I'm visiting this forum today and I used to be a regular in 2015/2014. It's depressing how toxic it is right now. The problem isn't criticism, is the lack of respect and willingness to have a decent discussion.

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The two problems, if you bring up criticism people will tell you to just simply quit, or make random excuses for the devs as to why your criticism is invalid. Now if these excuses has any sort of validation cool, but they never do. Other problem is if you praise the game you are a white knight. There are some that do have discussions, but subjects veer off topic quick because of these two things.

Another big thing is people believe there should be a homogeneous opinion that x is bad or good.

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Originally Posted by Shin96

Don't forget "respects your time". Thanks I'm homeless now Yoshi P!

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This quote kills me everytime >.< I would be lying if I didn't laugh at this when friends are going through ARR and post ARR. Mini lan event involved one of them clicking on the foot prints in the snow for nine hours and while they wait looked at me and said "This is a game that really respects your time." Yoshi- P is a meme lord. He has so many ironic zingers.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Dear lord what's with the sudden NA/EU/AU hate lmao. Stop being xenophobic, accept that you live in America, on the internet, and that you have to mingle with other cultures and even other Americans. :P

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When I speak to my Brazillian and Aussie friends the first thing I think about is how oh so different everyones culture is... *facepalms* The comment made prior just....I don't think I will ever be able to theory of mind my way around how this thinking occurs. Do we need to start building baby gates around borders and close them off because no one in any other country will suddenly just start zombie mauling other people. That has to be it. Passports, what are those, we never interact with other 'cultures' they are far too different. No one will ever be able to communicate! I honestly, this has me thinking of everyone as cave men now, and we see another cave man and start shaking sticks at each other when we discover someone if from a different location as someone else. Is that how some see other locations of living?

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

They can't be kind to each other. This forum is filled with the type - "If you don't agree with me then you are against me".

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Hot take. When you behave like a clown and post inflammatory opinions, expect opposition :^)

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Trust me, you get banned if you break the ToS on the forums, I know from first hand experiences. In your case, I have read what was posted and in reality you were trying to control what people could and could not say on a public forum outside of the ToS by calling it bigotry. So don't start pulling the sympathetic victim card you brought all that on yourself.

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Repeatedly making homophobic or transphobic remarks absolutely is an example of bigotry, and that violates the terms of use.

To especially act like that massive thread isn’t still regularly receiving posts that include hateful and vulgar attacks against transgender people, said attacks including purposeful misgendering and concerning obsessions with what body parts that a transgender person may have, or to pretend like that transphobic behavior doesn’t reinforce harmful social attitudes that can lead to violence, is incredibly disingenuous.

Said thread is also filled with other hateful comments like problematic double standards, perpetuated anti-gay stereotypes, really personal attacks that claim that people who support more inclusion are insecure with their own sexuality, and lots of rude name-calling among other things… And you really want to try to act like there aren’t bigoted comments anywhere in that massive thread, also ignoring that some were already deleted?

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Hot take. When you behave like a clown and post inflammatory opinions, expect opposition :^)

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Coming from the guy posting for no other reason than to be incendiary.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Coming from the guy posting for no other reason than to be incendiary.

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I mean, its true, when you post stupid things, expect opposition. Going around being like "oh the community is being toxic now. Weh" because they're unhappy with a service that they're receiving, then You can't blame them for being unhappy :^)

When you have people coming in defending the less than satisfactory things and even going as far as to call people who are critiquing something rightfully "whining" and "toxic" then you deserve every bit of ire that is coming your way, honey bunches of oats~

It's just a vocal minority anyways. I use these forums when I can't play the game but when I can, I play it and enjoy it.

Because the toxic positivity put the devs into the god-like pedestal and now they think they can get away doing half assed jobs, so people snaped.

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Originally Posted by Kyu-Momo

The forums these days.... Hm.... I almost miss the troll post spam.... almost.

Let's see....

1) Taking a game so seriously that you insult other people over it
2) Being condescending, insulting, and/or overly aggressive to people who do not share your opinion or dare to be positive/negative

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Yikes. maybe the stress has gotten to people with all that's going on in the world, which, yeah understandable, but jiminy Christmas, everyone here needs to take a step back and relax.

Housing, glamour, job balancing, etc etc needs work, yes, but that doesn't excuse spewing vitriol at each other.
The people on this forum are not your enemies, they are fellow human beings who want to play this game and have fun, just like you do.

Please, try to be kind to each other.

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Hate posts like this, it only serves to undermine the point of said posts. One dude called some other dudes a name GEEE why is the entire opposition so toxic, the game would be better off if no one complained

I discard anyone's opinion that has an argument that boils down "Yikes." You want more civil people? Enforce civility in society. Have fun with that, lol.

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Originally Posted by Soma_Farkreath

finally someone said it. no matter how much you put into it, it is just a game and im so sick of all the hate

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Jesus when did the community become as blind sighted as the Pokémon fan base? Just consume the product haters!

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Originally Posted by Milus

Because the toxic positivity put the devs into the god-like pedestal and now they think they can get away doing half assed jobs, so people snaped.

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Based on what I've seen during my time here over the past year I'd say that pretty much sums it up. When you censor dissenting opinions and all you end up left with is a giant echo chamber, it should be no surprise to anyone that those who feel as if their voices aren't being heard get a little rowdy.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Jesus when did the community become as blind sighted as the Pokémon fan base? Just consume the product haters!

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That's just most people now a days. I remember hearing something that rang really true a year ago, some guy was talking about the quality dip of most "geek" entertainment and how it has to cater to the average person that has no interest in the IP and how "people don't want to think about what they are watching/playing, they just want the big explosion and show off how deep they are. Did you want the actual story of "Marvel: The end"? Too bad, Disney says we need to rewrite the actual story, here's a golden gauntlet, f**k you. You want to play your single player game? Too bad, you can't log on. Here's a queue, you will wait for it, f**k you." He honestly sounded like the George Carlin of video games looking back on it, lol.

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

Interesting to see people taking criticism of the game as a personal attack.

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It goes both ways, though. If we dare to say that we're fine with the status quo, or if we even suggest that maybe we should be considerate of others in our random groups, we're somehow guilty of toxic positivity, whatever that means. I've even been called smug and stupid on these forums for saying that I'm bad at the game and appreciate that the current difficulty level doesn't shut me out of content.

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

It goes both ways, though. If we dare to say that we're fine with the status quo, or if we even suggest that maybe we should be considerate of others in our random groups, we're somehow guilty of toxic positivity, whatever that means. I've even been called smug and stupid on these forums for saying that I'm bad at the game and appreciate that the current difficulty level doesn't shut me out of content.

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Yes it does go both ways, but what’s more harmful: shutting down opinions because people’s irrational attachment or shutting down people simple pleasures because irrational desires? It does go both ways but if you already 100% satisfied with the game, why are you in the forums to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Yes it does go both ways, but what’s more harmful: shutting down opinions because people’s irrational attachment or shutting down people simple pleasures because irrational desires?

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It doesn't matter which is more harmful. Both are harmful. You can disagree without "shutting down people." Just because I think that normal mode is fine how it is because I and many others like me have no intention of progressing beyond normal doesn't mean that I don't respect other players' preferences for harder content. I just think that they're better off in Savage and Ultimate, where they are right now.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

It does go both ways but if you already 100% satisfied with the game, why are you in the forums to begin with?

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Because I know from my WoW experience that when we don't speak up, stuff changes out from under us. Look at where Blizzard is now. They're not even putting dungeon finder into WotLK Classic because I was laughing back when a vocal minority insisted that it was destroying the community. They took out flying in WoD because some ground pounders insisted that flight ruined the entire game. Once the genie leaves the bottle, there's no putting it back. I've learned that if we want the genie to stay right where it is, we need to speak up in support of it.

Population increase is the likeliest culprit. This game saw a surge of popularity last year. Becoming the #1 MMO in the world brings extra scrutiny, higher expectations, and more hate. Lots and lots of hate. Primarily from its own playerbase.

They will say things like, "We have a right to express our opinions." And while that's true, the vitriol on the forums has been over-the-top and hilarious. Fortunately, this game also has a large Japanese playerbase, and that's where I go to gauge the actual state of the game. Certainly not these forums, which outside of the Lore section, suck pretty badly.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Yes it does go both ways, but what’s more harmful: shutting down opinions because people’s irrational attachment or shutting down people simple pleasures because irrational desires? It does go both ways but if you already 100% satisfied with the game, why are you in the forums to begin with?

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Because their opinions should still be heard? What kind of backwards logic are you pulling here. The entire point is that everything goes both ways. People whom are too positive to shutdown criticism and not take feedback seriously as well as people whom are too negative and over-exaggerate aspects of this game that they find bad. And frankly I'm seeing more of the latter in the forums these days.

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

It goes both ways, though. If we dare to say that we're fine with the status quo, or if we even suggest that maybe we should be considerate of others in our random groups, we're somehow guilty of toxic positivity, whatever that means. I've even been called smug and stupid on these forums for saying that I'm bad at the game and appreciate that the current difficulty level doesn't shut me out of content.

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Very much this.

Almost no one is saying the game is perfect, and intelligent criticism is always warranted. But the way it is here, if you just say that you don't mind a decision that was made, that you're *gasp* okay with the developers, and/or are actually happy with the way the game is, you're instantly slammed for being a white knight or some blind fanboy of the game. I don't have much experience with other places where FF14 is discussed but there's no question that the general tenor on these forums is overly negative, and I can't help but feel it's because any topic that actually shows positivity is either scrolled off the front page by repetitive "The Game Sucks" topics or is bombarded by the usual crowd of naysayers who just can't seem to stand anyone having positive feelings about the game.

I’d also like to say who the hell cares about the community, they don’t dictate the game and if they have any sort of stake in your enjoyment that you have to constantly remind yourself “forums bad!” Then that’s a personal issue.

For me personally I’d rather hear critique than a echo chamber. I can debate with critique I can’t with rose tinted glasses in disingenuous attitudes. Honestly Take that stuff to Reddit where critique of any kind is shunned. All hail SE, or somthing

End of the day, forums are for communication if you have so much disdain for opinions or roll your eyes on blatant missteps and have to be a white knight and tell people to “stop whining” on forums of all places, maybe this isn’t the best platform to spread tight end happiness

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

Repeatedly making homophobic or transphobic remarks absolutely is an example of bigotry, and that violates the terms of use.

To especially act like that massive thread isn’t still regularly receiving posts that include hateful and vulgar attacks against transgender people, said attacks including purposeful misgendering and concerning obsessions with what body parts that a transgender person may have, or to pretend like that transphobic behavior doesn’t reinforce harmful social attitudes that can lead to violence, is incredibly disingenuous.

Said thread is also filled with other hateful comments like problematic double standards, perpetuated anti-gay stereotypes, really personal attacks that claim that people who support more inclusion are insecure with their own sexuality, and lots of rude name-calling among other things… And you really want to try to act like there aren’t bigoted comments anywhere in that massive thread, also ignoring that some were already deleted?

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This was originally in reply to someone else who accused me of making false accusations of bigotry, but I’m raising this to the newest page since some vocal people are still acting like the forums don’t have a problem with regards to toxicity that isn’t just criticism about the game itself; there are still many visible instances of bigotry in some popular threads.

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

It doesn't matter which is more harmful. Both are harmful. You can disagree without "shutting down people." Just because I think that normal mode is fine how it is because I and many others like me have no intention of progressing beyond normal doesn't mean that I don't respect other players' preferences for harder content. I just think that they're better off in Savage and Ultimate, where they are right now.

Because I know from my WoW experience that when we don't speak up, stuff changes out from under us. Look at where Blizzard is now. They're not even putting dungeon finder into WotLK Classic because I was laughing back when a vocal minority insisted that it was destroying the community. They took out flying in WoD because some ground pounders insisted that flight ruined the entire game. Once the genie leaves the bottle, there's no putting it back. I've learned that if we want the genie to stay right where it is, we need to speak up in support of it.

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As a WoW veteran myself I have seen a lot of design choices over the past several months indicative of a direction that will take the game down the exact same disastrous path. I'll be damned if I'm gonna just stand here and not fight it every step of the way.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

This was originally in reply to someone else who accused me of making false accusations of bigotry, but I’m raising this to the newest page since some vocal people are still acting like the forums don’t have a problem with regards to toxicity that isn’t just criticism about the game itself; there are still many visible instances of bigotry in some popular threads.

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To be fair, you make it relatively easy when you do it to them first by threatening them repeatedly with ToS harassment violations, demanding that people should respect you for no other reason than your existence and that people should agree with you 100% or they are an immoral person worthy of your ire.

If people are being mean to you, the obvious question is what did you say, and some of us have rather funny receipts.

Well, FF16 is finishing up so hopefully we can get the A team back on this game.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Well, FF16 is finishing up so hopefully we can get the A team back on this game.

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I really don't believe this. The poor design decisions fall on the Director and the board, if they are consulted about it which I am sure they are. It's not on the developers, they are just given marching orders. Besides, 16 will undoubtedly still have bugs to fix, patches, etc. and they will need the dev for it.

Bad housing design, class balance, job updates, etc. all line up with who is in charge. They make the decisions, good or bad.

As far as the original question - what has gotten into people lately - It might be that they are fed up with the decisions in the game that they love to play so much and don't want it to wither and die. Unfortunately, no one of importance comes here to read what needs to be said, but I do agree that how its said has been a constant reminder in development which is the very reason not to come here and read - the toxicity of the forums/reddit are out of control. Development and Management wouldn't have an issue reading feedback, but why should they even bother in its state? Yes, people are frustrated. Yes, people are angry (and some of it rightly so). But it should never resort to the amount of hate that appears here. Feedback doesn't have to be positive/negative. It just needs to be respectful. Even I have to bite my tongue to keep from saying what's on my mind at times. Sometimes it slips, but in no way is it threatening or to the level it has been lately here.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Population increase is the likeliest culprit. This game saw a surge of popularity last year. Becoming the #1 MMO in the world brings extra scrutiny, higher expectations, and more hate. Lots and lots of hate. Primarily from its own playerbase.

They will say things like, "We have a right to express our opinions." And while that's true, the vitriol on the forums has been over-the-top and hilarious. Fortunately, this game also has a large Japanese playerbase, and that's where I go to gauge the actual state of the game. Certainly not these forums, which outside of the Lore section, suck pretty badly.

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I would say the main culprit is age and poor planning. As time goes on, problems arise. Content is no longer as good as it once was. As philosophy and demands change as the players leave and enter the community, the main point of contention I have seen that causes toxicity is Square Enix's inability to quickly resolve issues of their creation. Such as Hrothgar and Viera Hair Styles.

It is an excellent example of how live services operate compared to commercial SAAS applications produced by a company such as Oracle or Microsoft. These hairstyles are essential user experience issues for roughly around 10% + of your user base. That would consider players who play those races and people who want to play them. Then you also have significant sub-issues such as poorly implemented hairstyles such as the hairlines for Viera in 6.1 and the need for fantasia and lack of ears for Hrothgar.

It is only an example, but if a crippling user experience issue were happening for 10% of your userbase in any commercial company worldwide, its resolution would happen quickly. Usually within 1-3 quarters or 3-9 months after implementation because the product wouldn't make it off the ground if it had not been. However, you wait 2-3 years or 8-12 quarters for something as simple as hairstyles. The development team should have had plans to rectify once placed on the live servers quickly.

Now we all get that the game has other issues, but this is an example of bringing something to the live servers without properly planning to see the significant pain points rectified promptly. Yes, covid was a thing, but it's not just hairstyles, and this mentality in the team goes back longer than 2-3 years, and while yes, other companies do it, it's not an excuse. Patch 6.1 was a maintenance patch for systems and content, which should have been maintained 6 - 8 years ago. Such as revamping older dungeons, a new PVP mode, and a few extra glamour plates. Since this wasn't done for eight years, we are now stuck in a situation where the overall patch is tarnished because of poor implementation, content being worse than previous iterations and not listening to customer feedback regarding the core mechanical gameplay of particular roles and classes such as healer and samurai who got a buff in the most recent patch notes instead of just reversing the overwhelmingly unpopular change.

This inability to consider how established players feel in your game is a direction we have seen the team go as they strive to make the game more solo and new player friendly at the expense of the established userbase and people who already give you their hard-earned money. The game developers have a fiduciary duty to take on the wishes of the userbase as they are stakeholders in the game, and they are ignoring their will for players who don't want to play the game-turning FF14 from an MMO to an RPG with online elements. We already have far better games in the market which provide this service with many more diverse options at their disposal. Want to hunt monsters with friends? Monster Hunter World is there for you. Want a challenge? Then play Elden Ring. The game is trying to cater to a different market than initially intended, so of course, players who are invested will lash out because they feel like their investment is at risk.

There are only so many excuses you can make over the game's lifetime for a particular subject. If it's taken a fortune 2000 company that made 2.4 billion dollars last year alone to fix, we have an issue because it shouldn't take one year, let alone 8, for a glamour rework, hairstyles, an engine overhaul etc. So while yes, there are reasons for this, you are paid six-figure salaries to fix those issues within a reasonable manner because no one in their right mind can say that it's right or just that two races can't wear hats 2-3 years on or that the majority of the player base can't participate in an advertised end game activity such as housing.

The game developers are lovely people; however, action speaks louder than words, and they can write all the Loadstone or video apologies with crocodile tears in the world, but you have had eight years and a fortune that could feed a small nation that is comparable to the GDP of an African country. As time goes on, this game should be getting more efficient and cheaper to run; your staff should be far better at handling issues meaning they have a higher quality and time effective response even as content increases. In addition, you should be hiring more people along the way.

Suppose the team is growing the game in terms of content that is outstripping the ability of the team to provide support. In that case, we have a significant issue, especially now that we are entering another 10-year journey which has already experienced three scandals, especially after how poorly Endwalker was received compared to Shadowbringers, as it's evident they combined two expansions.

FF14 is a global product, and therefore, the opinion of the globe matters, not just in Japan. While the Anglosphere and others may be more brutal in their criticism, it's far more helpful than a shower of compliments.

You need to be speeding up production, not slowing it down and if you have staffing issues, system issues, engine issues etc. You need to fix that within 1-2 years because you can't expect people to stay. Maybe that's why you are more comfortable telling people to leave because any designer who doesn't want people to have the best experience in their world and spend as much time willingly is not a designer worth their salt no matter their accomplishments because your only as good as your last patch.

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Originally Posted by Kyu-Momo

The forums these days.... Hm.... I almost miss the troll post spam.... almost.

Let's see....

1) Taking a game so seriously that you insult other people over it
2) Being condescending, insulting, and/or overly aggressive to people who do not share your opinion or dare to be positive/negative

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Yikes. maybe the stress has gotten to people with all that's going on in the world, which, yeah understandable, but jiminy Christmas, everyone here needs to take a step back and relax.

Housing, glamour, job balancing, etc etc needs work, yes, but that doesn't excuse spewing vitriol at each other.
The people on this forum are not your enemies, they are fellow human beings who want to play this game and have fun, just like you do.

Please, try to be kind to each other.

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Well said-- and I'll add my +1 the 87 Likes already garnered on your post.

To be honest, just grab your drink, tea, refreshment of choice-- relax, chill-- and watch from the sidelines. Trust me when I say there is a massive majority of veterans already doing just that-- you need to smile, watch the trolls do their thing and be entertained.

Ironically, I posted about this a while back-- and as said before, all these vile shenanigans on the forums won't stall the momentum that FFXIV already has in place. Again-- I repeat-- there are several discords, reddits, blogs/vlogs, you tube channels and community efforts out there that continue to help promote the game while providing critical solid feedback (with suggestions) to the Devs.

Here's a hint-- when you carefully think about it, it helps you underline the reason why most vets, long-time streamers, and social media artists related to FFXIV do not post here on the official forums. In addition, it's no coincidence that Yoshida-san already gave a global plea for people to be more tolerant and kind to one another-- and I reckon the next phase is already in the works, which is for a more stringent approach to moderating the forums.

Simple put-- an excessively toxic forum is bad for business-- and the Board won't tolerate that in the long run. Like I said-- relax-- and watch the sad souls continue to waste their energy doing their thing.

Yeah, like the OP sticking tags like "whining" on threads she dislikes.

Please, try to be kind to each other.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

Well said-- and I'll add my +1 the 87 Likes already garnered on your post.

To be honest, just grab your drink, tea, refreshment of choice-- relax, chill-- and watch from the sidelines. Trust me when I say there is a massive majority of veterans already doing just that-- you need to smile, watch the trolls do their thing and be entertained.

Ironically, I posted about this a while back-- and as said before, all these vile shenanigans on the forums won't stall the momentum that FFXIV already has in place. Again-- I repeat-- there are several discords, reddits, blogs/vlogs, you tube channels and community efforts out there that continue to help promote the game while providing critical solid feedback (with suggestions) to the Devs.

Here's a hint-- when you carefully think about it, it helps you underline the reason why most vets, long-time streamers, and social media artists related to FFXIV do not post here on the official forums. In addition, it's no coincidence that Yoshida-san already gave a global plea for people to be more tolerant and kind to one another-- and I reckon the next phase is already in the works, which is for a more stringent approach to moderating the forums.

Simple put-- an excessively toxic forum is bad for business-- and the Board won't tolerate that in the long run. Like I said-- relax-- and watch the sad souls continue to waste their energy doing their thing.

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I would agree with you on the majority of your point but I would say an aggressively toxic forum is the result of a bad business and if the board wants to take action as it did in 1.0 by shutting them down then it is telling of the state of the game. The official forums should be your radiation card and if it goes colourless and then green you need to seek medical attention and fix the issues quickly.