New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Man, the headshapes on the hair are wrong too.

They really didn't touch them up at all outside of maybe upscaling them to be bigger than the head...

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that's because they copy/pasted the hair from the Roegadyn frame (the Frame they altered to make Hrothgar) and called it a day apparently.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I was also being sarcastic. My point is that it doesn't matter what players ask for, if it's not in their plan it's not happening. Even taking aside Viera they had a lot of time to make new hair for Hrothgar if that's what they wanted to do, but they didn't and by their more recent admission didn't intend to either.

Plenty of people have been burned before but I don't think I've ever seen it backfire this badly where some people are genuinely confused if it's an April fools joke or not.

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"If it's not in their plan it's not happening" -Yencat
No truer words have been spoken

And you're absolutely right, if they wanted to do a good job they would have.

I'm going to just draw some hairstyles and post it & get feedback from our disgruntled folks- I hope it gets traction

This is clearly an April Fool's joke cuz it certainly got me laughin this morning. They should just delete Hrothgars honestly. I haven't played too many MMO's but I've never seen such failed race as much as the Hrothgars. XD

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

i've said this, probably close to a dozen times, if not more, today. The modders already did 95% of the work for them. they could easily just pay them to finish it

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Naaah... they actually are very proud of their work , so why would they use modders when they can do this , then say how hard they was working for last few years ( in their free time ) just to deliver us this quality piece of work . Dont you dare to say anything mean tho... cause last time team was very sad that ppl was mean to them.

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Originally Posted by Retrisar

Naaah... they actually are very proud of their work , so why would they use modders when they can do this , then say how hard they was working for last few years ( in their free time ) just to deliver us this quality piece of work . Dont you dare anything mean tho... cause last time team was very sad that ppl was mean to them.

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i got a good laugh out of this, and then just felt extremely bitter and disappointed that i wasted almost 3 years waiting for them to fulfill their promise to fix Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

"If it's not in their plan it's not happening" -Yencat
No truer words have been spoken

And you're absolutely right, if they wanted to do a good job they would have.

I'm going to just draw some hairstyles and post it & get feedback from our disgruntled folks- I hope it gets traction

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Well, reading it like that maybe it's a bit harsh haha

I do think they take player feedback, but when it comes to things like making new race-locked hairstyles I definitely don't think that's ever in the cards again no matter how much the community asked for it.

Hopefully they'll see how people are responding to what they showed though and if they can't do anything to fix them, maybe at least give an explanation why they settled on... this.

I really hope they make the ears appear and clip on release day and say that those images were april fools jokes... they literally have the perfect excuse. I haven't seen anyone be positive about the state of those hairstyles.

For the love of god just let the ears clip, it looks really bad especially with how the Snow hairstyle accounts for every other race that has unique head features.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

I really hope they make the ears appear and clip on release day and say that those images were april fools jokes... they literally have the perfect excuse. I haven't seen anyone be positive about the state of those hairstyles.

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i have, but in a super copium kind of way where they are defending the developers and not the hairstyles.

I'm just..honestly confused and a bit baffled by what they call hairstyles. There are limitations yes, but even then these are a poor excuse of what they could come up with. I wouldn't have minded if we had less options if the hairstyles were more polished and actually had some thought put into it, but these look like they were just ported over and when the ears didn't work, they went "oh well, let's pretend they were hidden under the hair". The dev team usually does amazing work and I'm really looking forward to 6.1, but this definitely deserves criticism.

Saw this posted as one of those expectations vs what we got things, made me chuckle (bitterly):

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/...840&height=840

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Saw this posted as one of those expectations vs what we got things, made me chuckle (bitterly):

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Gigachad Thundermane Lion-Man
vs.
The Virgin Lionboi

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Originally Posted by Skyborne

Gigachad Thundermane Lion-Man
vs.
The Virgin Lionboi

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the sad thing is that hairstyle actually would be too complicated to add without massive clipping issues. but it would look so damn cool

Im deeply disappointed with the development team in charge of the hrothgars, I really expected much better from you but I guess this is what happens when you trust the development team that much.

It's embarrassing how a development team like yours get to that point.. I know it's not easy to take care of many things at once but geez this completely unacceptable! you could have done this much better also rare and few are the hats that work with the hrothgar and now that we were excited about new hairstyles you surprise us with this joke...no one is happy with these new hairstyles but the worst of it was all about cutting off the ears , the miqo'te also have ears and they do not have any problems with haircuts or hats , so.. please do something about it, rework the race if that's necessary for make it works , give love to Hrothgar's alike and don't do things by halves!

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

the sad thing is that hairstyle actually would be too complicated to add without massive clipping issues. but it would look so damn cool

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Well it would give you a good reason to run without shirt .

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

the sad thing is that hairstyle actually would be too complicated to add without massive clipping issues. but it would look so damn cool

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I feel like after they complete the first graphics update, one of the most important changes they could make to the longevity of the game is fixing hair/cape clipping on character models. That is something that will heavily date this game if it survives long enough.

Also, butt slider.

These hairstyles minus snow is nothing short of a disaster. You can tell yoshi wasn't happy with what was being shown in his body language (the constant looking away). Why not use the windcaller? A hairstyle that actually looks pretty freaking good on hroths? I'm convinced this is some kind of April fool's joke and we'll be surprised on April 12th. This honestly feels like a fever dream...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH0H9m6X...jpg&name=small

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Originally Posted by BrunoKazuki

Im deeply disappointed with the development team in charge of the hrothgars, I really expected much better from you but I guess this is what happens when you trust the development team that much.

It's embarrassing how a development team like yours get to that point.. I know it's not easy to take care of many things at once but geez this completely unacceptable! you could have done this much better also rare and few are the hats that work with the hrothgar and now that we were excited about new hairstyles you surprise us with this joke...no one is happy with these new hairstyles but the worst of it was all about cutting off the ears , the miqo'te also have ears and they do not have any problems with haircuts or hats , so.. please do something about it, rework the race if that's necessary for make it works , give love to Hrothgar's alike and don't do things by halves!

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I kept my expectations tempered but I was still left disappointed. I must say my faith in the team has been shaken quite a bit. If this isn't some cruel april fool's joke it's a pretty tough pill to swallow.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I kept my expectations tempered but I was still left disappointed. I must say my faith in the team has been shaken quite a bit. If this isn't some cruel april fool's joke it's a pretty tough pill to swallow.

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it is honestly the worst 'joke' i have ever seen. akin to the Diablo mobile unveiling and the subsequent "DoN't YoU gUyS hAvE cElL pHoNeS?"

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Originally Posted by BrunoKazuki

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Man, even I'd rock that one on my Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by BrunoKazuki

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i rocked this hairstyle constantly on my character when he was a Hyur. if this is what it looked like on Hrothgar i'd switch immediately.

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Originally Posted by BrunoKazuki

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Hein's hairstyle looks great!! No joke. I'd rock this hair

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Originally Posted by BrunoKazuki

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If Hien were a Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by SacraAnima

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This looks so much better than what we'll have. I believe one of the faces the ears are a bit higher, but nothing that editing them a bit won't fix.
Anyway, I always felt that Hrothgar were a gift from the game to me (since I always wanted a furry race AND like to represent myself as lion) but this just feels... that the SqEx team doesn't really care.

First was the "We'll add hat/hair during the expansions" but nothing. Which was okay since we had a pandemic and stuff.
Then Mogstation Items that doesn't work with hats, then not all new gear/AF Gear working with Hroth/Viera. Male Viera first, and now this. Always the short end of the stick.

I would like to postpone Hrothgar Hairstyle to 6.2 or forward, if that meant to have ears even if they clip. This feels very... half-done.
I REALLY hope this is either april fools, or there is the ears that they're finalizing now. Or that they were testing hats alongside, and that's why no ears (but makes sense to have ears without the hat).

But even if there's words of concern, and that they'll look into it, the actions show that there's not much of priority on these. At least, that's what we feel as Hrothgar players.

And of course, this is a critic about a choice and the product. And would like to ask the team to review and do something else rather than this.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

The only hairstyle out of the bunch that can get away with no ears is the Snow hairstyle, and that's only because of the beanie. There is no excuse for the rest of them, especially when modders have already gotten every hairstyle and hat working on Hrothgar.

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Multi-million dollar corporation don't get outdone by fans who know how to mod challenge.
(Fail immediately)

I wouldn't mind this so much if they hadn't removed the ears just so we'd get hairstyles to work. With hats being incompatible and now ears pose a problem. My expectations were low coming into this but I felt I needed to voice it.

It seems poor planning if Hroths weren't meant to take on new hairstyles, no? I'd rather they take their time to reevaluate Hroths altogether and just do it right. Overhaul the whole race's head/facial structure if they have to if it meant we got our hats/proper hairstyles with our ears working. I would not even mind waiting until 7.0's graphic overhaul to handle this if it meant we got a proper compatibility because I'd be concerned for female hroths coming over the horizon. They can do better than this.

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Originally Posted by ZaleGallant

They can do better than this.

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I have started to think otherwise.

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Originally Posted by ZaleGallant

I wouldn't mind this so much if they hadn't removed the ears just so we'd get hairstyles to work. With hats being incompatible and now ears pose a problem. My expectations were low coming into this but I felt I needed to voice it.

It seems poor planning if Hroths weren't meant to take on new hairstyles, no? I'd rather they take their time to reevaluate Hroths altogether and just do it right. Overhaul the whole race's head/facial structure if they have to if it meant we got our hats/proper hairstyles with our ears working. I would not even mind waiting until 7.0's graphic overhaul to handle this if it meant we got a proper compatibility because I'd be concerned for female hroths coming over the horizon. They can do better than this.

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tbh they've had who knows how many years to get it right, counting the time before hrothgars were even implemented. I know game dev can take a long time but christ, they should have something way better to show by now, especially when modders have made things work in far less time and with no budget at all. I'm seriously so confused what the problem is, i'm not even an expert or anything, very limited animation experience, and even I know how to put a hat on a model and make it stick. Wonder if it's just over-fear of things clipping (even though every race deals with clipping already)?

I'm going to wait until 6.1 release to give my final judgement, but so far....what the hell is this SE?

If this is the final product then shame on them.

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Originally Posted by BrunoKazuki

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This is the only hairstyle I want. THE ONLY ONE I WANT. WHY CAN'T I HAVE A PONYTAIL SE!?

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

tbh they've had who knows how many years to get it right, counting the time before hrothgars were even implemented. I know game dev can take a long time but christ, they should have something way better to show by now, especially when modders have made things work in far less time with and no budget at all. I'm seriously so confused what the problem is, i'm not even an expert or anything, very limited animation experience, and even I know how to put a hat on a model and make it stick. Wonder if it's just over-fear of things clipping (even though every race deals with clipping already)?

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https://i.imgur.com/2GFeozu.png

This is according to the translation (from what he spoke of on LL I'm assuming). I have zero knowledge on modeling myself, but it doesn't make any sense to me either. Hroths in Gangos have been shown to have hairstyles on faces that's impossible for us to select. I'll link the post for it: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Hrothgar-Hair

So it's totally DOABLE to retrofit other hairstyles, and I fail to see the above reasoning for it on the new hairstyles.

I'm just so tired of feeling like an afterthought to the devs. I understand game design takes a long time, and I understand that they have been working on a lot of different things for us, and I especially understand that, at least in JP, hrothgar are the least played race. But... Come on... Really? They hyped us up for MONTHS about new hrothgar hairstyles being added, something they knew was a point of contention for us. Then they show us this? I've had to explain to many people now that this wasn't actually an April Fool's joke. I care a lot about my character. I put a lot of time and love and hours into this game with my hrothgar, and he's very near and dear to me. But it kinda sucks when they expect us to care about characters like that when they don't seem to care enough about them in the first place. Genuinely makes me wonder why I even play hrothgar anymore. Sorry I didn't want to be a miqo'te! Guess I'm just supposed to put up with a bunch of this stuff for it.

I expected nothing but I was still left disappointed. I created my account only to reply to this topic hoping for some fixes.

In my opinion, less but well done hairstyle is better then more with lower quality.
They should ask the community wich hairstyle they should import, even if it's one per patch/two patch et do the job manually. the automated import don't seems to be efficient on hrothgars.

Hahahahaha

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

This is the only hairstyle I want. THE ONLY ONE I WANT. WHY CAN'T I HAVE A PONYTAIL SE!?

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Hngh Daddy wants.

"We're not going to spare any expenses."

LMAO

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Originally Posted by ZaleGallant

https://i.imgur.com/2GFeozu.png

This is according to the translation (from what he spoke of on LL I'm assuming). I have zero knowledge on modeling myself, but it doesn't make any sense to me either. Hroths in Gangos have been shown to have hairstyles on faces that's impossible for us to select. I'll link the post for it: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Hrothgar-Hair

So it's totally DOABLE to retrofit other hairstyles, and I fail to see the above reasoning for it on the new hairstyles.

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"We have no choice but to do it this way" unlike the modders who are actually able make good hair options. Too bad.

Now I wont pretend i know anything about models and stuff, but it seems logical to me that if fans are able to do this in their spare time, the people hired to do this, should be able to do it too.

The whole "its impossible" argument they keep using just seems so wierd, when its clearly possible.