An educated rant: Why pentamelding is %@$&*!-backwards

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Originally Posted by Bready

We literally do not have the gil required to teleport

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What? How is this possible, money rains from the sky in this game. At L90 you should have millions lying around even without doing crafting or other money making, just from duties and roulettes.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

It's basically crafter welfare. Most MMO try some form of it, to force people to be customers to the crafters. It's one of the things I really dislike about FFXIV is it makes crafters mega-rich compared to everyone else.

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It does the exact opposite. It makes no one "rich" compared to anyone, except bots.

There isn't even that much point in being a crafter tbh. If you want the latest battle set or a stack of food, just run maps for an hour or two, or run a Hunt train or two and sell the materia + tome mats, and you can literally buy a full 580 set. Or just keep a single crafter at 80 and do Custom deliveries and turn the scrips into materia to sell. Or keep a single DoL and gather 1 map a day and sell it and it'll add up for you.

Why go to the effort of leveling 8 classes to 90, obtaining all the master books, researching your macro's and pentamelding when all it gives you access to is cheap rubbish anyone can farm easily?

Because of players like yourself who despised the fact that people could put in time and effort and be rewarded, FF14 killed crafters. You got what you wanted and predictably, you're still not happy. That's what happens when you spoil people.

TO all the clowns saying crafters don't make a huge profit.

Tell that to all the crafters who were bragging about making bank before the new raid tier.

Tell that to the real life friend I have with his nearly capped gil from crafting.

So you're either liars (what I think), or YOU'RE THE ONES BAD AT MAKING GIL WITH CRAFTING.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

TO all the clowns saying crafters don't make a huge profit.

Tell that to all the crafters who were bragging about making bank before the new raid tier.

Tell that to the real life friend I have with his nearly capped gil from crafting.

So you're either liars (what I think), or YOU'RE THE ONES BAD AT MAKING GIL WITH CRAFTING.

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People made bank before the raid gear by scrip crafting and selling materia, the people who didn't make money are the ones who spent 15m pentamelding the day before the patch only to find out that oops, there literally aren't enough raiders to buy all this incredibly easy to make gear

Well, I can't really speak for the crafters as I am not one, but as for gathering, with a little bit of care and attention, I am on track to having enough to afford a medium house when 6.1 comes along. Gathering has been good to me. The important thing is to carefully watch the market boards for trends to see which gathered materials hold more value. You have to play smart. Just throwing any old thing up on the market board is not going to give you a guaranteed payout.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

TO all the clowns saying crafters don't make a huge profit.

Tell that to all the crafters who were bragging about making bank before the new raid tier.

Tell that to the real life friend I have with his nearly capped gil from crafting.

So you're either liars (what I think), or YOU'RE THE ONES BAD AT MAKING GIL WITH CRAFTING.

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Nah man. Even what you’re saying here is not entirely true. Because we have too many crafters & too many sellers but not quite enough buyers. It’s a simple logic.

Knowing just from your real life friend(s) experience doesn’t suddenly make the whole entire dedicated crafter population filthy rich even from the patch day sales.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Tell that to the real life friend I have with his nearly capped gil from crafting.

So you're either liars (what I think), or YOU'RE THE ONES BAD AT MAKING GIL WITH CRAFTING.

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TIPPING IS WELFARE FOR RICH PEOPLE!

MY REAL LIFE FRIEND IS A DAY TRADER WHO WAITED TABLES 70 HOURS A WEEK FOR TWENTY YEARS AND HE HAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

YOU'RE EITHER LYING ABOUT HOW MUCH WAITSTAFF MAKE (WHAT I THINK) OR YOU'RE THE ONE WHO IS BAD AT MAKING MONEY!

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Originally Posted by Kakure

TIPPING IS WELFARE FOR RICH PEOPLE!

MY REAL LIFE FRIEND IS A DAY TRADER WHO WAITED TABLES 70 HOURS A WEEK FOR TWENTY YEARS AND HE HAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

YOU'RE EITHER LYING ABOUT HOW MUCH WAITSTAFF MAKE (WHAT I THINK) OR YOU'RE THE ONE WHO IS BAD AT MAKING MONEY!

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Triggered much?

Since anyone can do any craft on one character... just level crafting if you need the services that badly. Personally, I level some crafting just as a break and change of pace. If some people are making bank off it- good on them. No one is stopping anyone from just crafting yourself...

It's really not that hard to level crafters. Ishgard Restoration has literally made it super easy to do so.

Pentamelding is annoying but considering that omnicrafters have to slave over the market board, the least you could do is pony up the materia and cash to pay them.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I can kind of agree, you shouldn't have to craft and gather to over meld, and having materia for crafting / gathering is kind of stupid.
I was hoping this thread would be more about the materia system in general and how it is over all just kinda crap.
It is weird to me that crafted gear is able to be pentamelded while raid drops are not. It sadly makes everything you did before a new savage patch obsolete because pentamelded crafted gear in most cases is going to be the better option.
The material in general is a boring RNG system that could be a lot more interesting and fun.
If you ask me how it could be more interesting and fun, I don't know it's not really my job to figure that out it's Yoshi P and his teams job.

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Blue gear pentamelding is forbidden. Green crafted gear it is allowed.

Having a fully pentameled green ornate set is almost if not better then Normal gear. Not by much....but it's pretty close. But the GIL you have to spend to get it is borderline flexing.

Ok...it's basically flexing.

When you have a stock pile of mats and materia.....it's pretty simple to pentameld your own crafting/gathering sets. Which only enhances your self reliance when making the best raid food and tinctures. Which are pretty in demand for dropping the current tier savage.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Having a fully pentameled green ornate set is almost if not better then Savage gear. Not by much....but it's pretty close.

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This is blatantly false. No amount of substat will make up for losing out on 29 points of main stat, and 13 points of substat that are completely inaccessible because you're 20 item levels down on a chest piece (which is the only piece that Ornate exists for).

Yeah, the claim that pentamelded 580 crafted gear is better than 600 savage/augmented tome gear is currently just absolute nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Yeah, the claim that pentamelded 580 crafted gear is better than 600 savage/augmented tome gear is currently just absolute nonsense.

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Your correct. After reading my post I realized I put savage....when I meant normal. My bad. LOL

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Triggered much?

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You understand that I was mocking you... right?

Saying "you're lying because my crafter friend is rich" is a ridiculous response in its own right, but all the moreso when people are trying to explain to you how the economy works.

I genuinely couldn't begin to care less whether you listen and learn or continue to walk around thinking it's everyone else's fault that you are poor and that they're all lying to you about it.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Your correct. After reading my post I realized I put savage....when I meant normal. My bad. LOL

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In that case yes, it is certainly better than normal raid gear.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

In that case yes, it is certainly better than normal raid gear.

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Got savage on the brain. P2S hates me.

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Originally Posted by MitsukiLily

" [...] It's just a timesink that punishes people who want to do real content instead of blowing away their subscription time on garbage."[...]

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You seem like a fun and nice guy!

Amazes me that you're judge, Jury and whatever the 3rd one is and yet have time to play the real content aswell!

Amazing.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

Got savage on the brain. P2S hates me.

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wait until you hit 3 and have to end instances early due to eyestrain, because the devs learned nothing from the feedback about E6.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

The REAL no lifers raid and also have all crafters to max! Heck knows they've made it easy enough to cap crafters.

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Exactly.I level all my crafts so I can meld and repair my own gear. (Can't pentameld any of my DPS gear though.)
Gil comes from gathering. The only gear I've made is a set of gathering gear for my botanist retainer

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

Exactly.I level all my crafts so I can meld and repair my own gear. (Can't pentameld any of my DPS gear though.)
Gil comes from gathering. The only gear I've made is a set of gathering gear for my botanist retainer

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I have a full time career, married 10 years, 2 kids, 2 dogs, other hobbies and STILL amazed by people that can't earn gil in this game.

The QUICK gil comes from gathered mats. Ore, logs, skins, maps, potent spice, leaves (don't know the name), water, grass/hempen. This stuff sells usually PRETTY quick, generally within minutes if you price it correctly. Sometimes stacks of 99 sell outright, but can be better to sell in stacks of 49 for a lower price point and offer options to those with maybe less gil or don't want to spend a full 99 stack worth. This is gatherers bread and butter way of making gil. If you love spending time doing the same thing over and over, with youtube running or spotify on. This is for you.

The STEADY gil comes from crafted mats. Lumber, leather, nuggets, ingots, cloth, oil (culinarian), alkahest's. I rarely deal with undercutting when I sell crafted mats. They sell so fast and steady it's pointless to busy myself with the undercutting game. The sales on these are pretty much within 30min to an hour. This can be an if/then issue at times. If a patch is coming out, then make a crap load of this to rake it in as no price is wrong. If there isn't a patch, craft in moderation and be ready to adjust your prices before you log. This works best in a single item sell. I rarely put stacks on this unless it's something that needs 2-3 per craft. Crondite is a good example of selling in 12's, 24's, 36's etc. as some recipes need 2 or 3 ingots. The crafted items that need MULTIPLE items each are great cash cows. I generally do this type of crafting once a week and make around 2-3 million on average.

The WHALE gil comes from rare items. Current ilevel gear, EX plateing/crystals/gems, chocobo barding, Glamour items, trophy's, housing items, rare dye's. While lucrative!..............BUT. Just look at the sales history and see how many are sold within the last 24 hours. If it's literally 1 per week, 1 per month.....be prepared to WAIT to be lucky that you are the lowest price on the market board. This also goes for current ilevel gear, be prepared to play the undercutting game....for a while....and just getting deflated results. Sometimes those massive prices bring slow results.

I have been in sales and analytics for 15 years. Stick to your bread and butter items! Gross doesn't mean crap, when volume will win 99 times out of 100. I can make 2 million gil in a hour selling mats vs. selling 1(one) 580 ilevel ring for 100-200k in 24 hours.

This is how I became wealthy with gil, and able to drop 13-14 million on pentamelding. You have to put in the work!

The game also throws gil at you just for playing the game without the intention of making gil. Do a dungeon? You'll walk out a few thousand gil richer, as much as 20K for expert dungeons. Even more for roulettes. Challenge log has the potential to throw almost 100K gil at you once a week. WT is like a guaranteed 30-40K if you sell the map you get from it.

If all you do is log in and dance around the Limsa aetheryte, then yeah, you're gonna be broke all the time.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

You have to put in the work!

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you DO realize you said the one thing someone like the OP doesnt want to hear. "work"

effort is wasted time! they could be dpsing their way to imaginary virtual in game greatness!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

I have a full time career, married 10 years, 2 kids, 2 dogs, other hobbies and STILL amazed by people that can't earn gil in this game.

The QUICK gil comes from gathered mats. Ore, logs, skins, maps, potent spice, leaves (don't know the name), water, grass/hempen. This stuff sells usually PRETTY quick, generally within minutes if you price it correctly. Sometimes stacks of 99 sell outright, but can be better to sell in stacks of 49 for a lower price point and offer options to those with maybe less gil or don't want to spend a full 99 stack worth. This is gatherers bread and butter way of making gil. If you love spending time doing the same thing over and over, with youtube running or spotify on. This is for you.

The STEADY gil comes from crafted mats. Lumber, leather, nuggets, ingots, cloth, oil (culinarian), alkahest's. I rarely deal with undercutting when I sell crafted mats. They sell so fast and steady it's pointless to busy myself with the undercutting game. The sales on these are pretty much within 30min to an hour. This can be an if/then issue at times. If a patch is coming out, then make a crap load of this to rake it in as no price is wrong. If there isn't a patch, craft in moderation and be ready to adjust your prices before you log. This works best in a single item sell. I rarely put stacks on this unless it's something that needs 2-3 per craft. Crondite is a good example of selling in 12's, 24's, 36's etc. as some recipes need 2 or 3 ingots. The crafted items that need MULTIPLE items each are great cash cows. I generally do this type of crafting once a week and make around 2-3 million on average.

The WHALE gil comes from rare items. Current ilevel gear, EX plateing/crystals/gems, chocobo barding, Glamour items, trophy's, housing items, rare dye's. While lucrative!..............BUT. Just look at the sales history and see how many are sold within the last 24 hours. If it's literally 1 per week, 1 per month.....be prepared to WAIT to be lucky that you are the lowest price on the market board. This also goes for current ilevel gear, be prepared to play the undercutting game....for a while....and just getting deflated results. Sometimes those massive prices bring slow results.

I have been in sales and analytics for 15 years. Stick to your bread and butter items! Gross doesn't mean crap, when volume will win 99 times out of 100. I can make 2 million gil in a hour selling mats vs. selling 1(one) 580 ilevel ring for 100-200k in 24 hours.

This is how I became wealthy with gil, and able to drop 13-14 million on pentamelding. You have to put in the work!

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Agree with most, that last line though oooof. I have never spent more than a few hundred K on Penta's at a time if I'm short on something, zero on my DoH/L. Materia is as easy as Gil to get

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Originally Posted by Arrhin

Agree with most, that last line though oooof. I have never spent more than a few hundred K on Penta's at a time if I'm short on something, zero on my DoH/L. Materia is as easy as Gil to get

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Someone who's got a lot of their time taken up by outside pursuits probably isn't generating much materia through active game play. On the other hand, they can throw up items on the MB that will yield gil while they're offline. When they've already got the gil, they can spend it to buy their materia and save the time they have available to play for other content.

Both methods work. It all depends on how much time you have to play and where your main interests lie.

Crafting is boring every game. I only leveled one for the beast tribe mounts.

Knowing how to play the violin is actually a very important skill to know for driving, there's a lot of cross over knowledge there. In my country we make sure people can play the violin, drums, and at least two wind instruments before allowing them to apply for a license, but the catch is you also need to know guitars to get any car insurance that's worth something, most places any guitar is fine but some places INSIST that it's an acoustic guitar.

In the end, it's all worth it, it makes driving a much more rewarding experience, but hey, you can always ride a bike around for free!

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Originally Posted by Menriq

If you enjoy combat so much, why don't you transfer that passion into a combat sport? I think this is a very reasonable proposal.

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I suplex my dogs onto the bed all the time, then I give them belly rubs with the power of 10,000 suns.

i dont like levelling my crafters and i dont have a lot of gil to pentameld or buy gears. but i fully disagree with your post.

Pentamelding is not being gatekeeped by anything, nor is it a timesink. if you dont wanna level any DoL/Doh to earn gil then dont blame the game.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

wait until you hit 3 and have to end instances early due to eyestrain, because the devs learned nothing from the feedback about E6.

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"Hrm. So far, this raid's color scheme is... orange, and red, and yellow, and more red, and yellow again, and a slightly different orange... do you think we're missing anything?"

"Oh! Look, we used the same shade of yellow twice!"

"OH! I can't believe I didn't catch that. Good eye; we'll need to shift that from #FFFF00 to... hm. #FAFA00?"

"That sounds about right."

"Whew. That was a close one. Can you imagine if we released it in that state?"

"Right? Who'd be able to tell those two yellows apart?"

"Yeah, this is much better. The players will be so happy!"

[ cue quiet screaming from somewhere off-screen ]

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

This is how I became wealthy with gil, and able to drop 13-14 million on pentamelding. You have to put in the work!

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While I admit I went through about 9 million gil pentamelding my DoH/DoL Aesthete gear at the final bit of ShB after I ran through several hundred of each type of materia I had stockpiled (I did not have good overmelding luck that crafter tier...), and I managed to get through with only like 900k on pentamelding my gear this time -- mostly for one slot, because apparently all my bad luck was concentrated on that one particular ring -- I had someone mention in a despairing tone on Discord earlier tonight that they'd spent more than thirty million gil on materia for pentamelding their DoH/DoL gear in the past week, and I just about swallowed my own tongue.

To make that gear you're trying to pentameld, the crafter had to pentameld their own gear almost completely before they were even able to craft it for you. They had to spend the time and the money. They put actual effort into it. Something you actually stated you are opposed to. What you're asking for is to bypass the grind because you want to win right now. My kids sounded exactly the same when they were 5 and I wouldn't give them ice cream before bed. And if you were a crafter right now, you'd know that the market is steep and nothing is selling because of having too many crafters and too many whiny players like you who want everything handed to them for free. You already got ten levels and a free set of 90 gear just for watching a 14-hour-long movie. Now you want free raid gear and materia as well. Would you like someone else to push the buttons for you as well?

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

While I admit I went through about 9 million gil pentamelding my DoH/DoL Aesthete gear at the final bit of ShB after I ran through several hundred of each type of materia I had stockpiled (I did not have good overmelding luck that crafter tier...), and I managed to get through with only like 900k on pentamelding my gear this time -- mostly for one slot, because apparently all my bad luck was concentrated on that one particular ring -- I had someone mention in a despairing tone on Discord earlier tonight that they'd spent more than thirty million gil on materia for pentamelding their DoH/DoL gear in the past week, and I just about swallowed my own tongue.

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30 million I would have punched a hole in the wall with my voice. That's incredibly unlucky! I thought 14mil was...."exceptable"...as I have got it all back already...but man! 30mil is disgusting. Some are lucky...some aren't I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Diddums

I suplex my dogs onto the bed all the time, then I give them belly rubs with the power of 10,000 suns.

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LOL this made me laugh way to much. Plus my dogs are 90 pounds each. Heavy puppers!