Do You Think FF XIV Will Start Getting The Hate WoW Gets Because of The Cash Shop?

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

So you're upset that other people are happy? Sounds like a you problem.

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If that's what you got from the post either you're trying to manipulate or you are the one with a reading comprehension problem.

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Originally Posted by Ranhansha

If that's what you got from the post either you're trying to manipulate or you are the one with a reading comprehension problem.

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Or, you know, it's another you problem.

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Originally Posted by Ranhansha

Additional services, ok. Fantasia, ok. Items from past events for people who missed them, ok. Skip potions, ok. Leveling alters, ok.
Items that could be included as rewards for content/events that get snipped from the actual game, not ok.

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Good thing those items isn't added very often then. I agree some should be added to the game but I don't have a problem spending €25 or whatever on a mount if I really want it.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Aside from their initial offerings and old event items, the things made in the cash shop are 100% funded by things purchases made in the cash shop. In addition, 100% of cash shop profits go right back into the game. So yes, while some of the profits are allocated for new cash shop items, a large chunk of it goes towards QoL or things that the community wants but not necessarily high priority to the devs.

The biggest example being the last wave of housing wards.

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OK, then it sounds good. I am very sceptical when it comes to cash shops because i know the opposite. When the cash shop became the main cash cow then the devs started to prioritize it. A very good example is WoW. Patch 9.1.5 contains only recycled content ala mage tower. And truly new content assets are in a new cash shop mount.

I hope SQEX will never do such things. :)

Cheers

Doesn't matter how much hate something gets if people aren't gonna cancel their subs because of it. It's just extra money.

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Originally Posted by Ranhansha

Defending the cash shop because it's optional is the most absurd reason ever, yet it's the one I see tossed around the most. Do you know what else is optional? The story, trials, raids, glamour, housing, Gold Saucer, fishing, gathering, extra jobs every expansion.
You don't need all of that to enjoy the game and not everyone enjoys those features, but they are available for everyone in case they want to give it a try.
Additional services, ok. Fantasia, ok. Items from past events for people who missed them, ok. Skip potions, ok. Leveling alters, ok.
Items that could be included as rewards for content/events that get snipped from the actual game, not ok.

The fact this is not Blizzard does not mean this is something we should settle for. Also, not everything's great. Genderlock is a mistake. If Iuse a Fantasia (which I paid for) suddenly I can't wear some other items for which I also paid. And if you are a Viera or Hrothgar, chances are you won't be able to use the hairstyle but pay the same for them. MogStation is wrong on many levels but people refuse to see it because as long as they can pay 40$ and get their dopamine rush in exchange for their brand new mount or waifu dress, that's cool. S-E knows, and they play their cards, apparently, somehow, that makes them super good people because they are not Blizzard.

And before anyone says, you already support them with your monthly subscription, they are not dying, this is the most profitable FF game in history. At least be honest to yourself.

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I appreciate what you're saying here, but a few things (I've repeated this elsewhere, sorry for repetition)

1) A large amount of items offered are from past events. While I would agree they are overpriced, this is the most fair option as a) they can make new stuff for yearly events and b) it rewards players like me who have been loyal through the years by getting the items for free when it was an event.

2) The cash shop items are funded 100% by purchases made to the cash shop. Simply put, without the cash shop, those items you're upset about simply wouldn't exist.

3) All profits from the cash shop go directly back into the game. The money not used on creating new cash shop items (see 2), is used for things like QoL or "nice but not core" additions to the game, the biggest in recent memory being the last expansion of housing wards. The actual money made by the game itself fuels Square Enix as a business, not only FFXIV. The cash shop is the BEST way to ensure your money goes directly back into the game.

4) The game is fairly generous with free rewards. As an example, any new character I make starts with a ton of outfits and like 2-3 Fantasia. Almost every event (give or take Corona) has given something entirely new.

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Regarding some of your other concerns:
Regarding Viera/Hrothgar: I agree their implementation isn't ideal, but the disclaimer was there on the tin, so to speak. You know what you were in for when you signed up to play them.
Regarding Gender Lock: I also agree it's dumb, but again you know exactly what you were paying for when you bought it. It's clearly marked on each item in the mog store whether they are account wide, single character, men's or women's, etc.

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So, you can be upset if you want to be, but understand that you're either upset because you don't understand how the cash shop works, or because people are buying things you can't or don't want to spend money on.

It's not because Square Enix is being greedy. It's not because they're developing things for events then skimming them for a profit. It's not because they are removing content/rewards from the game and putting them behind a pay wall.

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Full disclaimer: I've not yet, to date, bought a single thing on the Mogstation.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

SE is putting out satisfactory content with good rewards for engaging with it. Blizzard currently isn't, so seeing cool rewards locked behind a money purchase feels, to use a ye olde General Discussion turn of phrase, like a slap to the face.

I am personally against all cash shops for a subscription based game, but until SE falters people will continue to drink the copium about the "profits going directly into the game", or something that was more rumor than anything else. We shouldn't be shamed into feeling like we need a cash shop just because SE won't give Yoshi's team the resources they need.

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I wish the profits went into the game. Then maybe shadow bringers wouldn't have been a huge content drought with half as much to do as previous expansions. >_>

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

People are already upset with the FF14 store (Cruise Chaser for example).
The difference is wow do it in a worse way than Square Enix, plus the fact the game is being supported partially or fully from the revenues and not end up in CEO pocket like in Blizzard, I think makes people more forgiving.

But the day we'd get a FF token, hell will break loose.

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WoW doesn't have a $40 mount or $18 outfits. I'd say FFXIV does it worse, personally.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I wish the profits went into the game. Then maybe shadow bringers wouldn't have been a huge content drought with half as much to do as previous expansions. >_>

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People keep quoting the Mogstation sales as being a reason why we get content, even though that should be from box sales and subs baseline. Still waiting on proof that these sales go right into Yoshi's hands, but I feel SE has almost Nintendo levels of "naaauuu they're our friends! Not a greedy company that would just lie to us!" I don't doubt a portion of Mogstation sales go back into FFXIV, but so too does our sub fee. It's naive to believe a bank account bleeder like a cash shop isn't funding SE's other projects as well.

All I ever see are people saying so, and no official word on the matter. People can enjoy their $30 whale, but be honest about it.