No longer able to log into Steam version with my non-Steam account. Why do this SE?

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Originally Posted by Evaddaragon

But that's exactly why I don't follow.

I stopped playing FFXI (on PS2 and PC and X360) in 2009. In 2017, I felt like getting the ultimate Seekers Collection on Steam. I could reactive my old character on Cerberus from way back when! Yeah, I thought it was deleted but apparently it wasn't. LOL I played about 2 months, then reactived again back in April in order to finish all main storylines (only Seekers of Adoulin remains, I even finished Rhapsodies of Vanad'iel) and get at least PLD to master status.

And it seems that if I wanted to get the Steam version of FFXIV, I couldn't simply log with my current SE account info? I couldn't even register the Steam version? This is nuts.

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This is another inconsistency. Logging into XI through Steam? Fine. Logging into XIV with Steam? Not fine. Both are MMOs. Both are MMOs from Square. Both are MMOs that cost the same subscription price.

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Originally Posted by JustJon

Track playtime with /playtime in game... DERP!!

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After 5 years ... I don't even want to see my playtime. :D

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Originally Posted by Granyala

After 5 years ... I don't even want to see my playtime. :D

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Oh yes .... I am afraid to look at that myself .
Maybe someone should make a thread about that ?

I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem.
Can someone explain?

So what I am getting is...
Those who have bought the game off steam, bought it again so they can have the full benefits
of Steam right? They have they blocked you from signing in your Windows version log in or blocked you from using the Steam features?
Or both?

I have my game manually added and I wish I could use the features. :/
But not willing to buy again, and if people are having issues with Steam (which I've seen plenty)
glad I didn't!

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Originally Posted by Connie-

It goes both ways. I'm plenty annoyed about having to disable the Steam overlay every time I want to play FFXIV and re-enable when I want to play something else with my Steam friends. It's just for security, I'm sure they have very good reasons and really it's only a pretty *minor* inconvenience to the players.

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I use the Steam overlay just fine with FF XIV, along with my Afterburner & Geforce Experience overlays.

What do you mean with "It's just for security"?

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Originally Posted by Jybril

I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem.
Can someone explain?

So what I am getting is...
Those who have bought the game off steam, bought it again so they can have the full benefits
of Steam right? They have they blocked you from signing in your Windows version log in or blocked you from using the Steam features?
Or both?

I have my game manually added and I wish I could use the features. :/
But not willing to buy again, and if people are having issues with Steam (which I've seen plenty)
glad I didn't!

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Yes. People had a non-steam windows version account and client. We bought the game again on Steam to use the integrated features of steam and steam games.

As of the 29th, we now Have to use the windows login client to access a windows account. The Steam login client does not work* for me and other people in the situation above.

*(At least in a way that still maintains an ability to log into FF14 with Steam detecting and reporting that I am online in the Steam version of FF14.)

This annoys me...
But, I could work around it...

It's the people who are dependant on steam for their controller functions that I really feel for...

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Originally Posted by Jybril

I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem.
Can someone explain?

So what I am getting is...
Those who have bought the game off steam, bought it again so they can have the full benefits
of Steam right? They have they blocked you from signing in your Windows version log in or blocked you from using the Steam features?
Or both?

I have my game manually added and I wish I could use the features. :/
But not willing to buy again, and if people are having issues with Steam (which I've seen plenty)
glad I didn't!

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I can't speak for everyone.

But my situation is that I bought the game on steam way back, which force me to buy the expansions on steam too. I wasn't keen on it but well didn't have a choice.

Problem is, when I install the game on steam it crashes all the time. So I installed the windows version and it worked just fine. But all of a sudden I can't log in even though I'm still subbed and I hear it's because I HAVE to use the steam version which is currently uninstalled.

So yeah, apart from being extremely annoying I'm also getting the feeling that I won't be able to play anymore if I still have constant crashes on the steam version.

And also I don't know what compelled SE to do that cuz it's utterly pointless.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem.
Can someone explain?

So what I am getting is...
Those who have bought the game off steam, bought it again so they can have the full benefits
of Steam right? They have they blocked you from signing in your Windows version log in or blocked you from using the Steam features?
Or both?

I have my game manually added and I wish I could use the features. :/
But not willing to buy again, and if people are having issues with Steam (which I've seen plenty)
glad I didn't!

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In my case, I started playing in beta and got the game. there was no steam option. I got the steam option (for perk/features that everyone else mentioned) once i found out about it. now I have to do a workaround to play the game and have no tracking.

but i do get to have a lovely "is playing ffxivboot64" now. so we got that going for us.

Please square revert this issue back to the way it was. I got the game for free through twitch then bought it on steam so I could track my hours and screenshots. Since I paid for this game I can't use it now on steam so we deserve a fix or compensation. I'd prefer the fix.

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Originally Posted by Takeira

I can't speak for everyone.

But my situation is that I bought the game on steam way back, which force me to buy the expansions on steam too. I wasn't keen on it but well didn't have a choice.

Problem is, when I install the game on steam it crashes all the time. So I installed the windows version and it worked just fine. But all of a sudden I can't log in even though I'm still subbed and I hear it's because I HAVE to use the steam version which is currently uninstalled.

So yeah, apart from being extremely annoying I'm also getting the feeling that I won't be able to play anymore if I still have constant crashes on the steam version.

And also I don't know what compelled SE to do that cuz it's utterly pointless.

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Originally Posted by _chance

In my case, I started playing in beta and got the game. there was no steam option. I got the steam option (for perk/features that everyone else mentioned) once i found out about it. now I have to do a workaround to play the game and have no tracking.

but i do get to have a lovely "is playing ffxivboot64" now. so we got that going for us.

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Originally Posted by Grodian

Yes. People had a non-steam windows version account and client. We bought the game again on Steam to use the integrated features of steam and steam games.

As of the 29th, we now Have to use the windows login client to access a windows account. The Steam login client does not work* for me and other people in the situation above.

*(At least in a way that still maintains an ability to log into FF14 with Steam detecting and reporting that I am online in the Steam version of FF14.)

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Oh dear...
And there was no warning? Even so, there's no reason for them to do this.
I'll stand by you all with this. The communication them and the players is appalling.
Even Steam reviews and going down because of this. Hopefully this was a mistake
and fixed ASAP, which should have been by now.
There's still people thinking they can't play at all so raising awareness to the workaround is a good idea. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Oh dear...
And there was no warning? Even so, there's no reason for them to do this.
I'll stand by you all with this. The communication them and the players is appalling.
Even Steam reviews and going down because of this. Hopefully this was a mistake
and fixed ASAP, which should have been by now.
There's still people thinking they can't play at all so raising awareness to the workaround is a good idea. Good luck!

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I think someone earlier in the thread said that "the change has been on something hardcore players read for months" or something like that but I just play the game and don't meta (I didn't even have a forum name until right now to add a me too on this thread and express my irritation about the matter). So even then, players like me wouldn't have know about it. I also think another statement said the post said the changes would affect steam players. Which I guess is technically true since it forces a steam account but it definitely affects windows license players like me who use the steam launcher so we can get steam perks.

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Originally Posted by _chance

I think someone earlier in the thread said that "the change has been on something hardcore players read for months" or something like that but I just play the game and don't meta (I didn't even have a forum name until right now to add a me too on this thread and express my irritation about the matter). So even then, players like me wouldn't have know about it. I also think another statement said the post said the changes would affect steam players. Which I guess is technically true since it forces a steam account but it definitely affects windows license players like me who use the steam launcher so we can get steam perks.

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hardcore players? meta? it's news on the launcher that everyone uses, not a banner on FFlogs, lmao.

i want them to change things back , this is not a good thing to implement especially without any way to change or game version cause i hate using steam and others want to. it was fine before , why must SE always mess up something

Figured out a bit of a workaround for this, once you have installed the Windows version and have that up and running and are able to login you can trick Steam into thinking you are playing the Steam version by first launching the Windows version through Steam as an added Non-Steam game and while you still have the launcher open, go ahead and start the Steam version. You will get a prompt that says The FINAL FANTASY XIV Updater/Launcher is already running. However as long as you don't click OK and leave this dialogue box open, Steam will still think you are running the Steam version and track your hours played correctly to the Steam version. Not ideal but at least you can retain all of the Steam features this way.

Well, I found out about steamedit, which edits your library entries rather straightforwardly, so you can edit the launch settings to allow you to play your windows account via Steam launcher.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

Well, I found out about steamedit, which edits your library entries rather straightforwardly, so you can edit the launch settings to allow you to play your windows account via Steam launcher.

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thank you!

So there is no way to login my non-steam account with steam app anymore?
Is there anybody know wether any solution?

So please how should I do? I just want track my play time with steam app.that mean you have solutions?

The only solution is for them to treat Steam as a separate platform, something Steam users have been asking for since they first mentioned this change months ago (we wanted to add Windows keys to avoid auth server issues should they arise).

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Originally Posted by archer4783

So there is no way to login my non-steam account with steam app anymore?
Is there anybody know wether any solution?

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Try reading the thread before posting.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

The only solution is for them to treat Steam as a separate platform, something Steam users have been asking for since they first mentioned this change months ago (we wanted to add Windows keys to avoid auth server issues should they arise).

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so far, as a steam-FFxiv user, there hasn't been any auth server issues at all. in fact, if you are a steam-FFxiv user already, almost nothing changed.

The only significant change has been Windows-FFxiv users can no longer "easily" use the Steam App to open their Windows-FFxiv version. There are workarounds in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

so far, as a steam-FFxiv user, there hasn't been any auth server issues at all. in fact, if you are a steam-FFxiv user already, almost nothing changed.

The only significant change has been Windows-FFxiv users can no longer "easily" use the Steam App to open their Windows-FFxiv version. There are workarounds in this thread.

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I have several performance issues with the steam client, even with overlay disabled.
So this change has been a sore thumb for me, and it would appear that the workarounds you mention have been somewhat moderated and deleted from the thread.

Edit: The performance issues are specifically for FFXIV run through Steam, i don't have the same issues with other games i own there.
I have tried to find a sollution to my specific issues but none have really helped so far.

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Originally Posted by Hitomi_Kitanoko

I have several performance issues with the steam client, even with overlay disabled.
So this change has been a sore thumb for me, and it would appear that the workarounds you mention have been somewhat moderated and deleted from the thread.

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Interesting, was not aware of the moderation. Im sure they can be found on the subreddit at least. the steam issues unfortunately require diving into your PC specs, drivers, last windows updates, etc. Im sure you dont want to get into it here, but steam uses so little resources its hard to imagine its the sole problem.

It's not that Steam drains resources, but i get DirectX crashes more frequently when launched through Steam, and global keybinds for VLC, Discord etc. don't work.
This is why i used the regular Windows client for several years, as it never had these issues for me.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

so far, as a steam-FFxiv user, there hasn't been any auth server issues at all. in fact, if you are a steam-FFxiv user already, almost nothing changed.

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They didn't go the auth server route rendering that fear moot at this point. They chose the other route that people have been working around.

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Originally Posted by illutian

EVE Online also had the game as B2P on Steam years before adopting a 'free2play' with sub option.

Point is, it can be done. Square is choosing not to.

Furthermore, they did a piss-poor job informing us. I sign in and immediately think something happened to my payment options, because the warning is a generic message. I had zero clue this was going on. No emails. No banners (the scrolling ones on the launcher).

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Yep, SE just does not want to put in the effort to manage platforms properly. An example of how to do it right is what Bungie is doing. They are transferring platforms, migrating everyone for free, adding cross-save, introducing a free version all at the same time while moving from battle.net over to steam. Steam is not the limiting factor here even though it has its own issues, SE just does not want to.

SE you might be able to censor users on your own forums, but since there are such simple workaround and how annoyed people are, doesn't this surely not suggest perhaps you should reverse your Steam/non-Steam requirements?