Is this really FUN in 2012 ?! A reassuring Dev's answer if possible?

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Originally Posted by lord_Niax

1.23 more prime fights!!:D

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I'm figuring Levi Primal Fight for 1.23.. seeing they didn't reveal much for 1.23, and Levi is in the PDF's so.. I'm assume it will be in 1.23! :P

I get to smack garuda's butt with pgl?:o

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Fights are fine, people are either ignorant or just bad.

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A fight where you can roll all range and not take any dmg is not fine lol. Granted the community sucks, and fights are easy to win with melees, but the fact is that melees are punished and ranged dd's are not. A lot of battles should be reworked to punish melees *and* ranged, otherwise community won't learn from its own stupidity.

Get CON THM MRD ARC to 50 and Game Over.

Normal fight Melee's are just fine.. its these stupid speed runs that people only bring in ranged for. Speed runs are killing my enthusiasm for the game. Best gear only from speed runs...

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hello everyone!

We understand your concerns with melee classes being left out because they are having a difficult time on some of the encounters that we have introduced because of the damage they receive compared to ranged classes.

We let the dev. team know your feedback so they will be making balance adjustments to allow melee classes to have a larger role in upcoming battle content such as the Garuda fight in patch 1.22 and what’s in store for patch 1.23. (While I can't give away any details about future battles just yet, I made sure to let the dev. team know that you're wanting new and dynamic encounters! ;))

Once the above adjustments are implemented and you have tried out the changes, we would love to hear your feedback about the current battles that have stirred up your concerns for the melee classes so we can look into these changes going forward. :)

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As much as I am fighting back the urge to say this. If you do a knee jerk and give melee an advantage over ranged... you are just in the wrong as when giving ranged an advantage.

Advice:

Balance ranged and melee, so the benefits of being melee balance the benefits of fighting at a distance.

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Originally Posted by Firon

That's true Jinko but the problem is you can just throw 6 archers @ it which is dumb. They need to make close range DD do hell of a lot more dmg or make more traps from ppl who like to sit back and fiddle their thumbs.

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only morons would throw 6 archers at Misser or Chimera. MNKS DO 4xs the dmg and can still not take any dmg. if they are they are either stupid/skill-less or the tank just plain sucks and cant hold hate/position well. On the otherhand the TIMED CHESTs need to go its not good for Linkshell relations lol.

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Originally Posted by Roaran

As much as I am fighting back the urge to say this. If you do a knee jerk and give melee an advantage over ranged... you are just in the wrong as when giving ranged an advantage.

Advice:

Balance ranged and melee, so the benefits of being melee balance the benefits of fighting at a distance.

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That balance, my fight, might come from melee having an advantage over ranged, that is entirely unrelated to the advantage that ranged currently has.

Well, going by the concept timeline and what not, 1.23 should have the White Raven battle. While a Leviathan and Titan battle would be cool indeed.

Would like to hear more about the Wandering Primal / Odin idea though.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hello everyone!

We understand your concerns with melee classes being left out because they are having a difficult time on some of the encounters that we have introduced because of the damage they receive compared to ranged classes.

We let the dev. team know your feedback so they will be making balance adjustments to allow melee classes to have a larger role in upcoming battle content such as the Garuda fight in patch 1.22 and what’s in store for patch 1.23. (While I can't give away any details about future battles just yet, I made sure to let the dev. team know that you're wanting new and dynamic encounters! ;))

Once the above adjustments are implemented and you have tried out the changes, we would love to hear your feedback about the current battles that have stirred up your concerns for the melee classes so we can look into these changes going forward. :)

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I don't know what to say. I just got all melle classes to 50, and I noticed a love for them from the devs. Meanwhile mages, which I like to play more often since the game inception, became a rollercoaster. I just wish the devs to settle down with mages, because while melee keeps getting better and better, mages are starting to piss the hella out of me. Being knocked down , disturb, have more than 8 monsters hitting you, disturb, walking and casting, disturb... And so on. I just hope that mages get some love at some point forward..

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hello everyone!

We understand your concerns with melee classes being left out because they are having a difficult time on some of the encounters that we have introduced because of the damage they receive compared to ranged classes.

We let the dev. team know your feedback so they will be making balance adjustments to allow melee classes to have a larger role in upcoming battle content such as the Garuda fight in patch 1.22 and what’s in store for patch 1.23. (While I can't give away any details about future battles just yet, I made sure to let the dev. team know that you're wanting new and dynamic encounters! ;))

Once the above adjustments are implemented and you have tried out the changes, we would love to hear your feedback about the current battles that have stirred up your concerns for the melee classes so we can look into these changes going forward. :)

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There we go, issue resolved ^_^

Maybe it's not so much the Jobs that need adjustments (although they will continue to tweak them) but rather it is the Bosses and NMs that need to be more dynamic so that a party needs to be balanced to be successful.

For example: Imagine a Morbol with it's multiple tentacles.

Party needs:
1 Tank to keep the Boss under control (cuz it would 1-shot mages)
1 Healer to keep everyone alive (esp the tank)
1 Archer & 1 Nuker to disable the melee arms of the Morbol (which are attacking the tank).
2-3 DDs to disable the Ranged-attack Arms of the Morbol (which are attacking the nuker, archer and healer).
1-2 additional jobs/classes to take care of the "trash mobs" that spawn/respawn and/or extra heals.


I have not fought the Chimera yet but I thought it was gonna be something like this:

1 head controls the enmity ( the tank focuses on this head)
2nd head casts enfeebling magic on the tank/enmity holder (nukers/archers focus on this head)
3rd head casts/shoots ranged attacks on the nukers/archers/healers ( DDs focus on this head)
Chimeras Tail melee attacks/enfeebles the DD's/tank (extra DD's or extra tank focus on the tail).

I realize it's a a formula that could get stale but there would still be room for Unique Boss Traits/Spells that parties need to strategize against. I just like the idea of Multi-Part Bosses that need to be taken out in stages.

Well, they could also start introducing party bonuses for having certain types of class/jobs in a party at the same time, a party wide buff. And, similiarly, a debuff of some nature when stacking more than say, 3 of one kind of class/job.

Now, that said, I could see in the future that becoming a problem. Like for instance when/if they ever include a syncronized spell, like they're doing in XI for Meteor..

And of course there's going to be the naysayers that say they're being forced to play a certain way, blah blah blah.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hello everyone!

We understand your concerns with melee classes being left out because they are having a difficult time on some of the encounters that we have introduced because of the damage they receive compared to ranged classes.

We let the dev. team know your feedback so they will be making balance adjustments to allow melee classes to have a larger role in upcoming battle content such as the Garuda fight in patch 1.22 and what’s in store for patch 1.23. (While I can't give away any details about future battles just yet, I made sure to let the dev. team know that you're wanting new and dynamic encounters! ;))

Once the above adjustments are implemented and you have tried out the changes, we would love to hear your feedback about the current battles that have stirred up your concerns for the melee classes so we can look into these changes going forward. :)

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I'm so glad you have all the time in the world to cater to DoW/DoM. How about giving their tools, errr, I mean DoH/DoL players some love too. How many months will it take for you to give a one sentence response to alchemists? Really now...

I'm really sorry to hijack the thread, but enough is enough already... (please see http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-shard-revamps and pass our concerns on to the devs too).

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hello everyone!

We understand your concerns with melee classes being left out because they are having a difficult time on some of the encounters that we have introduced because of the damage they receive compared to ranged classes.

We let the dev. team know your feedback so they will be making balance adjustments to allow melee classes to have a larger role in upcoming battle content such as the Garuda fight in patch 1.22 and what’s in store for patch 1.23. (While I can't give away any details about future battles just yet, I made sure to let the dev. team know that you're wanting new and dynamic encounters! ;))

Once the above adjustments are implemented and you have tried out the changes, we would love to hear your feedback about the current battles that have stirred up your concerns for the melee classes so we can look into these changes going forward. :)

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Awesome.

Thanks a bunch, devs. :D

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

FFXIV 2.0 is an ambitious and big project that everyone hope in (i left my old FFXI - WoW friends for XIV) , it has to compete with upcoming major mmorpg... In a period while action mmo are becoming the standard... From the current game we get this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB30O...710GL65NHoPqw=

I know that with 2.0 will bring us new engine and server. But Ifrit, or even the old batraal got better and more modern mechanics...
Or even old WoW vanilla fights are more dynamic and fun, this looks like an XI fight in HD.. An encounter anchored to the past that looks kinda boring and lame (10 mins of spamming action and magic in the same SAFE point.. Is this FUN for you? )

It was so hard to let sand trap, spawn random in the whole area..? Or to make pop the thunder cloud random on 1 member of the pt? so This didn't penalyze the ranged vs melee war? I don't think that 2.0 engine/servers were needed for this... *mumble mumble*

Same is with the Ant and Mistress... (Only Coincounter feels a bit more "fresh" )

When my friends saw the chimera fight video they laughed at me.. (they're on SW doing nightmare mode now, and i'm the only one still on XIV ) .. And the only thing that i could do was agree with them.. after i did so many hard fights with them (like Lich King HM first italian kill on WoW) chimera looks simply "old and boring" :mad:

So devs, can you assure us that 2.0 will bring us more fun, challenging and fresh encounter? At least at the same level that old and current mmorpg offers? Please?

Please don't write replies like go to play wow again, or SW, or anything "white knightish" , this is a serious thread, and i'd like to know what this comunities think about this. Thank you! :o

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Thanks for plugging our video buddy. For the record, we use melee dps on the all the fights. Going for clear = simple party tactics. But I must agree, that long ranged DDs need more risk. At least ifrit's eruptions made people aware.

One word, incapacitations.

Make fights actually require them and make them part of the battle regimen system when they put it back in. If they planned it well, it could require certain class combinations and get rid of this stupid class stacking. Maybe you need a monk and an archer for the incap, or a drg and blm, or a mnk and drg... the point is if they made it require a combination of two jobs to incap a boss and that incap was actually beneficial, we would be forced to stop class stacking.

P.S.

They would have to make each incap obtainable with more than one class combination otherwise it would completely take away from the players choice of what classes to bring.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hello everyone!

We understand your concerns with melee classes being left out because they are having a difficult time on some of the encounters that we have introduced because of the damage they receive compared to ranged classes.

We let the dev. team know your feedback so they will be making balance adjustments to allow melee classes to have a larger role in upcoming battle content such as the Garuda fight in patch 1.22 and what’s in store for patch 1.23. (While I can't give away any details about future battles just yet, I made sure to let the dev. team know that you're wanting new and dynamic encounters! ;))

Once the above adjustments are implemented and you have tried out the changes, we would love to hear your feedback about the current battles that have stirred up your concerns for the melee classes so we can look into these changes going forward. :)

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Balancement for melee, and more dynamic encounters (now we just need a confirm for regional servers ;P ). <3 That's what i wanted to see! Thanks Rukkirii <3

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

Balancement for melee, and more dynamic encounters (now we just need a confirm for regional servers ;P ). <3 That's what i wanted to see! Thanks Rukkirii <3

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These delays ARE NOT about server location... its about server/client structure.. even japanese guys experience these delays..


i have played tons of games on korean servers... even with an action aiming combat like in TERA and didnt have these problems and delays like in FFXIV/FF11. (even when just selling items!)

why do you think SE speaks in 2.0. about better server and client structures heh?!

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

These delays ARE NOT about server location... its about server/client structure.. even japanese guys experience these delays..


i have played tons of games on korean servers... even with an action aiming combat like in TERA and didnt have these problems and delays like in FFXIV/FF11. (even when just selling items!)

why do you think SE speaks in 2.0. about better server and client structures heh?!

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Yes, the greater problem is server structures, but imagine when this got solved, jp ppl maybe will have 50 ms of latency and EU players 200-300 in the better of the cases... SO if they have pvp and fast encounters in mind, we NEED regional server too.
Imagine pvp against a jp players... (and i'm not a pvp player) .. Or fight similiar to ifrit where jp are better than eu/usa ..

And lastly... a major SH like SE can't manage regional server, that even free2play can ? Uh? :/

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

And lastly... a major SH like SE can't manage regional server, that even free2play can ? Uh? :/

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Two things. For one, there aren't many games that are international enough to warrant multiple regional servers across the globe. Centralizing servers also has its advantages (like maintaining/upgrading servers). And second, free to play is, like many others have pointed out before, is not always 'free'. They too are running a business, after all.

Just wanted to point that out. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Excellent news Rukki Kitty :D

<--plots the destruction of Garuda

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You better give her a ball of yarn too!

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

These delays ARE NOT about server location... its about server/client structure.. even japanese guys experience these delays..


i have played tons of games on korean servers... even with an action aiming combat like in TERA and didnt have these problems and delays like in FFXIV/FF11. (even when just selling items!)

why do you think SE speaks in 2.0. about better server and client structures heh?!

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While there is a lot to be improved on the server/client structure, I can assure you that I (EU) experience much more delay than someone located in Japan. When I mine next to a jp player, I can never go by as fast. There is a very clear difference.

To the OP:

You want an answer from a dev to reassure the game is now fun? Thats like asking a salesman if their product is good. Of course it is to them, geez where do people come up with this stuff :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hello everyone!

We understand your concerns with melee classes being left out because they are having a difficult time on some of the encounters that we have introduced because of the damage they receive compared to ranged classes.

We let the dev. team know your feedback so they will be making balance adjustments to allow melee classes to have a larger role in upcoming battle content such as the Garuda fight in patch 1.22 and what’s in store for patch 1.23. (While I can't give away any details about future battles just yet, I made sure to let the dev. team know that you're wanting new and dynamic encounters! ;))

Once the above adjustments are implemented and you have tried out the changes, we would love to hear your feedback about the current battles that have stirred up your concerns for the melee classes so we can look into these changes going forward. :)

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Will you be making adjustments to the current fights to make them more melee friendly? While you can melee, and actually better to melee Chimera, some still look at it as inconvenient due to the conditions melee have to endure while fighting Chimera. Also, really hard to knock that tail off. I think he is hard enough without the conditions melee have to face.

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Originally Posted by Lilith

While there is a lot to be improved on the server/client structure, I can assure you that I (EU) experience much more delay than someone located in Japan. When I mine next to a jp player, I can never go by as fast. There is a very clear difference.

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That's what i mean... and the difference will be more clear with new servers system.. JP will have very low latency, while EU players will suffer at least 200-300 (being positive eh) ms of of latency .. wich is a LOT if they really have in mind PVP and faster encounter! JP players will have a lot of advantages in this way.

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Originally Posted by Jeffdogg

To the OP:

You want an answer from a dev to reassure the game is now fun? Thats like asking a salesman if their product is good. Of course it is to them, geez where do people come up with this stuff :rolleyes:

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I wanted to be assured for 2.0, i really don't care too much the current game... The greater problem of the actual battle system is that almost every battle is too much melee unfriendly, and off course too much static encounter (IMHO) ... Rukkirii answered to those 2 aspects that worried me, so i'm ok for now :P (hoping in action lock fix and regional server btw ;))

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Originally Posted by Roaran

As much as I am fighting back the urge to say this. If you do a knee jerk and give melee an advantage over ranged... you are just in the wrong as when giving ranged an advantage.

Advice:

Balance ranged and melee, so the benefits of being melee balance the benefits of fighting at a distance.

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Giving the melees an advantage in one fight, while the ranged keep advantages in all other fights... yeah that would totally suck.

I actually prefer this type of variety if that's what they're doing. You want JOB X for one fight, JOBS Y and Z for another, and JOBS J and K for another. Of course, every fight will be beatable with all jobs, but each fight's optimal DD job being different just seems like an interesting idea.

It would be very easy to fix diversity in a fight, make it so you have to incap certain parts in order to win. Not this you can deal without and eat the dmg. Make it a 9999 dmg ability like a full map "Tornado" if you don't incap garuda's wings. This forces you to bring certain mele classes.

Then everyone can QQ "waaa I dont' have a MNK to incap the tail how is our group going to kill it"!!!!

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Originally Posted by tachi

It would be very easy to fix diversity in a fight, make it so you have to incap certain parts in order to win. Not this you can deal without and eat the dmg. Make it a 9999 dmg ability like a full map "Tornado" if you don't incap garuda's wings. This forces you to bring certain mele classes.

Then everyone can QQ "waaa I dont' have a MNK to incap the tail how is our group going to kill it"!!!!

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Thing is, people shouldn't be forced to be diverse, they should be influenced. I want it so people can come up with their own strategies, rather it be a Manaburn party of a diverse party. The keyword is "influenced", not "forced".

I think people should be judged on how well geared they are, not what job they are on. Other MMO's were able to grasp this concept, even though there are some balance issues in those games also, I don't know why FFXIV can't figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

You better give her a ball of yarn too!

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Where are my manners? :O

<--hands out balls of yarn to all of the forgotten parties

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

I wanted to be assured for 2.0, i really don't care too much the current game... The greater problem of the actual battle system is that almost every battle is too much melee unfriendly, and off course too much static encounter (IMHO) ... Rukkirii answered to those 2 aspects that worried me, so i'm ok for now :P (hoping in action lock fix and regional server btw ;))

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Theres the salesman selling you stuff again lmao. Keep in mind he did say

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I made sure to let the dev. team know that you're wanting new and dynamic encounters!

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That doesn't mean nothing, its not concrete it just says he let them know. Not a single dev came on here to verify. many things can change between now and then to what you think he "promised/answered"..

I got a '64 pinto that gets 200mpg ill sell it to ya for $5 (great deal)

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Originally Posted by Jeffdogg

Theres the salesman selling you stuff again lmao. Keep in mind he did say



That doesn't mean nothing, its not concrete it just says he let them know. Not a single dev came on here to verify. many things can change between now and then to what you think he "promised/answered"..

I got a '64 pinto that gets 200mpg ill sell it to ya for $5 (great deal)

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Anything, can change from now to 2.0, however Why would they come here, waist there breathe, when they are "planning" to make Battles more Dynamic and fun to play?

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Hello everyone!

We understand your concerns with melee classes being left out because they are having a difficult time on some of the encounters that we have introduced because of the damage they receive compared to ranged classes.

We let the dev. team know your feedback so they will be making balance adjustments to allow melee classes to have a larger role in upcoming battle content such as the Garuda fight in patch 1.22 and what’s in store for patch 1.23. (While I can't give away any details about future battles just yet, I made sure to let the dev. team know that you're wanting new and dynamic encounters! )

Once the above adjustments are implemented and you have tried out the changes, we would love to hear your feedback about the current battles that have stirred up your concerns for the melee classes so we can look into these changes going forward.

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What I quoted in Red, The Dynamic Gameplay is really, already being set into motion! and after 1.23 any feedback you have after 1.23, will be investigated to see if that will help the games Dynamic gameplay.

Read Between the lines....

I can't wait to see the live letter that talks about 2.0, it should come before the e3 right :3 ?

i know what you trying to say but you know something no matter how hard you try to make other play ffxiv and join your fun time, it might not happen. Sometime you gotta drop the ball and join them.

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Originally Posted by yialee

i know what you trying to say but you know something no matter how hard you try to make other play ffxiv and join your fun time, it might not happen. Sometime you gotta drop the ball and join them.

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Hmmm i still hope that 2.0 will be so good that will change their mind :P

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Originally Posted by Shikaree

*Garuda goes into tornado mode*
Party leader: Dragoons! Jump, now!

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That would so rock.