Housing demolition timer need to be changed! Sitting on your property needs to count.

I know it probably cant happen because its a different engine so maybe they cant do similar, but I really liked Wildstars housing system. Everyone got a plot and you could do so much, literally build it yourself, I miss it.

I don't think housing should have timers at all if you have an active sub. It's very archaic. It'd be nice if tenants could reset the timer too though since we do have it. But really if you have a sub you should not have a timer.

Hey OP, it sucks I know... there have been warnings about demolition via patch notes, people posting about it, there is a in game timer that is buried in menus, and maybe emails that are unreliable, but I can understand your frustration that you lost your house. I can imagine it is very demoralizing. I personally think that house demolition should be tied to their subscription... but I don't see that changing any time soon.

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Housing in this game is a total disaster, and the vast majority of people are not happy about it. I've had access to a FC house basically since they first released, and I purchased my personal house as soon as personal housing has come out... so a lot the major issues that has plagued housing since the beginning hasn't personally effected me, but that doesn't mean the issues haven't gone un-noticed.

I hate that people and FCs who want a house can't purchase one because not enough plots are not available. That is really demoralizing for people, esp since housing is one of the selling points of this game at this point. Auto-demolish has helped that a bit... but then you get people like the OP who lose their plot out of ignorance, and that is super demoralizing as well. And honestly, I don't blame people for not knowing there is an auto-demo timer... It's not super well advertised, and the warnings are like I said before, buried in menus which you don't go to in game. On top of that, if your house gets auto-demoed... you have 35 days to pick up your furnishings. 35 DAYS. That is a super unreasonable amount of time to have your furnishings deleted... and for those who have spent IRL money on furnishings, it would be doubly frustrating to lose them.

I'm personally good about checking my house to reset the auto-demo timer... but there are spans of time where the only reason my house hasn't gotten demoed is because I actively go in there to reset it. Besides the beginning of patches (once every 4 months when they release new furnishings) I have very little reason to actually go inside my personal house. I use my house every day for gardening, but guess what... that doesn't reset my demo timer... which is why I wish the demo timer is tied to your subscription.

There are so many more things wrong that I could start complaining about... but I won't.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly against auto-demo... I think it is necessary at this point because the whole system is broken.... but that's the thing. The whole system is broken, and they really need to do something to fix it. I mean, you have people botting housing plots like it's HNMs in FFXI. It's freaking ridiculous.

Maybe adding proper instanced housing. I feel like they don't want to add any more actual wards because it effects SE's bottom line... Maybe instanced housing also costs too much for them? Idk, I'm not going to pretend like I know how much developing instanced vs adding more to existing housing effects their finances... But I'm sure there is some type of solution that would be cost effective solution for SE and also give people the housing that they desire.

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Beatifully put and I agree with everything that you said.
1. I feel like all the plots should me either Medium or Large and only available to FCs that have a certain amount of people in it to justify owning a house. Something reasonable like 10 to 20 people at the very least.
2. Since that's not the case I feel like housing should be instanced.

The reason the housing situation is such a fiasco is because it's not instanced and everything takes place in the actual game for everyone to see, hence lots and lots of data on the external part of the wards. If anything they should completely redesign the way housing is, make it FC only and if you want something personal you should get an apartment. Obviously they would need to redesign the apartments as well to make it more appealing to have one, either the size, the internal design or something else among those lines. But the rage wave that move would cause pretty much guarantees housing will stay the same for as long this game runs.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

So are we going to completely ignore the fact that someone was literally sitting in front of his house's door for an entire month and two weeks and not even once bothered to click on the door? It's something that takes 30 seconds! It's not a matter of attacking someone or not, it's a matter of someone complaining about something that could have been prevented if they actually cared about it, and they had an opportunity to prevent it every single day because they were not unsubbed. If they like the ward more than the fact they have to keep a house then ask a friend to share their estate. No obligations, same purpose.

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I'm not worried about what happened to the OP. What is sick is the fact that people are fine with those who have legitimate concerns about losing housing in situations they cannot control get hurt just so that people like the OP who derp up a mistake get hammered too. I cannot even comprehend the reasoning for that stance.

None of these posts have to do with what happened, which is OP didn't walk into his house despite knowing full well demo timer is a thing. Throwing that out there. I personally think housing being tied to subs would be only more detrimental to housing than it is now, since less houses would rotate and less players would experience housing who actually want to use it.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I'm not worried about what happened to the OP. What is sick is the fact that people are fine with those who have legitimate concerns about losing housing in situations they cannot control get hurt just so that people like the OP who derp up a mistake get hammered too. I cannot even comprehend the reasoning for that stance.

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No one in this thread mentioned any of the out of control situations but you, so... yeah not sure where that's coming from. Bad things happen in life, the devs tend to pause demo when bad enough things happen. If something besides that happens and someone loses a house, I'd wonder how important it was to them to not have someone log in and refresh the timer for them.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I'm not worried about what happened to the OP. What is sick is the fact that people are fine with those who have legitimate concerns about losing housing in situations they cannot control get hurt just so that people like the OP who derp up a mistake get hammered too. I cannot even comprehend the reasoning for that stance.

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In a situation like that I feel like if you can't step in Final Fantasy for 45 days because a situation you can't control, gaming should probably not be your top priority at the moment. It sure sucks, but I'm pretty sure whatever people might be going through in life for those 45 days of absence is more important than login on an MMO. And if something happens on a big scale, SE always makes sure to lift the auto-demolition system.

This is good. Now, we need SE to finally do something about those owning entire wards. Only fair.

Sorry to hear that Prophecy Star. That's crap.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

In a situation like that I feel like if you can't step in Final Fantasy for 45 days because a situation you can't control, gaming should probably not be your top priority at the moment. It sure sucks, but I'm pretty sure whatever people might be going through in life for those 45 days of absence is more important than login on an MMO. And if something happens on a big scale, SE always makes sure to lift the auto-demolition system.

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You assume. But I speak from experience having been through both disasters and a deployment. Yes the last thing one cares about during a disaster or deployment is a MMO house. But those situations don't last a lifetime. You eventually get power back, or get home. So it'd be nice to have a dwelling sitting there waiting for those of us who go through such events.

Currently there is flooding in much of the midland US. The system is NOT paused as demos happened a few days ago. Some peeps have lost their IRL homes. Its going to be a kick in the nuts for those that do play the game to find they lost their IG home as well. And I doubt SE will be willing to hold demo's everytime a military unit deploys. If that was the case, suspend demo's indefinitely.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

this goes even for the players who don't have a house who want one because if you were able to obtain a house and lost it in the same way I betcha 100% you'd be doing what OP is doing now heh.

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If it happened to me it'd be my own fault for not walking into the house I apparently spent a month and a half sitting in front of not using, just like it's the OPs fault for doing... that. Can't blame the game for your own choices, whether the system is a broken mess or not. :P

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

You assume. But I speak from experience having been through both disasters and a deployment. Yes the last thing one cares about during a disaster or deployment is a MMO house. But those situations don't last a lifetime. You eventually get power back, or get home. So it'd be nice to have a dwelling sitting there waiting for those of us who go through such events.

Currently there is flooding in much of the midland US. The system is NOT paused as demos happened a few days ago. Some peeps have lost their IRL homes. Its going to be a kick in the nuts for those that do play the game to find they lost their IG home as well. And I doubt SE will be willing to hold demo's everytime a military unit deploys. If that was the case, suspend demo's indefinitely.

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Demos are there for a good reason, so yeah no. Turning them off is just a terrible idea that would make a bad system worse. Like I said before, if it was so important that it made a difference in someone's life, they could quite easily have someone log in and step into their house once a month. There are very easy remedies for those types of situations (for housing not getting demo'd) IF it's that important to people.

I'm sorry but if you don't visit the inside of your house in 30 days you probably don't deserve it. I'm so tired of going around housing disctrics and seeing people with bare bones empty houses. Like why did you even buy it if you're not going to use it.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

this goes even for the players who don't have a house who want one because if you were able to obtain a house and lost it in the same way I betcha 100% you'd be doing what OP is doing now heh.

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Ye----ah no. See what you and whoever agrees with you fail to understand is that OP lost his house cause he was LAZY. He KNEW about the system. He knew enough to know " I better sit in my lawn so I don't lose my house" Funny about that was he was missinformed and had he did a tiny amount of research would've NEVER lost his house. I'm sorry but He not only knew enough to go and FIND a house but to sit there and not use it cause - lazy- and then get mad when it's taken cause he didn't do his homework? Nah fam you gets no pats on the head from me at that point.

Noone is attacking the OP. but people are NOT going to sit here and baby him either... and most likely would NEVER do it when threads upon threads are made about how getting one is hard as balls. To use an old qoute... you can't cry to poor people about not having enough money for a second house and a boat and not being rich enough and expect those same poor people to feel sorry for you.

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I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

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I know how the timer window works. I know that housing demolition is a thing in this game (though I dont think it should be). I know that all I have to do is go inside my house every month and a half (and if you arent growing something in flowerpots inside which facilitates going inside, you should be) and it wont go away.

Its entirely on me if I lose my house because I just dont care enough to zone inside 8 or 9 times a year.

Instanced housing is absolutely needed in this game. For those of us who love housing and decorating and want a million of them, for people like this who want it for status but never use it, for people who desperately want one but don't have time to wait for destruction timers... Non instanced serves very few people, and the only people it serves are those who want to lord their status over others, so even though in this instance I think OP is at fault, SE still needs to change their system, or at least add a separate housing system that is instanced.

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Instanced housing is absolutely needed in this game. For those of us who love housing and decorating and want a million of them, for people like this who want it for status but never use it, for people who desperately want one but don't have time to wait for destruction timers... Non instanced serves very few people, and the only people it serves are those who want to lord their status over others, so even though in this instance I think OP is at fault, SE still needs to change their system, or at least add a separate housing system that is instanced.

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Isnt that what apartments are for?

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Originally Posted by Prophecy

Show me in game notice link. I never seen it.

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I haven't yet gone through these 10 pages but in case anyone hasn't posted it yet,

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Isnt that what apartments are for?

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It's kinda a tradeoff is the only thing. You don't have to worry about the demo timer with apartments, and you get to decorate the inside, BUT you don't get a yard, you don't get cross-breed gardening, you only get access to one size (one FLOOR even), and you can't have tenants.

We have bits and pieces of good solutions in place right now, but housing system as a whole could definitely use a few changes/improvements.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Isnt that what apartments are for?

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Currently no... want to do crossbreeding, need a house. Want a place for the FC as a whole, need a house (that said, if they added a way to cross-breed in apartments, I would support houses going FC only). Even then, apartments are limited to 90 per complex (2 per ward, so 12960‬ per housing area, 51840 total per realm, which sounds like a lot but I aren't sure if it would be enough to be seen as unlimited)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Isnt that what apartments are for?

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Apartments cant:
Be FC housing(and all that entails, rooms for members, airship, etc.)
Access the gardening function.

Not to mention they are insultingly small.

If anything has to be changed with auto demolition timer, it's the ridiculously long period of time you have to enter your house.

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Originally Posted by Mew_FC

If anything has to be changed with auto demolition timer, it's the ridiculously long period of time you have to enter your house.

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Yea you would like that, give you a better chance to own more wards

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Originally Posted by Yllania

Yea you would like that, give you a better chance to own more wards

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I wouldn't recommend engaging. Hypocritical from me, I know, but still.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I wouldn't recommend engaging. Hypocritical from me, I know, but still.

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But the grind is borrrring I just want this dumb earing

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Originally Posted by Yllania

Yea you would like that, give you a better chance to own more wards

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Granted I will be adding another active service account due to the release of the expansion, I have no intentions of owning more than what I have right now. I give you a 3 out of 10 for the effort.

Its ok you get a 1/10 from me for using a fc house alt account. Post on your main coward.

I do wonder if they dont use hosuing instances because of some engine limitation. Im not sure what engine they even use.

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Originally Posted by Yllania

Its ok you get a 1/10 from me for using a fc house alt account. Post on your main coward.

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Nice comeback. What's a main service account anyway? As far as I'm concerned, I'm using all of them equally.

I googled it and they use their own engine crystal tools, which gave them a lot of problems with 13 apparently. I have no idea if that would even effect housing Im basically wondering about these things and cant find any real information about why they cant so Im looking through reasons I can think of. Queue is taking forever so I have time right now.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I wouldn't recommend engaging. Hypocritical from me, I know, but still.

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Yeah, about that...

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Originally Posted by Yllania

Its ok you get a 1/10 from me for using a fc house alt account. Post on your main coward.

I do wonder if they dont use hosuing instances because of some engine limitation. Im not sure what engine they even use.

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Nice comeback. What's a main service account anyway? As far as I'm concerned, I'm using all of them equally.

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Nah Im bored of that already I moved to engines.

I personally like the housing timer, simply because if I ever wanted to move and not take a hit on gil I would easily just wait out the timer, grab 80% of my gil and move on to another house. easy peasy.

I do think they should implement instanced housing, like ESO has, where there are houses in the field or cities and everyone can buy it and do what they want with it. I know they are sticking hard to the community thing, for some unknown reason, but there is no reason there cannot be both communities and instances. Yes there is apartments but they are embarrassingly small and lack a lot of the options actual houses have.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

I personally like the housing timer, simply because if I ever wanted to move and not take a hit on gil I would easily just wait out the timer, grab 80% of my gil and move on to another house. easy peasy.

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Someone doesn't know about the random invisible timer on placards that has forced people to resort to botting in order to compete for a house. On most servers purchasing a house without relocating isn't as easy as you say.

I bought a small house just to be able to relocate to a medium and have a fair chance lol, sitting there for 12 hrs clicking a sign isnt something I have that much time for. I dont want to spend my time off totally devoted to doing that when I most likley wont get it anyway because I looked away for a minute or am up against a bot.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Someone doesn't know about the random invisible timer on placards that has forced people to resort to botting in order to compete for a house. On most servers purchasing a house without relocating isn't as easy as you say.

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Someone does....I just have a plot I enjoy.

But I still like the timer, if I don't want my house anymore I can easily wait it out and get most my gil back. Plus depending on your server, its still not hard to get a house and you can switch it up like this easily still...

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

Someone does....I just have a plot I enjoy.

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If you do know about it then please inform me about how it's going to be so easy for you to buy another plot when you cannot relocate and you have to deal with the placard timer and most likely a lot of competition judging from the server you're on.

They might be on a deadish server.

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Originally Posted by Mew_FC

What's a main service account anyway? A miserable little pile of secrets.

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Sorry, couldn't help myself. Anyway, back to playing more 'vania.

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Originally Posted by Yllania

I googled it and they use their own engine crystal tools, which gave them a lot of problems with 13 apparently. I have no idea if that would even effect housing Im basically wondering about these things and cant find any real information about why they cant so Im looking through reasons I can think of. Queue is taking forever so I have time right now.

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And yes, this is the main issue on housing. It's the games framework.

Well this could all be fixed with apartments.

Start upgrading apartments.

Add balcony's with grass which can hold couple of statues or tree's and a garden seeing how that there is a chocobo stable outside you are set.
Expand the size inside then make a upstairs or door that leads to second floor of course if they wanna charge money for these upgrades whatever price gil people sure would pay it.
then at the first floor not inside the apartment have a door for a workshop which everyone can use if they go in its different and you can invite people in to craft the ships or go on voyages.

its not like they need to make more housing plots this could fix issue.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Also, I'm pretty sure your credit is damaged with a single late payment.

And most people I know go inside their house more than once every 45 days IRL.

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Oddly enough it is not if its revolving credit. Static credit ,yes revolving it's usually not.