Hempen Camise and Pantalette’s Appearance to be Race Unlocked: Show Support

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05-17-2019, 09:46 PM
RoroCookies

I will take anything that’s not the Female Highlander’s set. Please unlock them.
05-18-2019, 06:05 AM
CraftOs

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

Full agree. This said, I would be glad they drop the lock for all races start stuffs.

Unlocking the starter gear? Interesting, I’ve never thought of that, haha. Well in that case, hopefully they do! :)
05-18-2019, 10:02 AM
Rolanberries

Oh my gosh, YES. As an Au'ra, I would totally love to wear the Miqo'te version of the Hempen Camise. I know it's unlikely, but my glamours would look so much better!
05-18-2019, 12:07 PM
CraftOs

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Originally Posted by Rolanberries

Oh my gosh, YES. As an Au'ra, I would totally love to wear the Miqo'te version of the Hempen Camise. I know it's unlikely, but my glamours would look so much better!

The more you spread this topic around, the less unlikely it becomes. :)
05-18-2019, 12:48 PM
Canadane

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

Unlocking the starter gear? Interesting, I’ve never thought of that, haha. Well in that case, hopefully they do! :)

That would be a real drag. I'm still going to support more racial gear, not less.
05-18-2019, 01:45 PM
CraftOs

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Originally Posted by Canadane

That would be a real drag. I'm still going to support more racial gear, not less.

I can understand your argument about starter gear. As that actually qualifies as “gear”, but Hempen? I can’t understand. Hempen is simply glamour, it is not “gear” and was not intended to be so. But we will see what Yoshida says.

Also, we will support Hempen sets to be unlocked. :)
05-18-2019, 02:37 PM
Duskane

Not much need in the unlock of starter gear
All of them are pretty much the same besides Au ra,viera and hrothgar
05-18-2019, 02:54 PM
Fredco191

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

Full agree. This said, I would be glad they drop the lock for all races start stuffs.

I feel like unlocking the starter sets is going a little too far.
05-18-2019, 03:35 PM
Sandoria

I'd be down for this. I know it won't happen but I'd really like the starter gears to unlock as well. Part of my reluctance in going Viera is the inevitable loss of the super versatile Elezen boots and pants.
05-18-2019, 03:35 PM
Fawkes

I wouldn't mind the starter sets being unlocked, but they're all kinda bland and samey except for Au'ra. The hempen sets could be used to create a wider variety of looks. The female miqo'te and elezen tops in particular don't have analogues that you could use instead if you wanted to recreate a style.
05-18-2019, 09:15 PM
CraftOs

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Originally Posted by Sandoria

I'd be down for this. I know it won't happen but I'd really like the starter gears to unlock as well. Part of my reluctance in going Viera is the inevitable loss of the super versatile Elezen boots and pants.

Why do you believe this won’t happen? This subject seems to have a lot of support. And on the original thread, it has 200+ upvotes. Besides, all it is, is a single glamour set.
05-18-2019, 09:18 PM
griffinborn

I wear the camise on my Her, but I'm not crazy about the belly exposure. Would much prefer the femqote one.
05-19-2019, 01:58 AM
Fawkes

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

Why do you believe this won’t happen? This subject seems to have a lot of support. And on the original thread, it has 200+ upvotes. Besides, all it is, is a single glamour set.

I made a thread asking for it five years ago, so it's pretty easy to believe it will never happen.

And technically it's more like 14 glamour sets since it has different male and female versions for every race +highlanders.
05-19-2019, 04:56 AM
Canadane

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

I can understand your argument about starter gear. As that actually qualifies as “gear”, but Hempen? I can’t understand. Hempen is simply glamour, it is not “gear” and was not intended to be so. But we will see what Yoshida says.

Also, we will support Hempen sets to be unlocked. :)

"We" will probably not agree on what to support, I'm afraid. I think our ideals differ.
But to answer about the hempen set, it's just part of the collectively small amounts of RSE that we have. It's effectively one set per race, plus the hempen gear. We need more. Not less. My lack of support for unlocking these for all races is simply part of my support of having more race unique gear in the game.
05-19-2019, 05:32 AM
Sandoria

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I made a thread asking for it five years ago, so it's pretty easy to believe it will never happen.

And technically it's more like 14 glamour sets since it has different male and female versions for every race +highlanders.

Pretty much all this.^

I'd love to see it happen but it doesn't seem to have ever been a priority for Squeenix. I suspect they like having some stuff race specific too else they'd unlock other stuff like the hairstyles for everybody. From a business standpoint, why would they spend resources remapping old content when they can make new purchasable/earnable things. Also in the financial realm, racial differences give people more incentives to buy fantasias. Not saying I like it this way but I don't see them changing any time soon.
05-19-2019, 05:47 AM
SigmaOZ

I support this petition!...

I would also like all the running, standing, sitting and sleeping positions/animations to be unlocked to every race, as nature doesn't forbid wearing what one wants it shouldn't forbid positions or animations either!...
05-19-2019, 05:51 AM
CraftOs

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I made a thread asking for it five years ago, so it's pretty easy to believe it will never happen.

And technically it's more like 14 glamour sets since it has different male and female versions for every race +highlanders.

Oh wow, that sucks. :( I’m not really sure why this question gets ignored so much. It’s almost as if Square Enix doesn’t want Hempen sets to be unlocked, lol.
05-19-2019, 08:15 AM
WhiteArchmage

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

Oh wow, that sucks. :( I’m not really sure why this question gets ignored so much. It’s almost as if Square Enix doesn’t want Hempen sets to be unlocked, lol.

From what I vaguely remember there was some technical limitation thing about the hempen set being essentially a "layer 0" to all races, so it's harder to replicate the mesh and adapt it to other races. That said, I only very vaguely recall that being Yoshida's response ages back and idk how that leaves the Emperor's New Set since THAT seems like a real "layer 0" but what do I know?

...Still would like the Au Ra male set unlocked <.<
05-19-2019, 08:40 AM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I support this petition!...

I would also like all the running, standing, sitting and sleeping positions/animations to be unlocked to every race, as nature doesn't forbid wearing what one wants it shouldn't forbid positions or animations either!...

Hard no on this. At that point, may as well just have Midlanders, with glamour items to make the other races.
05-19-2019, 10:09 AM
CraftOs

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I support this petition!...

I would also like all the running, standing, sitting and sleeping positions/animations to be unlocked to every race, as nature doesn't forbid wearing what one wants it shouldn't forbid positions or animations either!...

I’m glad you support it, however I would have to be against the animations to be accessible for every race. Even if the community wanted it to happen, I bet the devs would still say no. Not even sure if that’s technically possible for them to accomplish.
05-20-2019, 10:59 AM
SigmaOZ

That kind of greed doesn't help the cause, Square Enix will never unlock anything race-exclusive!...
05-20-2019, 11:00 AM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

That kind of greed doesn't help the cause, Square Enix will never unlock anything race-exclusive!...

Good! I hope they don't :p
05-20-2019, 11:30 AM
FoxyAreku

I dunno, I kinda like having some outfits be race specific. This game is really lacking in racial identity .
05-20-2019, 12:21 PM
CraftOs

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I dunno, I kinda like having some outfits be race specific. This game is really lacking in racial identity .

Well, to be fair, this game is lacking in *many* aspects. Content, crafting content, customization, primals, and more. It’s really up to the devs at the end of the day. For example, so many people want a male Viera, but will they actually do that? I personally don’t think it’ll happen, as much as I would love to see people enjoy using it. SE’s FFXIV division just doesn’t seem to have the same priorities as us.
05-20-2019, 03:26 PM
Duskane

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

That kind of greed doesn't help the cause, Square Enix will never unlock anything race-exclusive!...

Perspective really can be seen as greed to keep them locked.
05-20-2019, 04:33 PM
Iscah

The one thing I'd really want out of the actual starting gear being unlocked is the Roegadyn/Miqo'te 'gloves' for adding long sleeves to any body item. I hope we can eventually get something similar but generic.

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

I am for the hempen being unlocked, but it would be cool to see additional racial clothing released. After seeing how the 2 Au Ra clans dress/act their racial gear doesn't really reflect who they are. Heck, even the Miqo'te's gear doesn't make all that much sense either.

The starter gear would actually work well for Xaela. I'm surprised we didn't see any of the pieces used for any of the tribes, considering what a weird mix of sources they drew from to assemble the different outfits.

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

We as a community come up with our own jargon, and “gear” just simply isn’t the correct term to use for what you are describing. That would be glam/glamour items.

"Gear" is not a community-established term (although "glamour gear" to describe Lv1 all-classes gear pieces possibly is). It's used in the game - eg. as in "gear sets" which can include glamour gear.

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Originally Posted by CraftOs

I can understand your argument about starter gear. As that actually qualifies as “gear”, but Hempen? I can’t understand. Hempen is simply glamour, it is not “gear” and was not intended to be so.

I can't understand your argument why the hempen sets are somehow "not gear" compared to starter gear. Both are level 1 gear with minimal stats, sold by the same suppliers.

Looking at the stats:

Any starter shirt: DEF = 7/9, MDEF = 15/18
Hempen Camise: DEF = 6/8, MDEF = 13/16

(No, I don't understand why there are two numbers for each stat.)

"Gear" means any equippable clothing item, and the hempen sets function exactly the same as any other gear piece in the game. I'm not sure why you have an objection to the term.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Talking about racial clothing only:
Current status: Only Hyur can wear A, only Miqo'te can wear B, only Lalafell can wear C, etc. Homogenized within the races.
More Homogenization: All races can only wear A. There are no other options.
Less Homogenization: Hyur can wear C top and B bottoms, Miqo'te can wear B top and A bottoms, etc.

Tell me again how more options equals more homogenization? Your mind must work some twisted and convoluted logic to come to that conclusion.

I think you're confusing the terms "homogenisation" and "variety".

Letting everyone wear everything gives an individual character more variety.

Only giving everyone a single option (where that single option looks the same for everyone) gives us less variety.

But right now we already have variety. There are 14 (soon to be 16) varieties of race-and-gender-locked hempen sets, unmixably split up into different strands or sections (Hyur + option A, Miqo'te + option B, etc.). They are heterogenous, the opposite of homogenous. A simple example is water and oil in a container - they're "together" but they don't mix, forming separate layers.

But taking something that is currently heterogenous and mixing it together so the substances are evenly distributed (everyone can now wear everything) is exactly what "homogenisation" means.

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Originally Posted by Valdima

I would like a male tank top. Thought I found one but it was just a hempen top, and it looks like a damn harness on me.

WHY!?

That's the male version of the "hempen camise" that's mentioned in the title of the thread. It looks different on all the races, and does tend more towards harnesses than the tank top that male Midlanders get (and is used as the unchanging icon).

Welcome to the pain of a female character who keeps seeing nice pants on icons, then tries them on to find they're yet another miniskirt.
05-21-2019, 12:35 AM
Aivi_lo

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I support this petition!...

I would also like all the running, standing, sitting and sleeping positions/animations to be unlocked to every race, as nature doesn't forbid wearing what one wants it shouldn't forbid positions or animations either!...

And the dances, yes please! I can fit into any scraps of fabric and copy any movements I see others make!

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