Ragnarok: Only EU?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

I cant understand why people who dont care about playing in a server full of asian or another timezone, are comming to Ragnarok migration threads to create apocalyptic posts.

---

If you don't understand what peoples` reservations are then you are deliberately being absurdly dense about it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vackashken

If you don't understand what peoples` reservations are then you are deliberately being absurdly dense about it.

---

Thats not his point.

If you are so severely bent out of shape about the addition of an "EU recommended" server start another thread, stop coming in here being negative and trying to convince people not to go to Ragnarok.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

Thats not his point.

If you are so severely bent out of shape about the addition of an "EU recommended" server start another thread, stop coming in here being negative and trying to convince people not to go to Ragnarok.

---

I'll do what I want - such as voice my opinion. I'm not trying to "convince" people not to go to Rag.

u are not doing it, u are trying it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

u are not doing it, u are trying it.

---

That's what she said!

BuDumBum. *jazzhands*

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

u are not doing it, u are trying it.

---

QFT +1.

/10 chars.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

u are not doing it, u are trying it.

---

How many times do you want to be wrong in a day?

Point to where I said people should not go there while my contention was there should be several EU friendly servers and people shouldn't be pigeon-holed. At no point did I say people should no go there. However, if you would like to try, quote me where I said it.

I'll come check in like ten.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

That's what she said!

BuDumBum. *jazzhands*

---

seems like someone dont know what are obvious ironies

i don't understand all these arguments.wasn't this thread originally about how NA or others feel about going to Ragnarok?
i feel like this discussion has derailed to nirvana.
yet i was interested in hearing comments/opinions from NA/SEA players how they feel about ragnarok.
can't have a serious discussion on a non-serious board after all.

I'm NA, I'm not going the Raggy Rock because it's going to fail and I'm just going to end up going somewhere else anyway

Quote:

---

How many times do you want to be wrong in a day?

---

i am happy just being 1 less than u.

Quote:

---

Point to where I said people should not go there while my contention was there should be several EU friendly servers and people shouldn't be pigeon-holed. At no point did I say people should no go there. However, if you would like to try, quote me where I said it.

---

you dont say things directly, u use negative sentences to talk about migration to Ragnarok and a second later u said positively how good you are in your LS, like your minority is a rule.

Quote:

---

People want to meet others from all over the world. If people want to want an EU server can I demand Balmung (where Fabul is going) be called the EU/NA server?

---

People want to meet what people want to meet, not what YOU want to meet, stop talking like you are The People.

Quote:

---

If people want to want an EU server can I demand Balmung (where Fabul is going) be called the EU/NA server?

---

Quote:

---

I still demand Balmung be called the NA/ EU server :P

---

Quote:

---

You could always give us and Balmung a try.

---

Quote:

---

If it doesn't work out feel free to come here. We do Endgame stuff at least 3 times a week, blah blah blah and all that

---

Quote:

---

Perhaps its a shame you're not coming to Balmung?

---

Quote:

---

You've got a large very organized EU LS moving to Besaid/Balmung as is. Might not need to move.

---

You can create your "We are Balmung, love us" Thread and stop this for example. is just a matter of education.

You are just asking for more than 1 EU server, like you know, EU people can fill more than 1 server. I dont know it, first i want an EU server, Ragnarok. Later, if it work fine and is filled is time to ask for more like Ragnarok. You are asking for more, or just asking for your server to be a EU official one, coz you dont want to move coz your bonds.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

i am happy just being 1 less than u.



you dont say things directly, u use negative sentences to talk about migration to Ragnarok and a second later u said positively how good you are in your LS, like your minority is a rule.



People want to meet what people want to meet, not what YOU want to meet, stop talking like you are The People.








You can create your "We are Balmung, love us" Thread and stop this for example. is just a matter of education.

You are just asking for more than 1 EU server, like you know, EU people can fill more than 1 server. I dont know it, so i want the First US server Ragnarok, to try work, before asking for more, or just asking for your server to be a EU official one, coz you dont want to move coz your bonds

---

So me saying something good about Bel and my CS means don't go to ragnarock? Way to firstly take things out of context and secondly not even do what I asked. NONE of those things say don't go to Ragnarock. At NO point did I say people shouldn't go there. At no point, with your wall of crap did I say people shouldn't go to Rag but come here. It was a civil conversation were I said you could try us and if you don't like it, go to Ragnarock.

None of that had to do with ANYTHING I said as to why I don't like a EU LS which was already rectified by a French gentlemen.

You sure you want to keep this up? Because you're failing miserably to scratch together a point.

I'll ask you again. Quote me where I said nobody should go to ragnarock. Not some ridiculous out of context text quotes.

Raistlin - walk away - walk away !!

Sorry Jinko but once jaws are locked it'll take 4 people to pry them apart.

sure, i can go Mcdonald to say burger king is better ^^


i didnt say you force people to go balmung, i said is a matter of education. I dont go others servers threads to said, hey Ragnarok will be amazing, and my LS beat primals in 3 minuts. education, that all.

Quote:

---

Because you're failing miserably to scratch together a point.

---

i laught xd

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

sure, i can go Mcdonald to say burger king is better ^^

---

Uh huh.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

i didnt say you force people to go balmung, i said is a matter of education. I dont go others servers threads to said, hey Ragnarok will be amazing, and my LS beat primals in 3 minuts. education, that all.

---

Education of what? How much bollocks you can puke up in one thread? How many times you can try and misconstrued a persons words? Again, you took what I said out of conversation - not the crux of my previous issue. That was a personal convo in this thread between me and another. At no point did it reflect my whole argument or the arguments of others who aren't going to server 10. You're trying to nail me by me saying to one person maybe you should come here if you don't like Ragnarock? Seriously? Thats your point and why you keep trying to scratch together some kind of ridiculous argument?

My point was there shouldn't be a lone EU server made by SE. People should have the choice of several servers and not punish people who choose not to move there. So because I believe there should be MORE choice makes me selfish or whatever tripe you're prattling on about? The irony in that is so sweet my teeth ache. yet even still, so not to go on about it my concerns were answered by a French gentle to which I said OK, cool no longer an issue to me. Yet here you are, still trying to save face by droning on about things that were taken out of context or just flat out, laughably, wrong?

Are you sure you still want to keep going on?

Do you really have nothing better to do than berate and belittle people over the internet ?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

Do you really have nothing better to do than berate and belittle people over the internet ?

---

Yeah, if people are twisting my words and slandering me you better believe I am going to spend some time refuting it.

lol talking like u are winning dont mean you are winning, stop that coz u make me laugh xD u are obviously doing what i said, and u want now to "hoho i was not doing that, so i won" ok you won ^^ have fun with it, but all in this thread read your posts xD

I just said you dont need to write around 6 posts (proof up) talking about balmung server on this thread to explain why you dont like Ragnarok as a EU server. We got it, you want more EU servers around the world, all mixed with more communities, we got it long ago.. but i prefer a good one than 4 bad ones ^^ sorry.

anyway, good luck with your server.


PS: twisting your words... sure, Quotes are twisting!!!

How about 1 bad one?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

lol talking like u are winning dont mean you are winning, stop that coz u make me laugh xD u are obviously doing what i said, and u want now to "hoho i was not doing that, so i won" ok you won ^^ have fun with it, but all in this thread read your posts xD

---

Uh huh

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

I just said you dont need to write around 6 posts (proof up) talking about balmung server on this thread to explain why you dont like Ragnarok as a EU server. We got it, you want more EU servers around the world, all mixed with more communities, we got it long ago.. but i prefer a good one than 4 bad ones ^^ sorry.

---

Are you dense? See, this is what I mean and why I said you took a bunch of quotes out of context to the meaning of my contention? My argument wasn't a comparison to Balmung to Ragnarock. It was that it would have pigeon holed the EU community and punished the ones who don't go to rag in the long run. That the game (FF series) is about multiple communities playing together making a collage player base. Not EU/JP/NA. That its not fair to people who aren't going to 10 in the long run because people just joining won't be aware there are other EU places to go.

Instead you tried to turn a personal convo into the crux of my worries trying to me portray me as selfish when I want more options all around?

And then when the French gentlemen pointed out the EU tag would be temporary, to which I said OH OK I have no more worries, you still continue to puke up this crap. Sorry, but your post are tripping with an interesting amount of hypocrisy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

PS: twisting your words... sure, Quotes are twisting!!!

---

Twisting my words by taking quotes totally out of context to fit your agenda as explained above.

You are effing outstanding

Quote:

---

That the game (FF series) is about multiple communities playing together making a collage player base. Not EU/JP/NA. That its not fair to people who aren't going to 10 in the long run because people just joining won't be aware there are other EU places to go.

---

seems you know more about FF than SE recommending us an EU server. Probably (i cant say for sure like u do some things) because they can see how many conections from EU go to each server, and they "probably" saw that there was insufficient people per timezone, but you should teach SE how to do it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raistlin

seems you know more about FF than SE recommending us an EU server. Probably (i cant say for sure like u do some things) because they can see how many conections from EU go to each server, and they "probably" saw that there was insufficient people per timezone, but you should teach SE how to do it.

---

... Uh huh

Vack your concerns regarding EU players going to server 10 regardless of if the tag stays or goes is your problem, you are choosing to go to Balmung so you have to take some reposibility for that.

There will always be server transfers later down the road with 2.0 if the worst came to the worst.

Obviously we have conflicting information from the French lodestone as to whether the tag will stay, it may not even appear as a tag in the character customisation for that matter.

Japanese post mentions that it will be temporary aswell.

Google Translate not perfect but does the job.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by French Translation

The World "Ragnarok", newly created, will be recommended to players of European time zone. This device, temporary, intended to bring these players to the small staff to enable them to find partners more easily and improve their playability This is however by no means a requirement. Players from other regions may also migrate to this new world.

It should be noted that if the number of players on this World proved too weak after the merger and it became difficult to play in good conditions, we could for example consider merging it with another, or to launch migration to a campaign it. So be reassured about the future of this world and do not hesitate to consider it as a potential destination.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by German Translation

"Ragnarok" is recommended for players in the European time zone. This would involve European players who were on the previous worlds in the minority, are easier to come together and form groups. It is, however, said only a recommendation. Access to this world is not restricted, and even players from other regions can change this world.

Since "Ragnarok" a whole new world, it may be that not enough players to change these servers to ensure an exciting game. In this case, we will merge the new changes allow other servers or "Ragnarok" to another server. So you can safely go to worlds this server.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

Vack your concerns regarding EU players going to server 10 regardless of if the tag stays or goes is your problem, you are choosing to go to Balmung so you have to take some reposibility for that.

---

I never had a problem with EU going to Rag. Its very understandable for the stragglers or people wanting more of the same people who speak their language. I don't have a problem at ALL anymore which I said several pages back. Thats why I keep saying why are you (not you) still going on about this? This ended for me some time ago.

However, if that tag remains saying ten is the end all be all EU server we can start this all over again.

Yup I can only hope a comunity dev will look into this and find out one way or the other.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

Yup I can only hope a comunity dev will look into this and find out one way or the other.

---

Yes indeed this would be helpful. Although they might not even have decided in any adamant way until data is in. So this could be up in the air until they fully understand if 10 will be needed/kept.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tonkra

Well we, from Tears Of Dragons (GERMAN) tend to go to RAGNAROK (i think its an awesome server name^)

---

Little plan change. It seems we go to Ragnarok, too

You are Welcome ^^

Después de leerme las múltiples páginas de este hilo sólo me queda decir una cosa.... Que alguien le pegue un tiro a este Vack jajajaja

PD: Contad con Ominous en el server Ragnarok.

La Violencia no es una respuesta.

Recuerda que el mal que deseas para otro te viene

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

La Violencia no es una respuesta.

Recuerda que el mal que deseas para otro te viene

---

Nahh, hablaba en coña, es por lo de que no para de taladrar con lo mismo una y otra vez :p

I must say this temporary tag thing is a big issue for me. V2 is when there will be a large increase in players, if it's just going to turn into another international server with EU spread everywhere then I'll be no better off on Ragnarok. Even when XIV was released and had a lot of players there still wasn't an EU linkshell on Wutai so spreading the EU population thin again at V2 doesn't give me much hope.

On the other hand if I moved to a completely different server and joined an EU linkshell there I'd be totally screwed if the linkshell died because all new EU players would be going to Ragnarok. People quit over time so one could assume such linkshells will become more international over time until there's not enough EU players left to schedule events in EU prime time.

The whole thing is a mess. It's tempting to just stop playing until V2 and see what the situation is.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alkel

Why would you have to speak french or german to play with fr/de people?
Back in FF11, i was in an EU linkshell with a mix of Fr/De/Uk and some NA people. Everyone was speaking english. We were able to accomplish endgame content without a problem.

The purpose of this server is not to have french LS on one side and german ls on another side.

Im french and i will maybe have a social LS with french speaking only, but for doing endgame, i expect to be on a EU ls with people from all over the globe, and of course we will all speak english.

---

I think people will speak what the majority of their LS speak. I mean if you joined an LS dominated by Japanese players would you expect them to speak English (or French) or would you accept that you're the minority and they should expect you to have an understanding of Japanese?

Ideally you'd get a mixed EU LS with everyone speaking a common language (English) but you're likely to get the population dividing themselves into native language LSs when there's enough to do so, even for end-game events. If 90% of a linkshell is French I could never join it and expect them to speak English, it wouldn't be right. Similarly you wouldn't join an LS with 90% UK players and expect them to speak French. If it was closer to 50% then fair enough it could go either way. I've heard of German, Spanish, French LSs moving to Ragnarok but not any mixed LSs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

Have you considered starting your own LS when you move there, I'd be willing to join if I do move over.

---

I'm not sure I would want to. The time involved to run a top LS is huge and I'd want it to be the best. I'd lose interest if it didn't attract enough people with that mindset.

the concern i have about this world is that loads of french, spanish players will go over to it, but as english speaking uk player there may not be as many english speaking players at the moment that go to this world, i wondering if it be better to go here or to stay on current world which will merge into new one

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MaxWinter

the concern i have about this world is that loads of french, spanish players will go over to it, but as english speaking uk player there may not be as many english speaking players at the moment that go to this world, i wondering if it be better to go here or to stay on current world which will merge into new one

---

This is a worry, I don't know why SE didn't do an offical poll asking if players would be interested in an EU server and giving us detailed results to show what the population would be like.

If the server fails its because SE didn't do their homework.

Dunno, not sure to stay on my server (love my ls) or to move more EU based.. hard choice, not knowing if it will improve playability either..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MaxWinter

the concern i have about this world is that loads of french, spanish players will go over to it, but as english speaking uk player there may not be as many english speaking players at the moment that go to this world, i wondering if it be better to go here or to stay on current world which will merge into new one

---

practically 80% of EU players can speak english, not only UK

Temporary tag is a good thing. Why should the rest of us who don't want to go be punished for it in the long with never seeing an influx of new EU players.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vackashken

Temporary tag is a good thing. Why should the rest of us who don't want to go be punished for it in the long with never seeing an influx of new EU players.

---

Nope, long term tag is better. XD

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

Nope, long term tag is better. XD

---

Shush you!