I'm a level 67 paladin... Who does not know how to tank.

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Originally Posted by Zeldert-Castiel

My guess is job level boost since it's funny if he can reach level 67 through roulette...

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I consider job level boost to be cheating. I did everything from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

There are others things about this person. Heck they're on my server and just came up to me and sent me a tell, saying they were a better Goldsmith than I was. Then asked if I was jealous.

News flash ....

You say you are the leader of an RP guild. You might want to get off your holier-than-thou attitude and stop stroking your ego, @Super_Bee_Brian. It's more than likely the reason no one wants to be in your guild let alone your presence, and why many have you on ignore.

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Dude, it was a joke.

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Originally Posted by Super_Bee_Brian

Dude, it was a joke.

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This is the kind of joke you have with a close friend, not a complete stranger.

Ppl managed to make this thread interesting for all PLD out there.
Author....not rly -.-

Thanks for all the advices. I have learned a lot for my tank :)

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Originally Posted by Super_Bee_Brian

Dude, it was a joke.

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Hence why you jumped around me and hung around like you were trying to get a rise out of me.

Shared it with my FC, and we checked your search info. Let's just say we all had a big laugh at it and you.

Funny how it's all of a sudden a 'joke' when it comes to light what you did. /shrug

I dont tank, but have friends who do all the time. The disparity could be different levels in tank experience and patience from the others. Some who tank religiously and well could be extra critical of you, because they know you’re “doing something wrong”. Some could see you doing bad but not care. Some could just not know anything about tanking at all and think “well I didn’t take mobs to the face so they must be good. PLAYER COM!”. Happens all the time.

But even with my VERY limited tank experience, I know you’re doing something wrong. You SHOULD be using shield lob. There’s no reason not to. You should make use of your full kit, not just a small portion of it. And that can be said for all jobs really.

Edit: and don’t mistake getting commendations as a “good job!” Or “this tank is so good” because comms have various meanings. Could be a “good job”, but also be “I like their name”, “oh, they seem nice”, “your glam is awesome”, “I feel pity for you”, “I don’t know who to give it to, so I’ll just give it to one of the most obvious choices regardless of skill”, “your character is so good looking”, or my favorite “you’re wearing my favorite color!” -gives comm-. Getting commendations doesn’t mean you did a good job, so don’t use getting them as an excuse not to play better/properly.

Not to sound mean about this but...if someone starts complaining that I accidentally lost ONE mob to overaggro and suddenly they get all pissy, I simply tell them to replace me.......I mean it's not like there's a huge lack of tanks right?

Seriously they should be glad a tank is able to, well, tank and survive, more props if it's able to survive and help the team in crutch situations.

But complaining for silly reasons requires silly measures, so I hope they'll enjoy waiting in a queue for X minutes and possibly ruin their run because "of that ONE single mob that he didn't aggro JUST right"



But in all sincerity, as long as your team DOESN'T DIE - no matter what the reason - this kind of discussion is to be mandatorily ignored. You live? good, now move forward.
If you let them die then, well, that's a different story.

this should help you

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If you're using the standard controls your right mouse button is your best friend, while holding your right mouse button you can turn 180 degrees and run from an AOE in a fraction of a second. Practice holding your right mouse button and doing a 180 degree turn, back and forth until your comfortable with the short flicking motion. Being able to dodge every AOE is one of the essential parts of being a tank. I never let go of my right mouse button in a boss fight. The second is keeping the enemies facing you and not your enemy. What I usually do is use my enmity AOE ability to pull aggro on the group of monster once. Then i run forward and turn around so the monsters are now facing me and not my party. Then i use my enmity aggro ability one or two more times then i focus on doing damage. Although, really as a tank doing damage is the last thing you should be thinking about. Leave that to your DPS party members. You might speed things up a little bit putting out as much damage as you can but really it's completely unnecessary. Another thing that I think is really important is asking questions. Any time you go into a boss fight you aren't 100% familiar with you should ask your party members if there's anything you need to know. Then, once you understand these fights you should always take a moment to explain to the party members what you'll be doing and what they should be doing. You should also try to always be attacking the same monster that your DPS party members have targeted, this will reduce the number of monsters attacking you faster which will make the fight easier on the healer. Obviously sometimes that's impossible each of your party members may target a different monster so the best you can do is choose the one that seems to be dying the fastest. Another thing which may benefit you, i know with warrior which is my class i have attack abilities that have the side effect of restoring my health a little bit. Once you've established aggro using attack abilities that restore your health repeatedly can help ease the stress that's put on your healer. A good tank is really the leader of the party, you're the first one to attack, you need to manage the position and attacks of the bosses, be ready for every AOE, and most importantly you need to be able to hold your own. Using your defensive abilities at the right moments so you can survive while your healer attends to themselves or the DPS is what will separate you from the decent tanks to being a good tank. Managing your defensive buffs and abilities that can give you some health could be the difference between you needing a raise and you controlling the fight. One more thing that I've been told will help you improve a lot is playing a healer. Being the healer will make you aware of everything the tank is doing, then you can understand what you want the tank to do, and you can apply that to yourself.

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Originally Posted by Super_Bee_Brian

Dude, it was a joke.

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...I once made a joke to a complete stranger. He threatened to report me for rescuing him into an AoE (that’s what i did) that did not kill him.
The lesson there is to only prank your friends. Or makes jokes with them in your case.

Anyway. I don’t have any advice that people haven’t already given.

Shield Oath, have it up all the time.

The only real reason you could have to not have Shield Oath is if there is a second tank and you're not gonna be tanking.

Flash a lot, at least 3 times, and Circle of Scorn is off the global cooldown and should be used between Flashes.

For bosses, use the Enmity combo, Fast Blade -> Savage Blade -> Rage of Halone.

For tankbusters, now that PLD can block magic damage as well, Sheltron (or Bulwark).


And if you notice you are losing aggro on a mob, start doing the enmity combo on it.


And a general note, outside of Savage or Extreme, you shouldn't worry too much about your damage as a tank, that's the DPS job. Just focus on enmity and surviving.

On top of a lot of other people's perspective on tanking, I would also recommend to ignore those who call you garbage. A LOT of those people have never tanked or don't know what they are talking about. Don't take what they say to heart they are just assholes who are full of themselves. I'm a 61 PLD main and my early tanking days I remember this guy who was just a complete dickhole. He constantly bitched about me keeping agro during bosses... when those bosses randomly attack people. He also complained that I didn't use flash or anything, called me garbage, he was a complete idiot who didn't even know the mechanics of bosses. Anyways, people like to bitch just to bitch. Ignore them and have fun. I refuse to play with people like that. I will leave a dungeon as soon as I hear ANYONE talk shit to me, instant ignore and leave. They can then spend 10-15 minutes looking for another tank.

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Originally Posted by Super_Bee_Brian

It's not so much that I don't know how to tank. It's more like, I don't understand it.

Seriously... In dungeons, 40% of the time people are neutral about me, 30% they love me, and 30% think I'm garbage. For example, these past few days I've spammed that Shisui of the Violet Tides dungeon about a dozen times. The first 11 times I got a bunch of commendations. And the last one, one of the players said the following...

You... (dramatic pause) ... are garbage.

Here's my basic formula for drawing aggro...

Move forward. Once the monsters are close, I use flash twice, and then fight.

Here's my formula if it's a boss...

Move forward. Once the boss is close, I use that ability, whatever its called (the one that supposedly puts you on top of its enmity list or something), and then use flash twice.

90% of the time I draw aggro successfully. But for some reason, the rare times I fail, I get scolded severely by the other players.

I don't understand. Why the inconsistency in people's view of me as a tank? If I suck, I should suck all the time. But no. Whenever I get complimented, I get insulted as well. It's really bugging me.

I never use that ranged shield attack and I never use that weak-butt rotation that increases enmity. I've gone this far without them and I prefer to keep it that way.

What are your thoughts about my confusion?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Super_Bee_Brian

There's one thing that you're wrong about. Most of what you said is good and helpful, and I thank you for that. But you're wrong about one thing.

Any community, whether online or offline, social or business, needs an egomaniacal leader. History will tell you this as well, not just me. The greatest military leader of all time, surpassing Caesar and Alexander, is Napoleon Bonaparte. He's my childhood hero. He wasn't a perfect man but his ego knows no bounds. Yet despite his ego, he was well-loved by his own soldiers. They remained loyal to the bitter end, even after his one-year abdication to Elba. His secret? Well, that's a lot of things. It's complicated. But the point is, his ego drove him to greatness. I have a fondness for the man because I'm the same way. And my experience tells me that greatness in leadership is not gained through purely morally upright motivations, but through sheer willpower and arrogance. The secret is to learn how to hide this arrogance when it counts, and flaunt it when the time to show-off is ripe.

You're talking to someone who have earned over 30 million gil throughout his 7 months of playing, half of which were gained by socializing alone. That's 15 million gil gained through sheer social skills. And wanna know something else? Before buying my FC house, I had 200k gil. I went to the house plot and hustled a nearby player who eventually gave me enough to get the plot for myself.

I created this thread to get practical advice, NOT to be sermoned to become a kinder, "purer", morally-upright person. My intentions for my FC is for my own benefit. But who cares? I'm forced to do things for others' benefit as well, so no harm done.

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Can't you just use your social skills to get other people to run dungeons with you instead of randoms? That way you never have to worry about getting people in there with you who will dislike your play style.

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Originally Posted by Super_Bee_Brian

It's not so much that I don't know how to tank. It's more like, I don't understand it.

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I never use that ranged shield attack and I never use that weak-butt rotation that increases enmity. I've gone this far without them and I prefer to keep it that way.

What are your thoughts about my confusion?

Thanks.

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My thoughts are that, if you truly don't believe that you understand tanking but refuse to use Shield Lob or the rotation that is the foundation of your job's role in a party in this game and want something else to stop people from calling you garbage at tanking, you should address your question to the development team instead of the community who otherwise are just as beholden to the very same rules of the game and are simply utilizing the options that provide the most desirable results.

Gotta say, I'm glad to see you're still around, Super_Bee. Change can sometimes be scary, and though I don't find myself logging in as much anymore, your consistent approach to starting/replying in threads has been a comforting constant. :)

Just rotate your combo around if you're tanking a small group. If you have a large group, your aoe combo should be fine. If some one is pulling aggro on one mob then they are single targeting a large group, and its their fault not yours.

Im going to go right ahead and hope that after 3 years he has figured it out.

If you're going to try a troll necro, a less obvious one is better than one with vastly outdated mechanics.

Paladins are - I want to say - the tank with the most active defense necessities. If you aren't using at least reprisal and rampart (and sentinel during emergencies) regularly, you're going to take way more damage than other tanks in equivalent situations. Shelltron should always be up, and you should be dropping occasional heals via clemency as needed.

Honestly, Paladins have an easy rotation, but they're really demanding of a tank to pay attention to damage spikes, making them somewhat unforgiving if you're just hoping to faceroll all content.

Necroposting should be a bannable offense

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Originally Posted by Endariel

Necroposting should be a bannable offense

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For the absolute love of Mike.. just.. click on the yellow triangle below their portrait instead of responding (I UNDERSTAND I AM DOING IT TOO!) and it could be!
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