Remove role action Rescue : only a tool for trolling and poor gameplay

Never thought this skill belongs in the game. I'll gladly stay in charge of my own movement (and my own screwups should they happen), thanks.

You know with the role actions being increased to 10 come next patch, expect to see more players using Rescue.... for better or for worse.

Just no

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Originally Posted by Vidu

My statics scholar is using it in O6S to pull me back to the boss after I took that second whirlwind-thingie by myself. I like that. Dont take it away from me.

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My old SCH used to Rescue our PLD for some mechanics so he could keep uptime on boss

I've seen it used in EX Rathalos when a party member is stunned and about to eat another face full of claw from Big Red.

It has its uses.

Nope. I’ve gotten dozens of comms and shoutouts in parties (esp in alliance raids) for well timed Rescue use.

If anything, lower the cd on it, please. :)

I've never used it since my slots are taken up with more important actions. Come to think of it, I've never had it used on me either. But hey, if it works for some healers in some encounters why not?

eh, so this is actually still alive ?!
Anyway I am still not a fan at all of this skill and still think an option should be given to players to disable the use of it on them.

Also to be fair, I haven't been trolled with it since I last wrote the original post - may be I was unlucky that day, maybe that post discouraged potential trollers from using it at those ends ? Idk and Idc really...

To be even more fair, I did have it used on me for real and effective "rescueing" purpose, though every time, it just saved me less than half a hp bar. And given it's very long CD, it's more like an extremely situational skill. And it is still disappointing to see healers prefer it over, say Esuna, because the dude from ultima WF use it on his clear... Once had to make a lvl 70 healer turn it on so we could beat Brayflox's last boss :s I mean it feels like Esuna has become the useless situational/skill, while Rescue is the MUST have... makes no sense to me honestly. But I am digressing here.

In fact, what happened most lately are rescuing that broke my dps uptime. It wasn't from bad intention as the healer did actually thought it would help me but :
- I do my roulette on RDM since I got bored of tanking it for mostly worthless bonus
- I tend to try to keep as much uptime and will often stay in void zone till the very last instant before backflipping out of it
- As a result of this, I got rescued many times, making me mess up my E.Redoublement + Displacement
I also had many other situations like these :
- I am at long range from boss - I get targeted by aoe
- I finish what I was casting and immediately corps-a-corps effectively dodging the aoe.
- Healer tought I was going to get hit so after getting at melee range, I immediately get pulled again at long range (due to lag healer didn't see my corps-a-corps in time)
- Now I need to run back to melee range :/

I know it's kind of my fault since so much risk taking can look like someone who has dps tunnel vision, but this is really annoying at times, especially when you want to test if "you can push that much" : you'll never know if you wouldve have pushed that dps or died.

In the end, I do agree that me demanding the straight removal was a little too much - and honestly because I was still quite angry...
But my new stance being to make it possible for players to decide if they want to be rescuable or not is imo the best decision : let the player decide instead of imposing that on him.
People like me and others who find it annoying will get some rest.
More advanced players who actually know how and when to use it, or those who want to experiment/train, will still be able to take advantage of it during their runs with their guilds/statics.

A while ago my co-healer Rescued me into bad things, so we both died. They just wanted some laughs, they said as much. I later learned that Surecast negates Rescue; and while that isn't always viable - it's some food for thought!

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Originally Posted by Meui

A while ago my co-healer Rescued me into bad things, so we both died. They just wanted some laughs, they said as much. I later learned that Surecast negates Rescue; and while that isn't always viable - it's some food for thought!

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Oh I get why surecast would cancel this, makes sense. But anyway, you'd have to guess when your healer is about to use it to surecast at that moment though... and non-caster can't surecast !

Yea, I sure know you can have fun with that - I do watch Drak and NEST and they had fun with that many times. But again, as I previously said in this thread, you don't do that with people who you don't know and are maybe just there to get over with their roulette : not to lose gils and time on wiping for some lulz.

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Originally Posted by Moogly

Yea, I sure know you can have fun with that - I do watch Drak and NEST and they had fun with that many times. But again, as I previously said in this thread, you don't do that with people who you don't know and are maybe just there to get over with their roulette : not to lose gils and time on wiping for some lulz.

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Ah, NEST. They inspired me to make the static I'm making for 4.4 - amazing people. But yeah, in duties, when I rescue, I'm doing it to try and save people. I'll only troll and do fun shenanigans with the static. Otherwise, I play serious. But I can understand some people might want to turn that off. Especially if they want to challenge themselves. And I am perfectly OK with that.

TBH it feels like Rescue should be an auto-dodge on an ally for 10s. Ally about to get hit by an AoE? Rescue him, the game counts it as a dodge, and everything is fine and dandy...though there would be limitations on what it could work with to avoid it being too broken (tank busters, certain AoEs, most mechanics...)

You say that but the World's first UCOB clear was only possible thanks to Rescue.

Did you use Diversion?

I've honestly never seen Rescue get used for trolling since it came out. I've seen and had some failed Rescues that didn't quite go off in time and the person still died, but that's bound to happen with the skill's huge animation delay and people know that.

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Originally Posted by Moogly

In the end, I do agree that me demanding the straight removal was a little too much - and honestly because I was still quite angry...
But my new stance being to make it possible for players to decide if they want to be rescuable or not is imo the best decision : let the player decide instead of imposing that on him.
People like me and others who find it annoying will get some rest.
More advanced players who actually know how and when to use it, or those who want to experiment/train, will still be able to take advantage of it during their runs with their guilds/statics.

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That's a fair enough suggestion, though I have trouble seeing how it would work. Is this an option from the main menu that you select pre-combat?

I would also like to point out that Rescue is an ability that takes practice to get right, and you're going to get it a whole lot of wrong in the process. No player in their right mind is going to troll with this ability if trying to get a clear. Especially in content that pushes healers to perform. It's kind of a bummer that during this process, they will no doubt make several incorrectly rescued players frustrated, but try to identify a good intention over trolling. Most of the time, the healer is just trying to help.

Pesky ranged dps outside my aoe heal range? Not anymore!

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Pesky ranged dps outside my aoe heal range? Not anymore!

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Or the BRD!

Why hello there, Brd 'ol buddy! Guess what I want you to cast on me? :p

So you openly admit you couldn't be bothered to pursue the avenue that is open for this sort of behavior, reporting, but you want to remove a skill that does have strategic use?

Next step is what delete shirk because you can give aggro to someone to troll him ?

As a paladin rescue is basically our only alternative as a gap closer on the boss in situations where TW is on CD or just plain doesn't work ( Shared TB during neo exdeath).

Whilst yeah rescue can be trolly as all heck there are a lot of genuine uses for it.

I intend to use it mostly to cancel out LB animation lock once I'm able to slot it alongside the healer "must-haves"

I still stand by the fact Rescue's timer is so long it is hardly the most useful tool for trolling out there.

You could sooner just actively not heal someone in order to troll them.

Ok, now it is getting annoying again because of little smart buds...

NO I am not going to ask for shirk removal : YES I KNOW IT CAN BE USED FOR GRIEFING TOO.
But it doesn't move my character AGAINST my will.

ALSO Those who say that they cannot think of how Rescue could be used for griefing, they've never seen that, it's my imagination...

A similar skill existed (still exists ?) in WoW - and DUDE was it used for trolling people.
If you don't EVEN know that, then just read, learn, and come back to post when you'll know more on the matter.............

YES I KNOW THAT ALSO :

QUOTE FROM MYSELF :

And it is still disappointing to see healers prefer it over, say Esuna, because the dude from ultima WF use it on his clear... Once had to make a lvl 70 healer turn it on so we could beat Brayflox's last boss :s


AND I HOPE THIS TIME YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT BECAUSE IT WAS USED FOR THE ULTIMA CLEAR THAT IT BECOMES A MANDATORY SKILL.
Those kids pointing out that ultima clear EVERY SINGLE TIME for justifying why they would bind rescue over esuna ALL THE TIME are really being annoying...
Who in your right mind are you going to rescue in Brayflox, TELL ME ?
You know what ? That healer who did Ultima clear, made a commented video of their clear, and HIMSELF said that this skill wasn't mandatory at all, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR FIGHT, could be used to save a dps, IN THAT PARTICULAR PHASE of the fight. So it is out of EXPERIENCE and RETRIES that he added it to his skill bar, he didn't added it to his skill bar BECAUSE THE GUY WHO DID THE FIRST O4S CLEAR USED IT. He has enough brains to adapt, analyse the situations, and in this particular case, in which that DPS death would have blown a 10 minutes+ try, YES IT WAS DEFINITELY WORTH IT.
Many people here may come and say "rescue because ultima WF, rescue because Ultima WF", but I am pretty sure they don't even think ahead of a fight if others spells aren't to prioritize over Rescue, like ESUNA !!!!
Sick of all those useless parrots, or uninspired copycats who try to emulate the best, and think they've become the best.

Really needed to make things clear as some here know how to read things, but clearly don't understand anything...

I mean in most raids almost every single status effect isn't able to be removed by esuna...so I wouldn't really say that's mandatory either. Honestly you just sound ass hurt that some people troll you using it. Okay, report them for griefing idk what else you can really expect to be done.

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Originally Posted by Moogly

Ok, now it is getting annoying again because of little smart buds...

NO I am not going to ask for shirk removal : YES I KNOW IT CAN BE USED FOR GRIEFING TOO.
But it doesn't move my character AGAINST my will.

ALSO Those who say that they cannot think of how Rescue could be used for griefing, they've never seen that, it's my imagination...

A similar skill existed (still exists ?) in WoW - and DUDE was it used for trolling people.
If you don't EVEN know that, then just read, learn, and come back to post when you'll know more on the matter.............

YES I KNOW THAT ALSO :

QUOTE FROM MYSELF :

And it is still disappointing to see healers prefer it over, say Esuna, because the dude from ultima WF use it on his clear... Once had to make a lvl 70 healer turn it on so we could beat Brayflox's last boss :s


AND I HOPE THIS TIME YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT BECAUSE IT WAS USED FOR THE ULTIMA CLEAR THAT IT BECOMES A MANDATORY SKILL.
Those kids pointing out that ultima clear EVERY SINGLE TIME for justifying why they would bind rescue over esuna ALL THE TIME are really being annoying...
Who in your right mind are you going to rescue in Brayflox, TELL ME ?
You know what ? That healer who did Ultima clear, made a commented video of their clear, and HIMSELF said that this skill wasn't mandatory at all, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR FIGHT, could be used to save a dps, IN THAT PARTICULAR PHASE of the fight. So it is out of EXPERIENCE and RETRIES that he added it to his skill bar, he didn't added it to his skill bar BECAUSE THE GUY WHO DID THE FIRST O4S CLEAR USED IT. He has enough brains to adapt, analyse the situations, and in this particular case, in which that DPS death would have blown a 10 minutes+ try, YES IT WAS DEFINITELY WORTH IT.
Many people here may come and say "rescue because ultima WF, rescue because Ultima WF", but I am pretty sure they don't even think ahead of a fight if others spells aren't to prioritize over Rescue, like ESUNA !!!!
Sick of all those useless parrots, or uninspired copycats who try to emulate the best, and think they've become the best.

Really needed to make things clear as some here know how to read things, but clearly don't understand anything...

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If you get trolled with recuse laugh it off and move on, bound to have less issues if you play along with the joke instead of asking for the removal. I mean it can only be used to cause death a limited number of times in a fight relax man. Another option would be to either try to vote kick the person or leave the group yourself.

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Originally Posted by Lorgana

I mean in most raids almost every single status effect isn't able to be removed by esuna...so I wouldn't really say that's mandatory either. Honestly you just sound ass hurt that some people troll you using it. Okay, report them for griefing idk what else you can really expect to be done.

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Here again...
a case of "I absolutely MUST POST AN ANSWER, before even READING or THINKING".
Did I say Esuna was mandatory ?
Did I say EVERY SINGLE DEBUFF WAS DISPELLABLE ?

Here again, if you KNOW what boss you are going to fight.
If you KNOW what DEBUFF, what MECHANICS will be involved.
Then you ADAPT your role skill TO THE SITUATION.

YOU DON'T JUST BIND RESCUE BECAUSE THE GUY WHO CLEARED ULTIMA HAD IT ON.

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Originally Posted by Rogatum

If you get trolled with recuse laugh it off and move on, bound to have less issues if you play along with the joke instead of asking for the removal. I mean it can only be used to cause death a limited number of times in a fight relax man. Another option would be to either try to vote kick the person or leave the group yourself.

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If this is how you deal with harassment, then you're clearly wrong.
I don't have time to lose with kids whose sad life have to make them regain some kind of self esteem by trolling people in online games.
Harrassment IS an important matter.

In fact, your behavior makes me think that you are yourself the kind of people that would use rescue to troll people.
Why ?
You're taking a stance and sound similar to those admins from the Balance discord who have been recently denounced on reddit for trolling a player trying to get his O8S clear.
Just because that player is in the gray percentile...
Of course, all the admins and mods from that Balance discord came to justify themselves...
And like those discord admins, you're saying : "trolling isn't a problem, it's just for some laughs..."

Well I had never seen comments on reddit getting so many downvotes.
NO.
Harrassment, trolling is serious stuff.
Why do you think it is against the TOS ?
Why do you think trollers have so much imagination in finding ways to troll people without getting a ban ?

What is with people in this extreme mentalities?

"I HAD ONE BAD EXPERIENCE SO WE HAVE TO REMOVE IT FROM EVERYONE NOW111!"

Just shrug it off, it's not that big of a deal, it's definitely not worth removing it from everyone.

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Originally Posted by OurMom

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Originally Posted by Moogly

Here again...
a case of "I absolutely MUST POST AN ANSWER, before even READING or THINKING".

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10 CHARACTERS HACK

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Originally Posted by Moogly

autistic screeching

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I read and thought about your post that's how I came to my conclusion ;)

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Originally Posted by OurMom

I read and thought about your post that\\'s how I came to my conclusion ;)

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I concur with this statement

well check page 9 smart sprout

...talking like "I'm so bad I'm proving my point in 2 lines" and dropping the mic... ridiculous.

And not even understanding that all that all caps writing was exactly for those kind of answers.

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Originally Posted by Moogly

well check page 9 smart sprout

...talking like "I'm so bad I'm proving my point in 2 lines" and dropping the mic... ridiculous.

And not even understanding that all that all caps writing was exactly for those kind of answers.

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Uh no thanks??

My post was about this entire mentality in general, you aren't the only one in this thread that thought "Something annoying happened. Screw how x affects everyone else, just remove it because I don't like it!". Even if you then decided to change your stance to "well just alter it" my original point still stands. That you thought it was a good idea to make this thread over basically nothing.

People with these extreme mentalities need to chill out. I've been "trolled" once with rescue and I thought it was hilarious. I've also been saved countless times with rescue as a mnk because...I gotta keep my stacks man. People should not start demanding things to be changed/altered because one bad thing happened to them. You. Will. Be. Okay.

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Originally Posted by Moogly

Really needed to make things clear as some here know how to read things, but clearly don't understand anything...

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You don't understand that just because you changed your mind doesn't erase the fact you made the thread in the first place.

People are just responding to what the thread topic started as and if you want them to know you changed your mind you might want to edit your OP to reflect this because not everyone has time to read every single post in a thread.

Seems like a better alternative to raging about people not listening to the point where you are working yourself into a tizzy over it and starting to yell and be snarky at people over it.

Healer saved me with it. your argument is invalid.

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But I did edit the original post !
I even quoted the player who gave me the new idea.

Also, in my OP, I also did mention the "because it was used in the first ultima clear" argument, because I was pretty sure it was going to be slapped at my face !

But so many people don't read at all...
That's why I'm writing in caps and being snarky !
By not reading what I said, they're advancing, again, points that had already been discussed.
They're the ones actually being dissrespectful !
And it's like that every 2 pages, because people don't take the time to read...

Looks to me you’re being snarky cause you were trolled with it this one time.

Rescue is fine...save maybe for the delay in it actually working (compared to the WoW priest ability of similar design, which likely inspired Rescue). The ability’s positive uses far outweigh the capacity for trolling with it.

Take a breather, harassment is an issue but let us not paint every negative experience as harassment. Sure having a trolling player in your group be it healer, tank or dps can be frustrating and annoying but end of day in most cases it amounts to a minor inconvenience. Sure in some cases it may result in a wipe but you have the tools to handle the situation meaning vote kicking the person or leaving the group yourself.

I agree through harassment is an important issue, but I am sorry what you mentioned is far from harassment in my eyes and is not worth getting livid over.

Honestly the Developers are not going to Remove a skill because one Player out of millions had someone Troll them its just not going to happen and your a Rdm during that wer you not? why did you use your Vercure on your Doublecast to stay alive? o.o its kinda hard to die as a Rdm its best if you just let this one go rather then turn you inside out yes you got trolled it happens theirs no MMO that dosent have them but Quite Frankly your not acting better then said troll Ranting about how a skill outta get removed because you yourself dont like it and its been posted alot that the skill saves a lot of peoples hide (includeing my own hide) frankly your better off just ignoring the healer and his "Tank buddy" and like others have said if anyone wanted to "punish" you its likely due to the healer flat out refusing to heal you blaming the skill rather then the one using the skill is downright childish and quite frankly kinda silly yelling kicking and screaming wont let you get your way heck odds are the Devs will keep it in just to make you upset more my Advice: Buy some lumber Build a Bridge and get over it its not worth your experience of the game being ruined honestly its not like if you die your dead forever

I, for one, enjoy rescuing my friends into death.

I also enjoy being rescued back to the boss after a "go to Narnia" mechanic.

Also nice to use to get people to stand on the platforms in LotA.

I love rescue, it helps me drag overzealous tanks back into healing range when all my instants are on cooldown and he's still running off like a maniac with half the dungeon already pulled. Would hate to see it removed!Also very handy for repositioning random headless chickens who keep running off into the sunset and out of range of AoE heals