Thank you for the man-bunnies

Im still worried about when are they going to add clothes with bulges

While I'm not opposed to the outfit for guys being in game I don't think it suits them. If anything it looks more of a joke than anything. It doesn't seem to fit the male body at all, it looks like it was just slapped upon them "just because".

I'll end up getting it myself for whenever I want to have a laugh or two or annoy some friends with it. But that's all it will get from me. I'm happy for the guys who wanted this though. Looking forward to those rare occasions where someone combines this on a male character with something else to make it look amazing.

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Originally Posted by Mokkabron

Im still worried about when are they going to add clothes with bulges

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There already are a few pants that have a slight bulge, it's barely noticeable but it is there. I found that out by trying to get some good angles with gpose and I couldn't help but notice it and shrug at it.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Let me put it this way. Who is the most naked male character in the game? Godbert Manderville, who is 100% comic relief. Who probably is one of the most attractive male characters in the game if you asked women? Aymeric, who never shows up in anything than less than full armor. It's not as easy as just flip flopping what guys find attractive on women and say women find that attractive too.

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Discussing what men find attractive and what women find attractive is irrelevant. I'm not attracted to women at all, but do I have a problem with seeing female characters wearing skimpy clothing? I sure don't! They're enjoying themselves, and that's all that matters! Do I think less of female characters in skimpy glams? Nope!

If the bunny outfit isn't your cup of tea, that's great! Putting down people who do enjoy it is not so great.

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Originally Posted by kamenkuro

Every day we fall farther from God's light
I don't like slutglams on dudes. Makes me wish for a setting that lets me just poof people off my screen

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

I don't see why any self respecting man would wanna wear attire that is clearly designed for females and yea I get it it's 2018 the modern world likes bitch men, as for me no Ty sir or ma'am.

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Originally Posted by Tint

i don't even see why any self respecting woman would wanna wear that bitchsuit...

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^^^Comments like these are the problem.

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Originally Posted by Kinazu

There already are a few pants that have a slight bulge, it's barely noticeable but it is there. I found that out by trying to get some good angles with gpose and I couldn't help but notice it and shrug at it.

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which ones?

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I don't think guys mind showing skin. They just don't want to look like women or boys. They also don't want to look ridiculous. Conan is half-naked, but in a way that shows strength and masculinity.

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You're still missing my point. If a male player doesn't want their male character to show skin, that's perfectly fine. If a male player wants their character to only appear as masculine, there's nothing wrong with that either. The problem comes, when a male player is putting down another player for not having a masculine character. Not everyone wants their male character to be explicitly masculine, and that's ok too. If you're a guy wearing a bunny suit, it does not make you a "bitch man", nor does it suggest that you don't have any self respect.

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Originally Posted by Mokkabron

which ones?

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If I recall correctly both the Bohemian Trousers and the Strife Bags have them. Those are the only ones that I am pretty sure of. It's barely noticeable though.

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Originally Posted by Kinazu

If I recall correctly both the Bohemian Trousers and the Strife Bags have them. Those are the only ones that I am pretty sure of. It's barely noticeable though.

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well, roes need to have a big one but Im giving them a try

thanks

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Originally Posted by WilhelmWhite

You're still missing my point. .

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Ah I didn't get that point, I thought it was just in general showing skin.

Mmm, I think that everyone should have the right to self-expression, and people should be forgiving to people who are outside the norm. But if you dress in an unmasculine matter, you do make sort of a statement that people may not like, and the reverse is true. This can be despite you honestly not making it intentionally. Like a woman may dislike dresses because they tangle up her legs, or they may despise them as a symbol of femininity and its limitations. You don't intend it in the first case, but in practice there is a lot of meaning in the act beyond self-expression into a commentary on roles. We do need that commentary, even if people don't accept it.

People really should be excellent to each other, but i think people do also need to realize that sometimes that it's also not just personal expression. Clothes do reflect values to a point. It's a rough thing.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

...people should be forgiving to people who are outside the norm.

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"Forgiving" is an interesting word choice.

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Originally Posted by WilhelmWhite

Excuse me while I go put on my giant Roe fishnets and sashay around Limsa. >:^)

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When are we starting this parade? I'll be there with bells (or at least bows) on.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

But if you dress in an unmasculine matter, you do make sort of a statement that people may not like, and the reverse is true.

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If I'm wearing an item, the only statement I'm making is that I like that item. I don't have any deeper agenda and I really don't care what other people think about it; it does feel nice when people compliment my glamour, of but it's also hilarious when people tell me they hate my outfit, so really I'm winning either way.

My tastes do lean a bit towards items commonly deemed 'feminine', but then, modern fashion sense tends to consider anything pretty or with any embellishment at all feminine, and if gear design in this game were to follow those standards, female characters would have the exact same gear variety they do now, and male characters would get one pair of jeans and a couple of tee-shirts at the start of the game and never wear anything else (except maybe one of the suits, once in a while, but they would be obligated to complain the entire time they were wearing it because that's just The Done Thing, can't have people thinking you enjoy getting dressed up or they might question your masculinity).

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Originally Posted by kamenkuro

Every day we fall farther from God's light
I don't like slutglams on dudes. Makes me wish for a setting that lets me just poof people off my screen

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Which god are we talking? Because I'm pretty sure Rhalgr would be fine with it so long as we wreck everything in our paths. ;D

I also find it interesting that "slutglams" are okay on female avatars (potentially from what your post is hinting at?) and not on guy avatars... At the same time, I don't really care. XD Wear what you wanna wear, am I right~?



Glad to know the ears are dyeable!

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Originally Posted by Lukha

If I'm wearing an item, the only statement I'm making is that I like that item.

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This right here. When I had my Roe glamoured as a leatherman, it wasn't for anything else other than "I like leather" and I really liked how it looked on my Roe. I'll probably swap back to that glamour once I get tired of being Birdmeric, which is unlikely to happen because I really like how well the Aymeric body piece looks with the Vanu Vanu gear. It's like I'm almost playing a Beastman race!

I'm super excited to finally equip these on my main, and the more I hear people complain about it the more gleeful I am to get them. Petty? Yeah, probably. But I've been following this for years and its a hopeful sign of perhaps having more fair distribution of glamours. Seeing the uneven female/male glam ratio is really bothersome to me, and I'm in the equal numbers first, different styles for both second kind of camp about the glamours. I'm planning to buy both bunny sets and have been saving the MGP so I could get them right at patch launch (just in case they decided to make them a different item to buy instead of the same bunny suit option).

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Let me put it this way. Who is the most naked male character in the game? Godbert Manderville, who is 100% comic relief. Who probably is one of the most attractive male characters in the game if you asked women? Aymeric, who never shows up in anything than less than full armor. It's not as easy as just flip flopping what guys find attractive on women and say women find that attractive too.

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To be fair, he was almost assuredly designed by a straight man. I doubt many women or gay men would complain if they decided to lewd Aymeric a little bit.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Let me put it this way. Who is the most naked male character in the game? Godbert Manderville, who is 100% comic relief. Who probably is one of the most attractive male characters in the game if you asked women? Aymeric, who never shows up in anything than less than full armor. It's not as easy as just flip flopping what guys find attractive on women and say women find that attractive too.

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The most naked male character in the game was Thancred. The most popular male character in the game is... Thancred.

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Originally Posted by kamenkuro

Every day we fall farther from God's light
I don't like slutglams on dudes. Makes me wish for a setting that lets me just poof people off my screen

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Well, you can always tie a blindfold around your eyes and play the game that way?

Truthfully though, if we're following religious doctrine as intended then "God" is suppose to love all of his children equally and without bias and in fact, encourages all of his followers to do the same.

And in another truth, one's own personal religious viewpoints shouldn't come into play regarding video games at all. There's literally no reason for it unless you're discussing your views with other like-minded individuals and in this topic judging by the various other responses...? You are definitely not within like-minded individuals.

This is extremely harmless, it's not as if the person is going to purgatory for liking or doing it inside of a video game world, heck, even in real life! Who cares!

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

"Forgiving" is an interesting word choice.

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When you ask people to tolerate you and accept you, for many people that does mean making a form of sacrifice and it helps to remember that sometimes. I mean, if you are dressing in a way that criticizes or subverts the idea of the norm, you are kind of attacking their values, because fashion is a statement to the outside world as much as a choice of personal style. I meant forgiving in the sense that you don't take those statements as attacks on you as a person, and forgive the attack on your values. Because I think people don't get how much they can be at times. You may think they are wrong values, but the sense of attack remains.

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Originally Posted by Corfish

To be fair, he was almost assuredly designed by a straight man. I doubt many women or gay men would complain if they decided to lewd Aymeric a little bit.

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Yeah, at least women might. Like go to your bookstore's manga section, and browse manga meant for men, and those for women. there simply isn't the same level of display of lewdness in that sense. If they lewded him up to attract women, they would have him do things like touch the player, look into their eyes more, and act as opposed to just swagger around in tight pants and an open shirt. I mean, there is a difference in men and women that way I think. There's really no female monster musume; the closest I've seen is something like Free!, and the lewdness there is mostly just shirtlessness and exaggerated musculature.

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Originally Posted by Fytayn

Not true. I completely support male characters getting to wear dresses and more traditionally feminine clothes but you can't say that female characters get to wear everything.

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Forgive me for the slight exaggeration. I should have said female avatars can wear most things. Female avatars can wear both male/female versions of clothes sometimes, whereas males never can. A lot of the clothes seem to be catered toward female avatars, too. They also have some things (or had) that had no male equivalents whereas I don’t think such a thing can be said for male clothing; I could be wrong. I've played both sexes and that's what I experienced. The point of my comment was: if you think females restricted, males are more so.

Also, I didn't expect thanking for manbunnies was going to stir up debates. My bad. /Bows head

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Yeah, at least women might. Like go to your bookstore's manga section, and browse manga meant for men, and those for women. there simply isn't the same level of display of lewdness in that sense. If they lewded him up to attract women, they would have him do things like touch the player, look into their eyes more, and act as opposed to just swagger around in tight pants and an open shirt. I mean, there is a difference in men and women that way I think. There's really no female monster musume; the closest I've seen is something like Free!, and the lewdness there is mostly just shirtlessness and exaggerated musculature.

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Yaoi is written primarily by women for women. It's full of beautiful men and often has explicit sexual scenes. Bara is designed mostly by men for men. Those tend to have less explicit scenes and more masculine men in extremely tight clothing.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

I'm gonna be getting the outfit so I can change into it during raids to go with my Racing Chocobo Mask so I can harass the raid team I'm in :3

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You're amazing, LMAO.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

I actually hate how this outfit looks, but I'm going to wear it for at least a month to show my support.

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Me, too. I just like and want the bunny ears. I think the rest looks terrible, haha. XD But I will wear it on my tank for a little while just to support it. Add in that darkness macro and things will be golden. -High fives-

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Originally Posted by Yenyen

if I had my way guys would look a little girly xD

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Noooo, I need more Godbert in my life! xDD Don't do this to me, Yenyen!

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Originally Posted by Chasely

Yaoi is written primarily by women for women. It's full of beautiful men and often has explicit sexual scenes. Bara is designed mostly by men for men. Those tend to have less explicit scenes and more masculine men in extremely tight clothing.

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I'm not really sure yaoi and fujoshi make up a decent percentage of women anime/manga fans. I think they are visible a lot because anime makes them the stock female otaku or a type of them, but if you have read or watched that genre of anime, there's no way in hell most women would like it, if just for the disturbing control issues and male harm. Like the anime Loveless is probably the closest i can think of to an anime that mainstreams those tropes, and its a good illustration why that genre is nowhere as big as shoujo. IDK though, I haven't talked to or seen many actual fujoshi in the west I guess.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

the anime Loveless is probably the closest i can think of to an anime that mainstreams those tropes,

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Okay, first, Loveless is not Yaoi, BL or Shonen-ai genre, it's Josei (adult female). It runs in a magazine notable for serializing BOTH Josei and Seinen (adult male) genre series, which may contain both BL and GL as themes, (and, incidentally, the most explicit 'couple' in Loveless to date is actually F/F), but its primary focus is adult and often dark themes. It's an understandable mistake to make: many people know Loveless only through the anime, which was a shallow, fanservicey cash-in that only covers the first four of thirteen and ongoingvolumes and ends right around the point the plot of the manga actually starts. The manga, on the other hand, is a surprisingly deep and respectful exploration of how people are affected by and deal with abuse.


Second, your comparison doesn't really work, given that your references are the Shoujo and Ecchi genres, which are intended for different age groups (young teen-ish girls versus young adult men. A fine line, but a year or two makes a big difference at that age). There are definitely non-yaoi lewd manga for adult women out there, they just tend not to get much public attention due to people(men) tending to prefer the illusion that Women Don't Like The Lewds. A more apt comparison would be Romance-genre fiction, which similarly gets very little attention (barring the occasional fluke like 50 Shades) despite being a billion-dollar industry which commands about a 34% share of the English fiction market. And if you've never read an English romance novel, they can get to be quite lewd, and in many cases hit all the same tropes as your average yaoi manga will, including the control/consent issues.

Bottom line: Women and men aren't any different when it comes to lewd content. The idea that slight biological differences make us averse to fanservice is ridiculous. There are lots of men who don't like cheesecake or beefcake, just like there are lots of women who love both. People are more nuanced than that.

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ef5c...temid=10875831

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I STAN THIS SO HARD LMAO

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

In 2013 the data of gamers by gender was 52% male and 48% Female.

In 2017 to 2018 current data shows the balance of Male to Female Video gamers is constantly changing between 50% - 60% on Male and 40% - 50% Female Gamer side.

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Mmm still don’t believe that. Mabye for gaming in general but for ff14? That seems off. ....although, our fc is running about 60/40. Meh whatevs.

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Originally Posted by Mokkabron

Im still worried about when are they going to add clothes with bulges

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....why? It’s a video game....

I am very happy for this.

https://i.imgur.com/NR2PTIb.png

There shouldn't be any reason why a character couldn't wear certain gear. More options are always better. Make manly gear for both genders and feminine gear for both genders.

I'm disappointed. Since this pants don't transparent on webs...
<---My male au ra has dark blue skin, weird look he wear red/yellow socks...
Can't dye ion socks. Only can dye for pants..

It's great to see the ears finally made it (though it took way too long).

The rest of the outfit is pretty meh. (And the clown-sized bow tie looks ridiculous on both genders.) I think the primary reason it was even asked for was as an example of the numbers being off, with more female gear than male. And it's only a small step towards improving those numbers (which is then negated by new female-only gear). If they were going to unlock one outfit to improve the situation, I wish it would at least have been a more attractive one, like the female-only Thavnarian set. (There was a popular thread from years ago, where an artist showed how great that set could look on males.)

But at least I can finally get my bunny ears. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Tint

i said it's dusgusting. the bunny suit is not sexy or attractive in any way. i literally have to throw up when i see that stuff.

but when people want to dress up as 2 dollar hooker so be it. just... stay away from me.

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Wow... it's not that serious. If it is that upsetting I recommend you invest in a single player game where you can control everyone in it and dress them in a way that doesn't make you vomit.

I didn't have interest beyond the ears for my male character but now that I see it's "so controversial" I'll be glamming the whole set on him in support of the "2 dollar hooker" look. Really, who cares if only "fujoshi and drag queens" enjoy the outfit (which is not true, but even if it was). Let them have fun!

Let's all stop worrying about what other people are doing with their pretend pixel people and enjoy the new patch, hm? c:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/mkky14.jpg/

The caps kills me. I'm wondering if they will eventually just remove the "fits:" or just leave it there.

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Originally Posted by DevonEllwood

http://oi68.tinypic.com/mkky14.jpg/

The caps kills me. I'm wondering if they will eventually just remove the "fits:" or just leave it there.

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I can almost hear the exasperation when I read it. That's kind of funny.

I won't be wearing any of it but I will be buying it just to support it.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

I'd been more inclined to use the bunny ears if they actually looked like such. Give me proper fluffy Judy Hopps ears!

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that might be nice

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

I'm disappointed. Since this pants don't transparent on webs...
<---My male au ra has dark blue skin, weird look he wear red/yellow socks...
Can't dye ion socks. Only can dye for pants..

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The chief ones are black.


https://i.imgur.com/DI45diH.png


But it looks so terrible! xD I'm crying from laughter! It's way more expensive than I anticipated, but I got me the bunny ears~. /Sings It'll tide me over until I get real manlyman manbunnies xD

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Originally Posted by DevonEllwood

http://oi68.tinypic.com/mkky14.jpg/

The caps kills me. I'm wondering if they will eventually just remove the "fits:" or just leave it there.

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^ I totally died from that when I saw it. I didn't realise the bustier was THAT popular for dudes. xD Oh my gosh. SE has its good moments. xD

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

The chief ones are black.


https://i.imgur.com/DI45diH.png


But it looks so terrible! xD I'm crying from laughter! It's way more expensive than I anticipated, but I got me the bunny ears~. /Sings It'll tide me over until I get real manlyman manbunnies xD




^ I totally died from that when I saw it. I didn't realise the bustier was THAT popular for dudes. xD Oh my gosh. SE has its good moments. xD

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haha :D it looks good on you, finally someone in full size with that :)

I admit that the fishnets were too much for me, but otherwise I have me a new crafting glamour :D I'll tweak with dyes more on the weekend hopefully but v. pleased with how the ears look on him.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...pszk4kgabh.png

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Let's go with "fragile masculinity" instead :>

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Only if I get to use "SJW". :D