Losing faith in this MMO

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Originally Posted by kyomaZZ

thank you SE, at least i dont need pay for another sub. coz i will cancel it thats for sure.
you should able to acces all content in a P2p MMO, Op. shop is also a shame but idc that i can live without some exra glamour and mount.

BUT SHIROGANE HOUSING WAS PART OF STORMBLOOD , SO THANK YOU FOR ONLY CARING ABOUT PPL WITHOUT JOB WHO CAN PLAY UR GAME 24/7 AND NORMAL WORKING PPL JUST F.O. AND PLAY UR GAME WITHOUT HOUSE
utterly disappointed

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Uhm, I don't work as I'm disabled and didn't get a house .. so your post is invalid. Though I understand your frustration.

If a game like Neopets can have proper instanced housing, SE has no excuse.

And I really wasn't expecting it to be this outrageous. Housing didn't go this quickly at the initial launch nor at the expansion, and players refuse to use apartments as the alternative as they don't offer the same content, nor the size.

It's just a bad deal.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

If a game like Neopets can have proper instanced housing, SE has no excuse.

And I really wasn't expecting it to be this outrageous. Housing didn't go this quickly at the initial launch nor at the expansion, and players refuse to use apartments as the alternative as they don't offer the same content, nor the size.

It's just a bad deal.

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This is such a nice idea, SE should give us houses just like Neopets!!

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Originally Posted by RenOkamiya

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I have a premium house in LOTRO.
It costs around $45 (because Lotro is F2P and the company sells you special things for cash.
You can buy a normal house for ingame money but it's smaller and less refined).

A lot of you could think I'm crazy, and I wasted a lot of money for pixel.
I had (and have) a lot of fun decorating, buying/crafting furniture (and sometime spending money in the store).
I created a storeroom, a library, a basement room etc etc.

Get it? it took me busy for a long time and pushed me into crafting, reputation for recipes, barter tokens (=farming of tokens) for items and so on.

part2.

Now tell me, why should I craft/buy a furniture in ff14? Sunday I was looking in AH for leatherworking/cooking furniture: this is interaction with the rest of the crafting community.

From 1 to 10, what do you care about "new crafting recipes" if you don't have your own house?
You can sell furniture, but where do you use that money in ff14?

I already do savage raids, I have materia 6 at will, mounts are farmed ingame...
If I don't use money for housing and -some- cosmetics, for what?

A lot of players are underestimating what's happened, this is a big loss for the core community (and SE, I was looking in the store for something to buy), not for "who did not get an house", and I'm angry with SE because it showed me they are BLIND, exactly like 7 years ago.

They spent resources for an USELESS relocating feature, new recipes, new crafting... bah, I'll write what they deserve in my reviews.

The thing first and foremost they need to look at is the fact that most of the houses went to individuals. On Balmung it looks about 90/10 - so only about 10-15% of the houses went to FCs. I know Yoshi has always claimed FCs are more important so it's probably time to put their money where their mouth is and actually learn from what happened in Shirogane. Barely any FC got a house.

I'm always in favor of FCs going first - even though I want to rebuy a personal home and my FC already has a large in LB. FC homes benefit the most people and SE seems to agree, but the Wards say other wise.

I think people deserve a personal home though, I just think with the current system FCs should have a crack at it first, then in a few months open up wards for individuals to buy. There's a high demand for personal housing, and that's fine, but I think we can all admit this mixing of FC/personal housing stuff isn't working.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

If a game like Neopets can have proper instanced housing, SE has no excuse.

And I really wasn't expecting it to be this outrageous. Housing didn't go this quickly at the initial launch nor at the expansion, and players refuse to use apartments as the alternative as they don't offer the same content, nor the size.

It's just a bad deal.

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Neopets is a stretch, but Wildstar can give you housing with multitudes more options as well as a community system and still be able to guarantee every character a maximum sized house with its limited budget on top of being one of the non-scummy free to play games out right now.

For everyone thinking of unsubbing, I would wait to see if they announce they’re adding more instances first. They clearly did a poor job of anticipating the demand. It wouldn’t surprise me if they added more wards to accommodate the demand.

If they say, sorry, but that’s it, we’re not adding more, that’s another thing. But wait to see what the official response. We’ve seen before that they often fail to properly anticipate demand and plan poorly.

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

For everyone thinking of unsubbing, I would wait to see if they announce they’re adding more instances first. They clearly did a poor job of anticipating the demand. It wouldn’t surprise me if they added more wards to accommodate the demand.

If they say, sorry, but that’s it, we’re not adding more, that’s another thing. But wait to see what the official response. We’ve seen before that they often fail to properly anticipate demand and plan poorly.

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Even if they doubled every single ward, it wouldn't come close to accommodating the demand. For reference sake, there are over 600,000 characters eligible to purchase a house yet currently less than 100,000 available. Their "solution" to a known problem was to add 23,760 (Shirogane). They won't do anything, which is why people are threatening to unsub.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

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No, I really believe if you're this upset about this that you're playing the wrong game. This game is not called 'Housing of Eoreza.' If such a small, minute aspect of the game has pushed any player to make such ultimatums, they are simply masking their actual discontentment of the game.

Oh and all those things you listed? That is desired content that the player base will happily run over and over (breaking news: MMOs are full of repetition. Shocking, I know!).

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

For everyone thinking of unsubbing, I would wait to see if they announce they’re adding more instances first. They clearly did a poor job of anticipating the demand. It wouldn’t surprise me if they added more wards to accommodate the demand.

If they say, sorry, but that’s it, we’re not adding more, that’s another thing. But wait to see what the official response. We’ve seen before that they often fail to properly anticipate demand and plan poorly.

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That's actually still a problem. When there is a finite (i.e. limited) number of available plots, specifically a number that is nowhere near active player populous, all you're doing is repeating the same mistake. It's true that over time they'll get closer to a healthy/workable number by utilizing that method, but we're talking literal years until that point is reached. It really is a sign of an inevitable demise when they never learn, no matter how many failures they've had (referring to player disappointment).

While consumers do usually remain after a disappointment, they also remember, and once the negative piles up to a point of intolerance, that's pretty much it. Even Nintendo realized this, and while they're still failing to actually fix things, they're at least making some efforts to improve and even acknowledged the major parts of the problem.

At this point I feel like adding another housing system entirely would be best. Just have a centralized location that's customized on a player by player basis, and add the perks housing gives us.

Like, maybe we are gifted manor rights after completing certain quests in the game to get a house in a fancy neighborhood verses this "adventurer only" thing we got now.

I do hope that they add more housing wards - and sooner, rather than later - but that would still only be a temporary fix. At the moment there is nothing stopping rich players with multiple characters from owning numerous houses. At most, one account should only be able to have a single free company estate and a single private estate.

I really don't understand why they thought it would be a good idea to activate a house moving system at the same time as opening up a fresh housing ward that they knew countless players would all be rushing to lay claim to. I was lucky and managed to secure a small house on Cerberus in the Lavender Beds yet I was hoping to get my hands on a medium or even a large in either Mist or Shirogane. I'm sitting on over a hundred million gil and yet I cannot use it to purchase a larger house for myself due to the ridiculous limitations.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

At the moment there is nothing stopping rich players with multiple characters from owning numerous houses. At most, one account should only be able to have a single free company estate and a single private estate.

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I was honestly surprised to find there isn’t such a measure. I just assumed there was. I thought people would have to give up their previous homes if they bought a new one. I only just found out last night while chatting in Shirogame that some players have multiple, not just a personal plus FC, but multiple across all zones. Like they’re collecting Pokémon.

I was lucky enough to buy a small house this morning. It’s the first one I’ve ever owned. That someone would even buy multiple was something that had never occurred to me as possible. It’s just not the way my mind works. It would never occur to me to buy a second when others don’t have one.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I guess the game was good while the hope lasted. Our FC that we pain stakingly built has no future.

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Does your FC currently have a house? If it does, then this is just an over dramatization of this housing mess. The future of your FC is dictated by the members within, not your housing options or lack thereof. There are many FCs that are functioning without a residence.

I understand your disappointment, and am aware you likely put in a great deal of effort to get the housing, but there are many others who didn't as well. Life goes on, and the game can too.

My FC and I met last week to discuss the possibility of relocating to shirogane, and the throat cutting involved to get in. It was a unanimous effffffff no! We already have everything we'll ever need with our small plot in Lavender Beds.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Does your FC currently have a house? If it does, then this is just an over dramatization of this housing mess. The future of your FC is dictated by the members within, not your housing options or lack thereof. There are many FCs that are functioning without a residence.

I understand your disappointment, and am aware you likely put in a great deal of effort to get the housing, but there are many others who didn't as well. Life goes on, and the game can too.

My FC and I met last week to discuss the possibility of relocating to shirogane, and the throat cutting involved to get in. It was a unanimous effffffff no! We already have everything we'll ever need with our small plot in Lavender Beds.

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Yeah, but everything is full. We thought we’d have a chance in the old wards, but failed.

@ Naberrie, no offence but how much of a chance should players be giving them? People should unsub if they are so inclined to, myself i am borderline.
Housing has been out a while now and they have known about the issues, rather then look at a solution (adding wards isn't one) the problem is just getting larger.

Full how? Is there a limit to number of private quarters, chocobos that can be stabled, or how many players can access the house at any given time? Or is bank space and gardening causing people to butt heads?

What is the actual issue that requires you to relocate or upgrade to a bigger plot?

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Originally Posted by Maero

@ Naberrie, no offence but how much of a chance should players be giving them?

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It depends on how much it means to you. I, personally, always considered personal housing a luxury. As long as my FC had one, I was content. For myself, I wanted one primarily to have control of my own garden, and the fact that I didn’t like having to coordinate with garish interior designers, but both of those were minor annoyances. When I bought my house this morning, I intentionally aimed for a small one. I could have afforded a large, but chose to go small. My needs were small: a stable, a garden, and a room of my own. But I would never quit for lack of them. I played for four years without one, and not because I was expecting to have one someday. I would be just as content today if I did not. I would just be mildly annoyed that I woke up at 3AM for nothing, but coffee cures that.

just want to chime in along the others, bringing this matter further up to get SE's attention; if it works at all.

I feel that the cause of the pain for most of us, is the fact that we all pay the same amount of sub each month (excluding extra retainer fees) and yet we weren't fairly treated when it comes to getting a house for ourselves - a feature that comes along with a game we paid at full price like everyone else.

Please stop being stubborn SE, if it doesn't work, time to change. People aren't going to tolerate forever.

Well i wanted a house too for FC craft etc and when i See People own house and barely use IT they should make place for fc.. but to unsub or say u want leave the game is to much .

I mean manY People wasnt can get a house for years. Just Camp wards

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Originally Posted by Cylla

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This may be surprising to you but MMO's are full of repetition. Players will gladly run that raid and dungeon until the cows come home.

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Originally Posted by Matdredalia

Dalmascus - We were expecting the launcher not to crash out on us. We were expecting the lobby server not to dump us. We were expecting to not be 100% screwed by bad tech to the point that our chances were hurt even worse, on top of the failed system.

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You were expecting all of this on a patch day?

everybody had a equal opportunity to get a house when the server came up shut up and move on

sheesh stop with all the negativity.
If housing was such a big deal for you in one game move to another that has better housing?

seriously theres is more to FF14 then just housing. You have your FCyou have your mate and family. why thing so negatively on a subject so minuscule.

Just enjoy your time with friends thats what playing these type of online games is all about anyways

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Originally Posted by hiedra

I wish instanced housing was an option for FCs. Maybe something like a house on a very tiny island so that one can decorate a front lawn (not having a front lawn seems to be one of the main issues that people have with instanced housing)

Right now I'm on the same boat as you. I started a new FC last spring. We're very small (hard to get members when you don't have a house,) but we were looking forward to new housing. Unfortunately the "Log In" button in my patcher was unresponsive and by the time I got it to work I was already in a 20 minute queue. I logged in and every single plot in every single city was gone. I'm crushed and I'm sure the other members will be too when they log in.

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They already have a similar system in ESO and it works just fine to be honest, my partner and i started playing that MMO out of pure salt just so we could have an in game house together as we raid. SE needs to wake up.

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Originally Posted by Ketsufuma

sheesh stop with all the negativity.
If housing was such a big deal for you in one game move to another that has better housing?

seriously theres is more to FF14 then just housing. You have your FCyou have your mate and family. why thing so negatively on a subject so minuscule.

Just enjoy your time with friends thats what playing these type of online games is all about anyways

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This is your opinion, and I'm not even sure this is your REAL opinion.

Don't try to impose your priority scale to others:everyone has his own brain and can think independently.

For example, I have a FC, my FC has a big plot house in the goblet but I don't care less.

One house per account would free up a lot of land. Let the owners pick which characters house to keep and tell them to sell off the other ones by a certain date. Let them sell through party finder.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

double the amount just for our server,

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If they do that, just for your Server, people will probably travel to japan only to throw rotten Eggs at SE. If they double the amount of Wards they need to do it everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Felis

You were expecting all of this on a patch day?

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Yes.

The game that continues to boast about its numbers. The game that's been out for a few years. Yes, it is a reasonable expectation. Just because it doesn't happen, doesn't mean its not reasonable. They had many "patch days" to figure out how many people would be coming in hot for this.

I see spoiled people

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

I see spoiled people

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There is nothing spoiled about this, housing provides both services and status to the FC and person that owns them, FCs in particular. Housing is one of the few, if not the only, big ticket purchases one can make in this game that won't go obsolete in 3-6 months.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Fher is nothing spoiled about thia, housing provides both services and status to the FC and person that owns them, FCs in particular. Housing is one of the few, if not the only, big ticket purchases one can make in this game that won't go obsolete in 3-6 months.

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I was not talking about you, but if you took the bullet...

Tbh, my FC was lucky enough to upgrade from a small in Lavender Beds to a Medium in Shirogane. However, we did spend a ton of time saving up for a mansion and had planned as well as we could for patch day. That morning, I got a message from one of my friends about how the PC launcher wasn't working for lots of people. It wasn't working for me or another friend. My one friend on PS4 was able to dl the patch, but still had to sit in a queue. When he finally got on everything was already almost gone in Shirogane. The last Medium left was in the least desirable location, but he still managed to get it. While, overall, I'm just happy we managed to get something... It was severely frustrating that after all the hard work we put in, the thing that affected our chances the most was completely out of our hands.

And now some of our FC members can't even access their personal rooms, and we have no idea why. No one can enter them.

It has absolutely nothing to do with being 'spoiled' or 'entitled'. Housing is an increasingly prominent part of the game's development and Shirogane was advertised as a major feature of the expansion. So, too, was Eureka and that has been delayed...but that's a matter for another thread.

It is a major flaw that housing is not accessible to all but a minority of players. It is causing a lot of frustration and bitterness - and understandably so. That there is nothing but radio silence on the part of the developers says it all, really.

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Originally Posted by Enla

I just want instanced housing. It would solve ALL of this if they actually gave housing proper servers as I doubt MOST people actually give a shit about the garden.

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Depends on what you mean by the garden. I mean, the most important part for me is a garden where I can cross breed plants. Other than that, I don't really care about having a garden I can decorate, no.

I understand that some people don't like housing. Some others can't afford it so they don't care. And some others don't care because housing doesn't offer you any utility or something that has a value in gameplay. However SE made it clear that housing is a big and important aspect of the game. They are pouring resources into housing development with every single patch. It takes some part of the trailers as well. New items and features for housing appear in every patch and SE always hyped housing and advertised it as a big feature. So housing is important. Vanity yes but still a cool feature most people want. The vanishing of 720 houses in very few minutes made it clear. 720 houses for a game which has thousands of active players per server is nothing. It was a drop in the pool. SE needs to get their dodos together and start fixing the issue right now. We waited months for this and was big advertised. It even made the headlines today on some major gaming websites. And Jesus vanity or not housing on decade old games was much much better constructed than this farse. We are closing in 2018 and SE can't deliver what others did decades ago.

from anothe r forum post
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...en-Ignored-Yet
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Originally Posted by Matdredalia

Dalmascus - We were expecting the launcher not to crash out on us. We were expecting the lobby server not to dump us.

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But when everybody (or nearly so) tries to log in all at once you should expect all that to happen. The servers are dimensioned for normal loads plus some margin - and normally there is no login problems at all.
When the load is many, many times higher than normal - then problems are to be expected.

This isn't going to change - SE isn't going to double or triple their server capacity just to handle 20 minutes of crowding once every 6 months or so, when the extra capacity is not needed the rest of the time.

Or in other words: All the players trying to get a house all at once were what prevented most of them from being able to even log in.

That isn't really a valid excuse. They know that there's going to be a major surge in activity with each new patch. That has been proven time and time again. At least when Blizzard encountered such issues with World of Warcraft and Overwatch they took the time and resources needed to upgrade their servers - and now each time a patch or expansion goes live it's all very smooth. Treating players with respect and dignity goes a long way and given how quick Square Enix are to find new ways to charge players money there really is no reason as to why their servers cannot be upgraded to handle both the demand for player housing and the strain for players logging on during fresh content launches.