The rising 2017 - Discrimination

So you struggled with a fairly simple puzzle, refused to seek help in solving it, and then proceeded to come here crying discrimination while talking about entitlement and equality.

Someone pinch me, I must be on tumblr.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

The second definition is from the Oxford dictionary. I see no asterix that implies it must be a permanent condition. For someone arguing for sympathy and equality, you prove yourself a hypocritic by debating semantics and thereby excluding people. I also noticed you conveniently ignored my prior mention of that man with TAR syndrome. It's almost like it destroys your entire position: a person with a disability not crying and whining, demanding the world bend over for them.

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i would love to know where you looked - because i looked at the actual word Disability - not the way it can be used. . Like for that basket ball thing that is pathetic in my opinion. People who play basket ball and are only 6ft tall are not disabled.

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

Called me narrow-minded because I called you a whiner after acknowledging your disability, which, once again, I respect to no end. You are being extremely rude towards others, and you're hurting your own cause by actually being that "drunken bar fighter", trying to pick a fight with almost every single soul that has posted here so far, not me.

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And you keep commenting on posts saying things were EASY when you have been told over and over that what is easy for you is not easy for others and you still say it is easy and that you are right in saying it is easy. . . you have no knowledge of these disabilities you really are just looking for a fight. - Also no you no respect for disability and your last posts show that, by saying it was easy and that you are right it was easy - as you have previously been told what is easy for you is not for others. again drunken bar fighter not having a clue what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

But the Cheap Dungeon is a real place? /rollseyes

Hard to be empathetic to your plight, when you dismiss the issues others might have..

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I am not dismissing other people's REAL disabilities i am simply saying that they are catered for when certain ones were not which could easily have been

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

many of the "systems in place" aren't directly provided by the game

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they are actually in the game

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

So why should the game have to provide a special system for this?

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because they cater for so many disabilities the solution to this one would be easy to cater for just by adding color

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

I reject your suggestion of color coding numbers/letters, since the selection of letters is meant to be inflated.

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Well you can reject it all you like - unless you have these issues you have no knowledge of what i am actually talking about - and if you actually looked it up it would be very obvious that things like the system i suggested are already in place and are working perfectly. . .in other situations. Not in the game though - like i have said They just needed to add color to the numbers and letters and it would cater for all.

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Originally Posted by Vierra

So you struggled with a fairly simple puzzle, refused to seek help in solving it, and then proceeded to come here crying discrimination

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No I asked why there was no support system in place - like there are for every other disability that has been mentioned so far . . .

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Originally Posted by Vierra

while talking about entitlement and equality.

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Well you see the fact i pay the same as everyone else - including people who have their disabilities catered for means that i should get equal treatment. They have a support system I would like one in future events which involve words and numbers - possibly adding a colour co-ordinating system on top of the numbers and letters, would be the best and easiest solution - while not effecting people with color blind issues because they already have a system in place for said issues.

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

Really? It took me less than a second to figure it out. It's THAT obvious... didn't even check the letters...

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You first post - yes very understanding

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

I'll reiterate, I didn't even know what the numbers were for, I discovered all of the letters and it was obvious

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your second post - again saying how easy it was and how obvious it was - again so very understanding

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

Only one person has pointed out how wrong I might be (even though I'm not)

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your third post - saying again how easy it was and how you may possibly be wrong but how you are not wrong. . . yes so very very understanding you obviously feel for me a lot. . . and respect my disability

Again you have not got the disabilities i have, and you have been nothing but narrow minded. . . you are like a dog with a bone you just constantly say how easy YOU found the puzzle and how EASY the puzzle was. Again What it EASY FOR YOU IS NOT EASY FOR OTHERS

So sorry to have to tell you again - You are wrong you have a very narrow minded view on disability and it shows through out your posts. Again What it EASY FOR YOU IS NOT EASY FOR OTHERS

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

Again you have not got the disabilities i have,

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So you are unable to put two variables together to formulate a solution? That's not dyslexia...

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

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I've been told once, ONCE, one time, that what is easy for me, might no be as easy for everyone, to what people suffering dyslexia jumped in to back my argument up. So please, stop making things up, people have asked YOU throughout almost 10 pages to stop.
You keep calling others names, you're just unbelievable.
You know what? Shut up already dude.

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

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You're so rude by telling me disabilities are something I know nothing about. You are the one being extremely opinionated, rude, and narrow-minded right there. You have, in fact, been reported for saying such things, as you have no idea what others might be going through only because they disagree with you, even people with nigh the same disability as yours.

I keep checking the thread and only one person has told me about not being easy for everyone, besides you of course. Welp, guess I made things up myself and not you. Also:

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I applaud you for trying so, so hard. But it doesn't seem like your message is connecting with a lot of people. Perhaps it's because you're attacking the people you want sympathy from.

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This right here is this thread in a nutshell.

I called you derogatory things. Right. Being a victimist doesn't help you or your cause, as someone else stated earlier. And you keep making things up. Just look at the likes your posts have, and look at the rest of ours (or mine, for that matter). Absolutely no one agrees with you, how can you be so blind? There's nothing I need to win here, but you keep turning a blind eye to what's obvious. Keep fooling yourself, as you can't do the same with the rest of us. Have a good day.

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

i would love to know where you looked - because i looked at the actual word Disability - not the way it can be used. . Like for that basket ball thing that is pathetic in my opinion. People who play basket ball and are only 6ft tall are not disabled.

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Sigh... I said I was done arguing with you, but since you are insistent on saying that your definition of "disability" is the correct one....

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A simple Google search of "disability definition":

dis·a·bil·i·ty
ˌdisəˈbilədē
noun
noun: disability; plural noun: disabilities
1. a physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.
- synonyms: handicap, disablement, incapacity, impairment, infirmity, defect, abnormality; condition, disorder, affliction
"my disability makes getting into bed a slow process"
2. a disadvantage or handicap, especially one imposed or recognized by the law.
"he had to quit his job and go on disability"

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Disability as defined by Merriam-Webster:

1. a physical, mental, cognitive, or developmental condition that impairs, interferes with, or limits a person's ability to engage in certain tasks or actions or participate in typical daily activities and interactions; also : impaired function or ability

2.
a (1) : an impairment (such as a chronic medical condition or injury) that prevents someone from engaging in gainful employment
(2) : an impairment (such as spina bifida) that results in serious functional limitations for a minor
b : a program providing financial support to a person affected by disability; also : the financial support provided by such a program

3. a disqualification, restriction, or disadvantage economic disabilities
4. lack of legal qualification to do something

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"Disability" as defined by Oxford Dictionaries:

1. A physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.
2. A disadvantage or handicap, especially one imposed or recognized by the law.

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And, finally, your "definition" of what constitutes as a disability:

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

Yeah you are right your situation was not real - you were not forced to go to a REAL sea - I had to do an event or try to do an event which made me face my REAL disability - Also Problem, mine is a real disability not a fear. I understand you have a fear but it isn't a medically recognized disability so no matter how much you want the situations to be the same they wont be.

Also to be honest I'm not sure what your aim is all you have done is say how my disability is the same as a Fear when it isn't - a fear you can possibly get over through therapy - a disability is there for life. Also i am not attacking people - i am just making a point, and saying that a certain disability which is easy to cater for was not catered for and the event was unnecessarily hard for people who have that disability.

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

That is a Phobia they are not a medical condition they are not a disability because of the fact that they can be cured. Disability can not be. i sympathize for him but it wasn't a real situation.

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

OMG Definition of disability - A physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities. One that can not be cured and will remain with that person through out their life time. This is from the Oxford Dictionaries (LOL)

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Nowhere in any of the three definitions I provided (with sources) does it state that a disability has to be a permanent, incurable and non-treatable condition. My definitions include your Oxford defintion, which, lo-and-behold, there is no attachment to the end of it dictating that a "disability" is only that which can be considered incurable and non-treatable. Which brings me back to my original point that physical disabilities are not the only form of disability. Mental and cognitive disabilities count as well, and this includes things such as: phobias, anxiety disorders, mood disorders, eating disorders, somatoform disorders, learning disorders, personality disorders...the list goes on. Since you know so much about dyslexia, you should know that it is classified as a cognitive/learning disability, and is recognized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition as a Specific Learning Disorder. All of the disorders listed in the DSM-5 are medically recognized conditions, and can be considered as disabilities, especially in the legal sense of the term.

I would also like to add that just because some of these disorders can be treated (e.g., with the use of medication and/or therapy) does not mean that they can necessarily be "cured". Some people struggle with anxiety disorders, mood disorders, phobias, etc., for the entirety of their lives. Does that seem "curable" to you? Or are the only disabled individuals the ones that aren't "cured" of their phobias and/or disorders the only considered truly disabled, where as those who are "cured" of theirs are not?

The fact that you continue to insist that only permanent, incurable, and non-treatable disabilities are the only kind of applicable disabilities is proof of your own ignorance. I would suggest you educate yourself on all the conditions that apply under the term "disability" before coming here to bash other's conditions, and insist that yours are more important than theirs.


The tools for you to solve the puzzle may not be in-game, but they are still there. Stop being so prideful and turn to others for help if you're struggling. Like Makasase said, just because you refuse to make use of the tools there (in-game or outside of it) does not mean that they are not there. And while we're on that topic, since you keep insisting there are in-game tools to provide for other's disabilities, let's return to the discussion of colorblind individuals. There is no colorblind mode implemented in-game for FFXIV. The only "colorblind mode" options are provided by external or third-party software. So please explain to me how SE and FFXIV are catering to colorblind individuals when there are no in-game tools implemented to assist them. While FFXIV does have in-game tools to assist deaf individuals (a simple glance at the Accessibility options under System Configuration shows that the only options are visual cues for the audibly impaired), it does not have tools to assist with conditions such as colorblindness.

The way a lot of people learn to live with and cope with their disabilities is to accept them, and find ways to go about their lives with the conditions--not demanding that they receive special treatment for them, or feeling like they are entitled to such special treatment more so over other individuals. Others with dyslexia have came to this thread and told you already that they had no issues with the simple, optional piece of content that was The Rising puzzle, yet you still continue to act as if you speak for the entire dyslexic community. You had troubles; that's okay. But perhaps you would do better to accept it and move on rather than come here and complain, whilst simultaneously attacking others that would be far more sympathetic to your cause if you weren't so abrasive about the entire situation, or if you didn't sit there and say that "your disability is curable and/or didn't involve a real place, so it isn't real and doesn't count as a disability."

I would suggest looking up the legal definitions for disability, as well as reading up on the plethora of information that is available out there regarding it, before coming here to preach about what a disability actually is.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

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Well done. This person's just insulting left and right though, they can't be reasoned with, as proven. This is the first time I see someone should be banned from the forums, for being as offensive towards others probable disabilities as they are.

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

Yeah you are right your situation was not real - you were not forced to go to a REAL sea - I had to do an event or try to do an event which made me face my REAL disability - Also Problem, mine is a real disability not a fear. I understand you have a fear but it isn't a medically recognized disability so no matter how much you want the situations to be the same they wont be.

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Wow.. the arrogance and self-righteousness is overwhelming.
Phobias are just as debilitating when you get in the right situation. You don't understand phobias because you apparently don't suffer from them.

Furthermore, you were not forced to do a puzzle. You wanted to do the quest and voluntarily went into the situation. You were not forced to do the quest and could have left at any time; you were perfectly able to not do the content and would have not been impeded with progression in the game.

Quit making excuses and playing the victim.

I myself had to come to the forums for a hint, and when I did I pretty much kicked myself because it was so obvious. It's a puzzle, not discrimination. Why does everything have to be about discrimination? I don't wanna live on this planet anymore...

Holy Moly... 10 pages of this discussion... I cannot bear to read the rest of the article...

I already see the OP did their best to deal with the problem on the first page; and I'm sure that the problem's already solved by now, and even then it's only a one-time problem. Perhaps it's the OP's fault for calling it "discrimination"... do be careful next time.

We should be helping them to overcome their problems, not to play victim, discriminate or dramatize our beloved players. Come now, let's calm ourselves down. Let us not forget the that we are a healthy community and do our part. :)

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Originally Posted by Lyrai_Celestine

Holy Moly... 10 pages of this discussion... I cannot bear to read the rest of the article...

I already see the OP did their best to deal with the problem on the first page; and I'm sure that the problem's already solved by now, and even then it's only a one-time problem.

We should be helping them to overcome their problems, not to play victim or dramatize. Come now, let's calm ourselves down. Let us not forget the that we are a healthy community and do our part. :)

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I think we would have been far more receptive to that if the OP had not been so abrasive towards everyone that responded to this thread, and was basically saying that their disability was more important than someone else's because someone else's was potentially curable/treatable. They also stated that they did not want to ask for help, or accept any sort of help from the playerbase with regards to the puzzle. I have no qualms helping people, but don't bite the hand that's trying to feed you.

The only one that was playing the victim here was the OP, to be quite frank. This community is extremely nice and helpful (in my experience), but I don't think they would feel inclined to help someone who talked to them the way OP talked to some of us in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Lyrai_Celestine

Holy Moly... 10 pages of this discussion... I cannot bear to read the rest of the article...

I already see the OP did their best to deal with the problem on the first page; and I'm sure that the problem's already solved by now, and even then it's only a one-time problem. Perhaps it's the OP's fault for calling it "discrimination"... do be careful next time.

We should be helping them to overcome their problems, not to play victim, discriminate or dramatize our beloved players. Come now, let's calm ourselves down. Let us not forget the that we are a healthy community and do our part. :)

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Perhaps the vicious circle could come to end if people did not resort to that first when they encounter a problem. First accept that mmos cannot accomadate all types of players and eventually you'll find aspects that trip/displeases you. Then work/find a solution by asking the community without prejudice.

But no. I guess its easier to shout than to speak.

This thread has so much "self-entitlement" in it, that I no longer see where should "discrimination" fits in. OP, people cope with their disability, they don't sit and whine for the world to revolve around them.

millennial's and their "omg if i don't get everything I want even if it means you don't" attitudes.

Maybe you could see if Bernie Sanders could force SE to take all the hard core raiders gear and divide it evenly among everyone, even if they don't raid.

If that doesn't work you could call them all Nazi's or racist and tear down the statues in all the towns.

and if you don't get the gear then you could protest in town because they are all mean and your not , then physically assault everyone with your cellphone out ready for them to throat punch you and record it, then you could post the last three seconds of the video on the forums and play the victim card.

that's pretty much how everything else works.

good luck

I have dyslexia, and I did it. Yes it was confusing, but it's not discrimination. All you have to do is take a screenshot of both rooms, and you can figure it out. I'd rather not get a free pass, just because I'm disabled. That wouldn't encourage me to work for things, and would just undermine my potential capabilities. I'm not braindead, or incable of learning.

This thread becomes objectively less believable as it progresses.

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

You have Dyslexia not the both, so you didn't have as much trouble as some.

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Actually I do deal with both regularly, I just don't complain about it. I put on my big girl undies and find a way to over come the problem.

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

Again issue - you were at a desk the whole time - the situation was not a real situation.

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As for being at a desk, it was still very traumatizing, real or not.

You DO NOT get to tell me what does and doesn't trigger panic attacks, you DO NOT get to tell me that I can't do something because numbers and letters move around in my vision, nor do you get to tell me that other problems I deal with aren't as important. So again either take on all the problems or none at all. YOU DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE WHAT EFFECTS OTHERS, SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR. Go big or go home.

I think maybe the OP is just too lazy to actually try to figure out the puzzles and cries about it on the forums instead of actually trying to solve the puzzles. Don't blame the game or developers for your own personal shortcomings. Adapt, adjust and deal with it.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I have dyslexia, and I did it. Yes it was confusing, but it's not discrimination. All you have to do is take a screenshot of both rooms, and you can figure it out. I'd rather not get a free pass, just because I'm disabled. That wouldn't encourage me to work for things, and would just undermine my potential capabilities. I'm not braindead, or incable of learning to do things.

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I feel like this is very well-said. A lot of people that I know with disabilities would much rather be treated just like anyone else; they do not demand special treatment just because they have this condition or that disorder or whatever malady. On a more personal note, this goes for myself as well. I don't want to be seen as different from anyone else, regardless of what I may or may not suffer from.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I feel like this is very well-said. A lot of people that I know with disabilities would much rather be treated just like anyone else; they do not demand special treatment just because they have this condition or that disorder or whatever malady.

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Making the game accessible to those that are color blind, partially blind, brain damaged, and etc. makes sense. Accessibility is very important, but the key difference here is that the event is accessible. More time should be put into people who literally cannot do mechanics, because they can't function enough to understand that they are there.

I have said something similar in another topic, conditions like these can be overcome with the use of certain accessories, like corrective lenses. If someone is doing their day to day life without the need of these things, why would one feel discriminated with a puzzle in a video game? I can't understand why someone with a medical condition would not use methods to lessen its effects and blame developers.

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

Okay we all love the in game events and thankfully a lot of us can participate in these said in game events - However The Rising 2017 has a stage where you need to pick a password out of jumbled up letters - Can someone please tell me how people who have Dyslexia can do this please, ill make it short and sweet - they can not

Dyslexia is a disability which involves letters - many people suffer from it - I would love to know what Square Enix was thinking when they did this - i mean they basically excluded everyone who suffers with Dyslexia from this event - i mean i cant do this.

I would love to know what they are going to do about this to now level the scales for people who have dyslexia.

I am really disgusted with this to be honest its really bad that a company such as Square enix is making this kind of mistake.

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What you are describing is not discrimination. It's not exclusion. It's not a mistake.

so.. I'm not wading through 11 pages of this. Did nobody else just write down the letters on a piece of paper? even if you're dyslexic you don't HAVE to understand it. Just put it in the same order, or is there some part of dyslexia I don't understand where you can't do this?
I'm all for including people, but calling out SE for discrimination for trying something different with a quest? Going a bit far aren't we? How about saying "Hey, I had a hard time with this, maybe next time supplement the quest with this" or "this quest really confused me, can someone help me out?" ... Don't take it so personal, they didn't make it to frustrate YOU. They made it to give everyone a different thing to do, god forbid they innovate a little. There is nothing they can make that will include EVERYONE, suggest solutions, don't admonish them for unintentional slights.

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Originally Posted by Ariochie9771

...Can someone please tell me how people who have Dyslexia can do this please, ill make it short and sweet - they can not...

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I'm sorry Ariochie9771, but I disagree with you. Dyslexia, as you know, is very complicated and one diagnoses does not fit all so by saying that because you had specific trouble with the quest does not mean everyone did.

I am Dyslexic too and the only trouble I had with this event was figuring out what you had to do; that said, it's a puzzle. If you hovered over the stairs between the levels you could've looked for the number and wrote down the letters on a piece of paper (which is what I did).

A part of having a condition in which your ability to process information is compromised is learning what tools you can give yourself to help yourself out. I personally never leave the house without a notepad, pen and Dictaphone.

this thread should be deleted for abusing the word "discrimination".... even "discrimination" has right not to be abused.

OP give people with Dyslexia a bad name and next thing we know... we gonna have blind people crying "discrimination" at SE for making games that's so detailed that legally blinded people can't play.

Just my 2c - Dyscalculia straight up doesn't preclude you from this event's game. It makes maths hard, and there's no maths involved. Life makes things hard for people of all walks of life, you find your way around it.

Quit your b*tchin.

Source: have dyscalculia and terrible grades in maths.

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Just because you had difficulty with the puzzle which created an inconvenience to you personally by making you spend more time than you wanted doing the event does not constitute discrimination.

They created a puzzle. This puzzle would have a variable difficulty because each individual is different. There's likely a large number of people that got stuck on it for a bit because the meaning of the numbers on the first map didn't process and they literally sat there figuring out every word that could be made with the letters given.

The issue most of these responses have to the OP is that they apparently feel like the world needs to make all accommodations possible to make their personal experiences as easy as possible.

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I have Dyscalculia, been diagnosed since I was about 8, and I solved it. All you have to do is complete the floor map on the first letter and remember where the numbers are. Draw a map if that helps then complete the second map and match up the letters to the numbers and voilà. Don't pretend that people with Dyslexia or Dyscalculia are not able to solve puzzles at all, I am a qualified Teaching Assistant to boot - I work in Primary schools in the UK supporting kids with learning difficulties - puzzles are actually great for both Dyslexia and Dyscalculia. It may take a longer time and require a bit of aid but its not neigh on impossible.

I also don't feel discriminated by this puzzle at all.

You are either a troll or seriously delusional and entitled. Holy crap.

Here's how you do it with every single disability known to mankind. If you can type a post on the forums, you can do this too.


1. Uncover the entire 1st floor.
2. Take a screenshot, whether that be on your phone or through your computer or whatever.
3. Get a piece of paper and a pen..
4. Write 1 down to 7 in a list.
5. Using the screenshot from earlier, go to the areas in the maze on the floor that match up with a number.
6. Once you reach a letter, write that next to the number that fits the screenshot.

Even if you get a letter or two wrong, you will likely work it out. It's a word. And it's related to Final Fantasy.

You don't need to play any word games or scrabble.. It's a matter of "go to 1, find that 1 is the letter F.. Go to 2, find that it's A" etc etc..

It is not that hard. Disability or not. You can do it. Stop using your disability as an excuse and just deal with it like you have dealt with other struggles in life where you may be at a disadvantage.

You're being vicious to anyone that looks like they're even hinting at disagreement, even toward ones trying to help or offering their own problems they had with the game to share experiences and it getting thrown back into their face compared to your current problem. That's all kinds of wrong that is completely at odds with your discrimination outcry.

I have Asperger's, the Wikipedia page for that speaks for itself. Others can be and are worse off in different ways. A call for help if you have a problem or even trying on your own at first and then seek help can be less stressful, or less rude in this case, than what you're saying to some of the people on this thread right now.

I wasn't spared the communication disorder aspect so if I'm coming off as offensive, I'm not trying to. It sometimes takes me a while to try to find what I want to say and it can come out wrong or not what I wanted. I'm posting with no negativity whatsoever. I'm just trying to offer insight, advice, anything.

I have dyscalculia and I just Googled the answer.

You have resources to ease frustration, use them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have aspergers and writing disability that cause me skip word that I am tried write in my sentences, and AHAD, I know that Dyslexia cause you skip words. there fews words the The devs put in

Crystal, Bahamut, Fantasy, Chocobo I think a few more all you need is find letters and figure which one spell out which words on second floor. then event is done.

there subreddit with the answer when you google the answers

There are many games and activities that do not cater too certian disabilities in anyway shape or form. The puzzle in this event is childs play even for a Dyslex person when compared to the puzzle at the end of the game 999; that puzzle deals with letters and numbers as well. I have more games then I can count and they don't cater to every known disability out there. If you going to call discrimination against one company you better call it against of all them, your fighting a battle you can't realistically win.