So uh... whats up with the end game gear designs lately?

IMO the Creation gear looks like the MegaBlocks version of the Ironworks set (LEGO). That's about the best description I can give, the design is similar and function is the mostly the same but something is just not quite there.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I have to say this is a really fundamental truth that seems to have been lost. I mean, I know that what is ugly to some isn't ugly to others, but there are basic fundamentals of style that should at least guide the aesthetics of gear design. I love Japanese style armor, I do not like Japanese style armor over muted colored robes all of which looks like it was washed in a dilute paint called urban drab. Yet that's what we have. I hate armor that completely obscures gender and body shape, and yet that describes about 90% of the gearsets in the game, including the gear design contest winners. It shouldn't be hard to make gear that is pleasing both to the eye and to players who want a level of immersion. However it often seems to me that the gear designers lean heavily towards immersion and forget about pleasing the eye.

It's an MMORPG, I spent a long time creating Kosmos, and I've played her for 4 years now (longer if you include her previous incarnations), and you know, I love taking down the bad guys, but darn it I want to look good while doing it.

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What are you talking about? Most of the armor in this game leans itself to female figure and design? Granted, the cyber men armor isn't the best, but it is not the worst one either. I say that title goes to the shisui set for male models. I say less then half of the armors in the game lend themselves to fully covered body.

These sets are so bad, I was hoping for the SCH inspired winner for the healer set um.. someone help me out here? XD
AH found it
http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/healer/mQjY33nEZw/02.jpg
The yellow script alc tool is also pretty bad:
https://i.gyazo.com/c9e8e4e99e4efb77...1f12273785.png

Why does it have eyes?!!?!?!?! Looksl ike they infused nidhogg's eyes in my alc tool

This thread has devolved into the discussion of some objective ideal of aesthetics.

wut

Are people 'wrong' if they like the Genji or Creation sets?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I hate armor that completely obscures gender and body shape, and yet that describes about 90% of the gearsets in the game, including the gear design contest winners.

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I think the fault was all those threads about female DRG AF1 during 2.0
Since them most of the gears look the same on male and female

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Originally Posted by Princess_Momoka

These sets are so bad, I was hoping for the SCH inspired winner for the healer set um.. someone help me out here? XD
AH found it
http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/healer/mQjY33nEZw/02.jpg

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At the earliest 6 months after the content ended.

Imma get some heat from this but when wow has more interesting armor sets for each and every class.
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screen...mal/608432.jpg
http://www.mamytwink.com/upload/news...n-mythique.jpg
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screen...mal/600689.jpg

I am convinced they don't bother anymore because they figure we will always be glamoring over it again. (Which we do)

It just feels like they run out of ideas...They know how to do good glamour it's just they don't seem to have ideas most/a lot of times. Who here isn't expecting Return to Ivalice gear to just be world of darkness/city of mhach robes?

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I am convinced they don't bother anymore because they figure we will always be glamoring over it again. (Which we do)

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I mean, yeah, I'm always going to be glamouring, but it would be nice to have sets where at least some pieces are worth saving for glamour usage...Though I do kinda like at least the healer coat, I'm gonna have to see what that looks like on its own.

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It just feels like they run out of ideas...They know how to do good glamour it's just they don't seem to have ideas most/a lot of times. Who here isn't expecting Return to Ivalice gear to just be world of darkness/city of mhach robes?

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I'm expecting to Return to Ivalice gear to be straight ripped from the Tactics series and from XII. Since we aren't getting veteran award cosplay gear, nothing is preventing them from slapping cosplay gear into there.

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It just feels like they run out of ideas...They know how to do good glamour it's just they don't seem to have ideas most/a lot of times. Who here isn't expecting Return to Ivalice gear to just be world of darkness/city of mhach robes?

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I'd like to see them inject some fantasy and style into the gear. That's not to say they should ignore the more realistic gear, there is a place for both. I also think that the trend in HW to include attractive gear as a carrot to make people run PvP is a poor tactic because it effectively lock gear that people might wish to use for glamour behind PvP an you end up with many players doing just enough PvP in DF to get the pieces they want, an then they quit. A better strategy would be to make PvP attractive for it's own sake, and allow the gear to be obtained in another manner as well.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think the fault was all those threads about female DRG AF1 during 2.0
Since them most of the gears look the same on male and female


At the earliest 6 months after the content ended.

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You mean 6 months after the contest ended? otherwise I am confused what you mean.

I love the Creation tomestone caster set.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I love the Creation tomestone caster set.

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That and the tank set are the only ones I didnt have issue with, but only because the caster color scheme makes it look better. The off white coloring on the healer set makes it look like a frumpy mess.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

The Omega gear makes no sense.
Instead of inspiring ideas from FFV they make Japanese / Samurai esque gear. I dislike it.

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I...don't think you've played FFV to even really be complaining.
Who's from FFV? Gilgamesh, who travels through the rift? Gilgamesh, what armor can you obtain from Gilgamesh? Genji Armor, what this raid tiers armor based on? You get the idea.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

You know what the answer is though, right?

BIKINI Armor! Yep, Bikini armor for the win!

http://forum.nekomimisftw.com/images...rop[1].png

As I said, Bikini armor for the win!

Now, I have to level WHM get the Shisui healer set for all future WHM glamor utility, and then work on the aiming set on Bard...

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What hairstyle is that? If you dont mind me asking.

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What hairstyle is that? If you dont mind me asking.

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Those are the samsonian locks~

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What hairstyle is that? If you dont mind me asking.

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POTD hair. Can buy on MB. Its probably dirt cheap by now.

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Those are the samsonian locks~

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POTD hair. Can buy on MB. Its probably dirt cheap by now.

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Thank you!

Sailor uniform is the endgame of all end games.

I'd pay 20 on the mogstation to see an altered version of this available for my healer. Minus the heels and a bit more covered.

Recent designs are just horrible and make it pretty clear they expect people to glamour because they can't seriously be thinking anyone will wear the abominations they call gear?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...fefc21ea9a.jpg

So basically people just want more THOT gear for their catgirls.

The Genji sets are god awful, I have no idea who designed them. The winner of that tank gear set design, I actually don't mind it at all. I feel the AF sets were very well done with 4.0 and the Ala Mighan tome gear was unique, but the raid gear is so BLAH. Also, I'd like to see some difference in male/female like the latest AF gear. Some males look too feminine with heels and some armor is SO bulky on females they look too frumpy.

Its because they're both a reference to something.

The tome set in particular is based off the winner of the gear design contest for tanks.

I hate the new tombstone set and the genji set EXCEPT the healer hat, which is very very time mage esque and is going straight on my Astrologian.

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So basically people just want more THOT gear for their catgirls.

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The number of catgirls and Au Ra girls I see running around in the Shisui top and a pair of dyed panties says yes.. yes this is exactly what people want.

People ask for genji armor, SE gives it.
People say genji armor is terrible and say that the design is bad (for a genji armor, really ?)

Don't worry, you'll have more different sets later. Keep in mind that you can't please everyone. I personally like genji and tome gear.

Personally, I like both sets. I don't really dig metal armor normally(Xenobian was the first metallic armor glamour I've ever used) but I really like that they're trying out different designs for gear! Still like my Scion gear on SAM, but maybe I'll finally change my Arachne glamour on NIN... which I've been using since 2.4, haha. Best million Gil I ever spent.

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So basically people just want more THOT gear for their catgirls.

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Please no. ;u; We have too much damn stripper gear already, sometimes it feels like I'm wandering around an odd middle eastern styled club.

I'm pretty okay with the gear we have at this point. The gear from Castrum Abania is really good, the Sirensong Sea gear (while not new) feels fresh because it can be worn on jobs that weren't able to wear it before, and I actually really like the Genji gear. If anything I'm surprised that I dislike the Creation gear, because I quite liked the contest winner's design. But, not everything translates well from one medium to another.

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So basically people just want more THOT gear for their catgirls.

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That's a stretch.

http://i.imgur.com/zxl9Ggk.png

This outfit is a complete mess. It looks like they tried to mash together 5 different styles into one outfit and then just gave up. There are plenty of other designs that they could have gone for without crossing over into your "THOT" gear.

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That's a stretch.
There are plenty of other designs that they could have gone for without crossing over into your "THOT" gear.

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Except, the person you quoted literally has a post above them showing such "Thot" gear.

Also, this gem in the very same thread we're talking within.

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Except, the person you quoted literally has a post above them showing such "Thot" gear.

Also, this gem in the very same thread we're talking within.

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There are two pictures in a thread of 100+ replies. How does that sum up the thread as everyone just wanting more hoochie gear?

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There are two pictures in a thread of 100+ replies. How does that sum up the thread as everyone just wanting more hoochie gear?

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That's just two examples, I didn't state it as fact, but it's prevalent that revealing gear is what people want. I'm not surprised though, most guys playing female characters like something "nice" to look at.

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That's just two examples, I didn't state it as fact, but it's prevalent that revealing gear is what people want. I'm not surprised though, most guys playing female characters like something "nice" to look at.

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Not to be that guy, but being that guy. The sheer number of half-naked catboys and male roe running around tells me that it swings both ways on people wanting revealing gear. Maybe not in the examples in this thread, but there are plenty of examples around.

Personally, I'd agree that the Omega armour looks pretty terrible, especially coming off the heels of the Ala Mhigan armour, which I'm extremely fond of the fending version of. I don't mind the Lost Allagan stuff, but I feel like the dyeable version will help it significantly.

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Except, the person you quoted literally has a post above them showing such "Thot" gear.

Also, this gem in the very same thread we're talking within.

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There are two pictures in a thread of 100+ replies. How does that sum up the thread as everyone just wanting more hoochie gear?

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Hi Skivvy, obviously as you say, it doesn't. Nor does it really address the point of the reply that Erryk is referencing out of context. That reply was a jokey reply intended to play on the stereotype of bikini armor. I thought that was clear to everyone at the time. Granted, Kos does wear bikini armor sometimes, but to be honest that's more of a reaction to the annoying gear designs that boil down to being encased in metal armor that makes me look like a dude, or in lighter gear that is simply drab to look at. Up until yesterday, Kos was wearing the PLD AF gear, though today she glamoured into the Shisui.

Erryk You should read the post you references and the context it is in. It's clearly a fun reply and not entirely serious.

I have posted numerous times that I would like to see feminine armor, that is armor suited to the feminine shape and style, that does NOT mean bikinis and stripper heels thank you very much.

for example ;
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...20120131055023
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...20101017170034

And this being a perfect example of what I mean given that it was part of the tank gear design contest here (Note: this was my favored design in that competition, I was disappointed when what appeared to be more Allagan gear won the day);
http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/GearD...h9ot1p/025.jpg

Or perhaps something more fantastical (though this look needs a skirt);
http://blog-imgs-37.fc2.com/u/r/i/ur...iro_gr32_7.jpg

ErryK you and I have participated in similar discussions before, I would have hoped you remember those preivous discussions and know that I am hardly advocating female gear become hoochie gear.

Humorous reply aside (along with pictures for the heck of it), what I, and I suspect a lot of other female players characters, would like to see is armor that is designed for the feminine shape without simply being billowy, translucent and bikini like. That's not to say that revealing armor is unwelcome, it's very welcome, but given how little actual gear there is in the game that is even remotely as revealing as the Shisui set or the Colosseum set, you can hardly make the claim that there is already a lot of stereotypical revealing bikini armor sets in the game, nor that there is any kind of threat that there will be any time soon.

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Not to be that guy, but being that guy. The sheer number of half-naked catboys and male roe running around tells me that it swings both ways on people wanting revealing gear. Maybe not in the examples in this thread, but there are plenty of examples around.

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Aesthetically speaking, I honestly don't see how people can complain about bikini clad Miqo'te females when there are near naked Roes and Lala's roaming the cities of Eorzea; all day, every day. And especially because (if I remember correctly) nearly naked Roes were once used as a form of protest against a group on a JP server - flooding that group's home with Roegadyn males wearing only small clothes and using skintones that match the small clothes precisely. Quite effective they were too, or so I remember.

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Erryk You should read the post you references and the context it is in. It's clearly a fun reply and not entirely serious.

ErryK you and I have participated in similar discussions before, I would have hoped you remember those preivous discussions and know that I am hardly advocating female gear become hoochie gear.

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Fair enough, but with the amount of near-naked catgirls and dragongirls I've seen on my server (and a few others), it appeared legitimate.

But regarding your main point, the biggest issue with Square Enix is it's that they have to walk around eggshells when it comes to sex-specific differences between gear. Either they don't do it (Hellfire Fending and Striking sets) or they do it (WHM LV70 set, Dragoon Lv50 AF set), this is where the issue lies. If separate, one side might complain that "Why do I have to deal with this" or "Why does this look weird on this sex but not this one?", it's a huge issue that would be solved if they just made a "feminine" set and "masculine set" that dynamically changed depending on race and sex.

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flooding that group's home with Roegadyn males wearing only small clothes and using skintones that match the small clothes precisely. Quite effective they were too, or so I remember.

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Regarding that situation, it was to protest something and was done so on purpose, so that to me is beside the point of 'better looking raid/tome' gear being 'hoochie gear' as you put it.

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Not to be that guy, but being that guy. The sheer number of half-naked catboys and male roe running around tells me that it swings both ways on people wanting revealing gear. Maybe not in the examples in this thread, but there are plenty of examples around.

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I myself sometimes indulge in risque glamours, but the difference being, I don't go around asking for more of that kind of gear and use what's available in the game as is.

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Fair enough, but with the amount of near-naked catgirls and dragongirls I've seen on my server (and a few others), it appeared legitimate.



Regarding that situation, it was to protest something and was done so on purpose, so that to me is beside the point of 'better looking raid/tome' gear being 'hoochie gear' as you put it.

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You're correct, the only reason I mentioned it is because it's probably the most famous example of how players can manipulate characters to appear close to nude. But, clearly it's not typical.

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I myself sometimes indulge in risque glamours, but the difference being, I don't go around asking for more of that kind of gear and use what's available in the game as is.

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Personally I'm OK with a little bit more risque gear for both genders, however I see that as something that needs to be kept under control since we don't want this game becoming some kind of "Second Life" in Eorzea. Though, I would say that well designed and well tailored gear with a sense of style that works with the shapes of each gender would be very welcome.

It's not an either or kind of thing. There is a vast range of options between fully encased in Metal 'tin can' armor and on the other extreme bikini armor consisting of strategically placed scraps of material. I'd like for SE to explore that range, and create gear that people want to wear. Lately it seems that they are instead sticking to heavier armor (whether metal or cloth) and creating gear with drab colors that people actively want to glamor out of sight.

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I myself sometimes indulge in risque glamours, but the difference being, I don't go around asking for more of that kind of gear and use what's available in the game as is.

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As do I occasionally, and nor am I particularly asking for more of it either. But I'm also not opposed to it being added, since it is clearly a desired commodity. Personally I would like more 'mid-tier' armour sets in between, like the below quote.

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It's not an either or kind of thing. There is a vast range of options between fully encased in Metal 'tin can' armor and on the other extreme bikini armor consisting of strategically placed scraps of material.

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One of my absolute favorite sets in the game is the Orthodox/Dravinian fending set, the one that we got the dyeable version of at 64. Functional, yet stylish.
http://puu.sh/wYerV.png
I want stuff like this.

I just wish they would use different silhouettes for some gear. While the detailing varies, everything generally looks the same these days.
That said, I like the job specific gear. Verity is OK.... The rest I do not like so far in SB.

No more healer robes and coats! SE please give the healers some armor like some heavy armor PLEASE!