Seems like you are trying to convince yourself that they aren't a better player than you. :SQuote:
Originally Posted by RobbieH
So I heard you wanted a Hellhound Mount....well..
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10-31-2016, 05:36 AMAviars
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10-31-2016, 05:50 AMaeoncsIt's always hilarious when people with zero clue about PvP try to trashtalk it because exclusive rewards they can't get apparently hurt their feelings. I could just do a Yoshi P on you and tell you to "git gud" but tbh, if you could, you would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
"lower your opponets health before yours, It's not rocket science.", really? The exact same sentence could be applied to every single savage raid, that doesn't make most of them easy. If you don't enjoy PvP, for whatever reasons, that's your cup of tea but trying to badmouth it at its base without ever having accomplished anything in that regard is pretty sad. Gotta love entitled and ignorant casuals trying to sound like they know sh*t while not even having the guts to post on their main. Like, who are you? -
10-31-2016, 06:22 AMBlood-AkiIt's always hilarious when a clueless person thinks when their precious content is criticized they automaticaly default to thinking people are "jealous" for not getting some boring mount exclusive to it that i might add i had no interest in whatsoever, even if it was cash shop or a drop from 1 fight, and even more funny that they think it hurts feelings for whatever reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by aeoncs
And then use the git gud, as if pvp requires some mass amount of tactical thinking. it's like asking someone to git gud at kicking a can. regardless, You clearly did not read the post and just skimmed over it since your baby content was talked down about, as i told the last one. it's not near raid content, That is already pretty clear due to the lack of popularity of PVP in an MMO, you'll "master" pvp content far quicker then say someone trying to master new savage content, Get over your self, if you find it fun, that is fine, but trying to act like it requires some grand players to do is pretty silly.
Oh, and of course, "dude who are you, show your face, who is your main WHO ARE YOU" yea, it feels like you just called a kid's team trash and they start throwing bottles at you, yelling whatever team you like is trash.
Are you serious with this post?
No clue about pvp? yea because it's not about PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER, yea i am completely clueless on what it was. You got me. Because as everyone know, pvp can mean a large number of different things, and only a select few will know of it's true nature and meaning. -
10-31-2016, 06:31 AMRobbieHSomebody got salty with facts, hint: wasn't me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
PVP In this game doesn't have MMR, or i'd like to see you say that again. (^^,)
I like how people think PVP in this game requires a lot of skill when there's these factors:
- Win trading
- Serious balance issues even after nerfs
- People with less than 50% Win rate are in Leaderbords, even in top 10, which proves that people can simply grind until they are in the Lederboards which nullifies the argument of "Skill".
- There's a miserable amount of people playing Feast, must be though competition, cough.
If the Leaderboards were based on MMR/Win Rate you wouldn't have that head of yours, simple as that.
But of course people are going to defend the illusion of this requires a lot of skill "coz I play it". -
10-31-2016, 06:46 AMAviarsShows how low your understanding is about PVP in general. In Ranked Feast a win or loss generates roughly the same amount of gained or lost points. Simply put you win you gain 25 points and if you lose you lose 25 points. Actual percentages don't mean anything beyond the fact that you've reached a rating that you are able to achieve AND maintain. People just starting out will naturally have a higher winrate than 50%. Once they reach a rating that best reflects their skill, the more games they play beyond that will start to drag their rating down towards 50%.Quote:
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10-31-2016, 06:56 AMAraxesDamn.. you are a really salty Person. Wasnt PvE just learning some patterns? Every PvP match is different but yeah... you really need to relax a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
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10-31-2016, 07:03 AMRobbieHI like how you skip most of of the facts because you know you can't counter them, then you find something to brag about and you decide to comment, typical PVP player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
Anyway, PVP isn't just the Feast, the was Wolves Den before it, there was Frontlines before Feast as well, then suddenly a new mode is released and people self entitle themselves as Pro or true skilled and PVE players don't need as much skill.
Yet i don't see the people who say that in World First groups, so much for "skill".
Not really for a simple reason, if you keep winning your win rate remains high, obviously the more games you play the less increase in win percentage there will be, basic math.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
That still doesn't change the fact that if you lose a match you lose Win Rate %, therefor it still lowers your Win Rate %.Quote:
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10-31-2016, 07:20 AMAviars
It is actually sad that you didn't take anything of value from my post and interpreted it in the worst way possible. You made the claim that having a win-rate close to 50% means it takes no skill, in fact it only means you've reached the point to where you can't carry the other people in your team anymore, at least in Solo play. So the fact that people in the top 10 have close to 50% only means they decided to play more games when they've reached a rating they can maintain.
I also didn't respond to your other points because they were just flat out delusional, but i'll bite just to smack you down.
1. Wintrading: Non-existant in solo que, and they've banned the wintraders on Chaos and Aether party ques. So just wrong.
2. Imbalance: It honestly doesn't matter. If you believe there is imbalance then why don't you play the imbalanced class? Oh, you'll probably say 'I'm not as good at that class!' Well that would be you admitting there is such a thing as skill........ Who would've thought right? You complaining about there being no skill in PVP is just a way for you to cope with the fact that you aren't capable of getting the rewards ;/. I actually feel bad for you man. Delusion is real
3. Lack of Players: Again, player numbers don't relate to skill in the slightest. If anything it's a result of people who don't believe they are good enough not bothering to play or people like you who make excuses as to why you wouldn't be in the top 100 and end up not playing. There is also the fact that beyond top 100 there isn't much reason to play because the rewards for the majority are really bad, so people just end up not wasting their time, or they just don't like the rewards.
Also you mention the fact that there are a lot of silvers on the leaderboard. Yea that's a fact. A lot of people on the leaderboard aren't that great. But you saying that noobs can get in the leaderboard then shouldn't it be easy for a great player like you to get top 100? Why would you whine if that was the case? Oh right, probably because you aren't as good as you think and have to jump through hoops to make up a reason as to why you aren't capable. I love how a lot of your arguments include admitting there is a skill factor going on with the leaderboards while at the same time denying there is skill..... Pretty sad man, I wouldn't want to be you.
I also want to add that the MMR in this game is the rating you see in your PVP profile. In Solo que the people you get paired with and against is directly done based on your rating. So another reason why your are just ignorant about PVP -
10-31-2016, 07:32 AMRobbieHThanks, you proved my point with this comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
Doesn't matter, it happened so it's a valid statement, banned or not they still ruined the games for other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
Aviars -2016Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
If there was a lot more players with high skill it would be much harder for you to get wins, how doesn't it relate to skill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
I never called anyone noob, i simply used sarcasm when PVP players started to bash PVE ones that Savage doesn't need as much skill as PVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
I don't play Feast anymore, rewards are bad, just like you also admitted, i don't need to get into Leaderboards for epeen or to prove tryhards because they can't take facts, i feel sad for those who do for epeen, but generally that's PVP players.
Go to a game like CSGO, or LoL, or DOTA for example and get yourself a name, and then come here say you're skilled when you play PVP in a game with half a dozen competitors and even playing unbalanced classes for easy advantage. -
10-31-2016, 07:37 AMAviars
It's funny how all of your responses are dismissive one liners that don't address the argument, and not only that you gutted my responses in your quoting of me to make it look different.
Pretty much shows how YOU can't address a argument and are actually admitting that you are wrong ;^)
Really sad buddy.
Anyway you say you don't care about rewards but the very fact you are lashing out so badly proves that it you actually do care. It just INFURIATES you that people with more talent are getting something exclusive. It actually just makes these rewards all the more sweeter.
I also REALLY enjoy your last comment about getting good in other games like CSGO. You are trying so hard to diminish achievement in this game because you aren't as good. It's really sad. -
10-31-2016, 07:41 AMBlood-AkiWhat on earth gave you any impression i was "salty"? you do understand what that means, right? and yes of course every pvp match is "different" as you don't know if you're going to kept slept or hit with a major attack under the same circumstances, that is how player vs player works. That is why i gave the example of going to a fighting game, any one with common sense of how fighting another live, human player knows every match is different,Quote:
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10-31-2016, 07:48 AMZojhaRevelling in the anger and frustrations of other people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
Talk about:
Pots, kettles...Quote:
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10-31-2016, 07:52 AMAviarsPeople who say there is no skill in PVP while at the same time whining about exclusivity just displays a level of delusion that I find funny. It's a level of contradiction that you can't help but smile at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
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10-31-2016, 08:09 AMTiaHariberux3Actually the PvEr started to bash pvp first lol. Also you say its invalid that ppl got banned etc.? Ehm k then hacking in counter strike makes the game bad too even though they get banned if I remember correctly even the esport scene of CS Go had enough cheaters who didnt received a penalty for a long time.Quote:
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10-31-2016, 08:19 AMFreeKingStefan
The salt here.
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10-31-2016, 08:21 AMBlood-AkiIncorrect, it is pretty much common knowledge and did not need bashing, i can go ask any hardcore raider who also pvps and not one of them will claim pvp requires more "skill" then Pve/raiding. This is how i know most people claiming it does have never stepped foot in savage or was carried through one.Quote:
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10-31-2016, 08:35 AMUnstablePersonalityIt all depends what ranking it's from in the end, because no one truly knows yet, I'd say it'd be top 10 considering what it is. so it's gonna take a lot of skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeKingStefan
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10-31-2016, 08:59 AMPaladinleeds
What if they made it so only 1 player in the entire world got it? I.E. not the top player per datacentre, but the top player in the entire game. One hellhound mount in the entire game.
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10-31-2016, 09:00 AMAviarsIt is probably top 100. The main reward always seems to be the top 100 one, such as the armor in the current seasons. Top 10 will probably just have another crown or a slightly different Hound.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnstablePersonality
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10-31-2016, 09:09 AMZensho
PVE: synchronized swimming
PVP: UFC
Both require skill, trying to prove which one requires more is something that cannot be quantifiable as they are completely different game modes.
In one setting lets take PVE: you have complete control over who is in your pty, hey lets make a static and perfect it till we find 8 people with fast internet, find a meta with certain cookie cutter niche class jobs for said raid, all usually have voice chat, that can memorize a scripted fight pattern as we "team-jump-rope" to victory.
PVP: Solo que feast, you cannot choose your teammates, probably not on voice chat with them, some have terrible internet connections. You have to think quickly on the fly, different pty setups will dictate different strats, tactics on what you are up against, and if any of those roles are certain powerhouse players on the opposite team must taken into consideration. You have to put up with a lot of BS,abrasive people and tempers. It's not for everyone. -
10-31-2016, 11:18 AMRaideDuku
Oh no. I don't PvP! I can't get the super special mount and feel super special! I guess I'll have to console myself with the 30 other mounts I never ride anymore.
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10-31-2016, 11:18 AMUnstablePersonalitySemi curious how hard it is to get to top 100...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
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10-31-2016, 12:48 PMAureliusDraconiumAs a pvp player of other mmos, I can say the fact that "ranked" pvp not allowing pre-mades says a lot. You have to play with randoms which makes it not really "ranked" in the sense but boils down to who signs up to do more matches to get a higher percentage per season. I don't agree with it. In WoW, you cannot sign up for ranked pvp without a party beforehand. the fact win trading still managed to exist says a lot. I have signed up for The Feast to try it and have gotten the same people in my party 3 times in a row, then a new person and then just to have the same people back in my group a match later.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieH
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10-31-2016, 03:07 PMRyuSaarvawhy don't you use those 30 other mounts? I use all of my mounts, that makes no sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaideDuku
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10-31-2016, 04:34 PMNirokunThis is the best description of FFXIV PVP skill I've seen, I hope everyone else who doesn't PVP reads this carefully. I would go further to say that the strategy must be created in a short period of time, understood, and be open to change (because it will change).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zensho
Keeping a clear head (not getting tunnel-vision and playing how you WANT that match to go, instead of how it is actually unfolding) and making those snap decisions is difficult, because there is no script. You have a set of actions and expected reactions, and are always making educated guesses on how to best approach the match. The only relatable PVE concept is "execution", though PVE rotations are generally longer and PVP rotations are GENERALLY (thought definitely not always) more focused on burst damage. The rest is overcoming your opponent through strategy and staying sharp (it's very easy to "tunnel" and lose sight of the match).
Also, with regard to adjustments made in response to "powerhouse players", this is certainly true. They are dangerous because they tend to have excellent decision-making and execution of a plan, as well as "awareness" and communication. Counter-play against these exceptional players (and every player, really) is knowing who you're up against. ASTs have certain weaknesses compared to other WHM/SCH, between Diurnal/Noct, and between individual players. Each player, if you play enough PVP, will have a general style. If you're familiar with that style, you can strategize a counter, if not you're out of luck. Knowing if a healer cannot heal burst, or spread damage, or harassment, or manage their MP--this is all useful information when deciding your next action. Knowing if a tank will actually attempt to kill you and not just harass you is important to you and which cooldowns you're willing to spend (Purify). Knowing the DPS and how they prioritize their targets helps determine who needs a heal or cover.
None of this is in a script, you have to gather it quickly and plan/execute your strategy, being ready to make adjustments as necessary. Surely you can't win them all, but you can learn about the people you play with, and against, for your next match. Did my healer suck terribly? If he's on the enemy team, tell your teammates he sucks and kill him. Or his teammates, ideally both. PVP is fun. :)
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10-31-2016, 06:18 PMKoltikExcept you can play as a pre-made. It's called 4v4 light party, and has a ranking of its own.Quote:
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10-31-2016, 07:02 PMRobbieHYou have serious issues, you seriously do. How did you came to that brilliant conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
People with more talent, here we go with the epeen, pretty much PVP Community in a nutshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
Let me just ask you one last thing since you said imbalance doesn't matter.
- Two Teams
- Equally Skilled Players
- One Team players are Rank 1 and the others are Max rank
- (Not even mentioning class balance issues)
How isn't the max rank team at advantage? This is what you find in Feast, people that are not even maxed in their ranks, so you're at an advantage already. So much for skill when there's NO balance.
Gonna say again, i don't play Feast anymore, rewards are bad and not appealing, what makes you think i should start doing it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone, it wasn't even me who started the PVE vs PVP skill level thing, i like how PVP Players get salty over the fact this game has little competition and therefor skill requirement is way less than any esports game due to that same reason.
I've seen PVP players complaining about PVE rewards in this same thread, and the mount is awful, what's so special about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by RaideDuku
Solo Ranked is always like that, no premades, hence the "Solo",and there is premade, 4v4, can't speak for WoW, didn't play it, you get matched with the same people in the Feast of equal skill level and because it has a little amount of players, if there were a lot you would be matched with different people way more often.Quote:
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10-31-2016, 08:15 PMAivi_loYou just described me. :(Quote:
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10-31-2016, 08:16 PMZojhaIt's also so dead that you can get a place in the TOP 30 players by having a mere 300 rating with about 30 games total.Quote:
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10-31-2016, 09:22 PMLone-wolfe-02
Well this sucks.
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10-31-2016, 10:34 PMaeoncsQuote:
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Was I supposed to get anything else from this post other than one giant "waaaaaah!"? Seriously, have your own delusions regarding this topic and the place several people have in it gone so far that you're just pulling things out of thin air? First and foremost, it's not "my content", it's one of the many I enjoy doing in this game, I'm really not a hardcore PvPer and barely played during the last season. Since this seems to be your only "argument", I might as well stop here but tbh, the way you get worked up like a madman over something that shouldn't even concern you is quite funny, so I'm gonna continue. Trashtalking PvP without having anything to back it up is not critizising content by the way, it's you being a whiny tool.
Comparing PvP to high-level PvE is not even the point here. No one, literally no one but yourself came up with this comparison; the best part is that you've probably never set a foot in savage raids or high-rated PvP.
And if someone masters kicking a can, they at least have the right to say how hard it is to master - unlike you who is about as far away from mastering PvP as your arguments are from being taken seriously.
You still haven't posted on your main, nice distraction tactics. When someone talks about how hard content a is in comparison to content b, while wearing leopard lingerie, cheap make-up and zero achievements in both a and b, a man at least wants to know how much you're talking out of your a**. Apparently, a whole lot.
Tbh, with the current popularity it's not hard at all if you're somewhat decent at PvP. Unless they make some changes to the matchmaking and rating system, on top of those sweet reward/s, anyone who is dedicated and has some PvP "talent" can definitely reach the top 100.Quote:
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10-31-2016, 10:44 PMSessionZero
There's obviously only one solution for everyone biting at each other in this thread.
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11-01-2016, 04:17 AMEsp
Well, besides going off and biting each others heads off about the topic, I decided to get off my own arse and give it a go. 8v8, just to see what it was like. I have to say for the first few goes, it was chaos. After a few matches though, I started to kinda get the hang of things (not completely mind you) and even for the first time LB'ed that poor tank with 10 stacks on my NIN and brought home a actual win xD
It was at least practice, but I think I will start slow. It's for sure much different and more fast paced from PVE. I have a lot to do if I want to catch up. I do have one question:
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11-01-2016, 04:33 AMKai_Lee
Pve or pvp gear doesn't matter as long as it ilvl 180? Or was it ilvl 150? Concentrate on stacking the best secondary stats.
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11-01-2016, 05:52 AMTiaHariberux3You better off with such questions in the pvp forum but to answer it is kinda useful if it comes to secondary stats you want to have ilvl 180/190 with the best secondary stats (mix of pve and pvp gear) cause you dont really need accuracy. Also 8vs8 is way different compared to 4vs4Quote:
Originally Posted by Esp
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11-01-2016, 06:03 AMEspOh, my apologies on that. Forgot this one is General Forums xDQuote:
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11-01-2016, 08:46 AMBlood-AkiNo need, sometimes the posts they make are so dumb not responding to them is the best solution, so they make them selves look foolish, That is why i didn't bother with the last kid, as nothing he posted was even remotely worth responding to since he has an issue actually reading posts and is just typing to type. Tho tho thread has gone on for a while and nothing else can really be added. but here we are.Quote:
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11-01-2016, 08:53 AMTiaHariberux3Well if you trashtalk smth ppl like while never actually tried it then you should expect such replyQuote:
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11-01-2016, 08:55 AMBlood-AkiConsidering i didn't and have tried it, (it's trash) and usually just correct their misinformation this does not apply. Don't trash talk if you can't take it back. His absolute childish reply let's me know he is to young to really hold an actual debate. and refuses to accept a low skilled peice of content is being criticized thus, No point bothering.Quote:
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11-01-2016, 02:05 PMZenshoIs this the Nirokun from FFXI Order of the Blue Garter LS, &Bahamut server? If it is, it's Friskeez, your favorite KRT Monk, and Ballista Royal with cheese fanatic. If it is you, a million hugs, if it isn't thanks for replying to my post anyways! <3Quote:
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