AST buffs in 3.4 Changes to Barries and Cards.

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Originally Posted by ChiiSoSeriouz

B2 proc is an obvious improvement. Spell speed is the same, as diurnal still has it's passive attack speed boost. You kind of have it backwards, cause the instant cast was the useless trait. Overall the changes are ridic how good they are.

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See for me that always proc'd when everyone had full hp.

WHM is gone from endgame almost. Unless they up the AoE damage output from bosses that AST can't cover with a SCH or split the party up so that the extra 5 yalms on Medica II are needed, there's no point in bringing a WHM now over Diurnal. WHM's safety net is just far inferior to what Diurnal can bring now.

• Far superior support with even better tools to control the RNG
• Party wide buffs with the equivalent of Medica II range
• Disgusting mana recovery and healing potency up duration

Just delete WHM from the game now, SE. It brings nothing viable to the endgame now.

At least you'll still be able to clear the content without too much difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

So, patch notes are out, and as expected, I will probably drop AST now since the class changed into something horrible that I hate.

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You seem to basically be unhappy with the change to the Benefic II proc. Like the level with which you are unhappy about that is blowing my mind.

The Instant Benefic proc wasn't great. It always popped for me when people were full or I already had Lightspeed on.

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Originally Posted by Zaj_Quilos

The Instant Benefic proc wasn't great. It always popped for me when people were full

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And what is a different effect gonna change, then? Getting a stronger heal is useless as well when everyone's HP are full :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Yes, I loved it. I played AST 50% for the buffs and 50% for the instant second-tier heal. And sorry to disappoint you but I did competitive content as AST, so appearently I am not part of those "pretty much everyone".
I'm more surprised all those competitive healers appearently didn't know how to utilize the instant cast..^^°


I currently can see no reason to keep playing Diurnal AST. And if all I'm allowed to play as is Noct AST again, I might as well stop playing it since I do not enjoy shielding.
Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I won't try and stop you if you enjoy the changes, but I certainly don't, because they take everything I love about the class away and replace it with things I hate.

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You'll see it when you actually play with the new numbers and compare Diurnal with Nocturnal.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

And what is a different effect gonna change, then? Getting a stronger heal is useless as well when everyone's HP are full :rolleyes:

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In contrast, getting an insta cast heal is useless if you were planning on precasting the heal so that it would heal more damage taken by the tank during the cast.

Hey you can be unhappy with the change but you are basically saying you are ditching the class because of that which is insane. Both have pros and cons. Neither break the class.

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Originally Posted by Zaj_Quilos

Hey you can be unhappy with the change but you are basically saying you are ditching the class because of that which is insane. Both have pros and cons. Neither break the class.

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What is wrong with that? I'm not saying the class is broken now (if anything, maybe too good now, actually).
I'm just saying they took the things away that I liked and based on some quick math we did in my FC, the new playstyle won't be anything I enjoy anymore either.
So I do not welcome these changes, just like many BRDs didn't welcome WM becoming a thing (despite it not changing much objectively because even before, BRD didn't have to move too much, it just COULD).

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Originally Posted by Rennies

In contrast, getting an insta cast heal is useless if you were planning on precasting the heal so that it would heal more damage taken by the tank during the cast.

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Well, the insta-cast just eliminated the need to precast the heal. You can use that casttime to cast something else, upping your Dmg Output and throw the insta-cast heal out at the same time the DMG hits and the result ends up being the same, just with one more spell weaved in.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

What is wrong with that? I'm not saying the class is broken now (if anything, maybe too good now, actually).
I'm just saying they took the things away that I liked and based on some quick math we did in my FC, the new playstyle won't be anything I enjoy anymore either.
So I do not welcome these changes, just like many BRDs didn't welcome WM becoming a thing (despite it not changing much objectively because even before, BRD didn't have to move too much, it just COULD).

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The "playstyle" of that random instant cast being removed? That's made you give up the class? Oh well. *facepalms*

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Originally Posted by Zaj_Quilos

The "playstyle" of that random instant cast being removed? That's made you give up the class? Oh well. *facepalms*

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No, that Nocturnal is so much more viable than Diurnal now.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

No, that Nocturnal is so much more viable than Diurnal now.

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It's as viable.

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Originally Posted by Zaj_Quilos

It's as viable.

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Diurnal is better when shields aren't immediately needed to keep your health above 0.

Also diurnal is better dps wise

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Well, the insta-cast just eliminated the need to precast the heal.

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And this was pure horror, as you had to wait an entire GCD after that instant heal before you coukld cast the next heal.

Or you can't precast the heal for the tankbuster because you have that instant heal proc, which is running out just right before the tankbuster hits (thats not fictive. I had this in A1S).

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Originally Posted by Rennies

You still have Cure III and a better Medica II, and the Mind bonus.

...And Eye for an Eye, I guess. Yeah, Square Enix isn't known for their impeccable balance.

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I'm not aware of any mind bonus. I put my lvl 60 whm and my lvl 60 scholar in the same gear and my heal amounts were identical.

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Originally Posted by Bdyer

I'm not aware of any mind bonus. I put my lvl 60 whm and my lvl 60 scholar in the same gear and my heal amounts were identical.

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WHM grants a mnd bonus to full and light parties. if you have a whm in party heals do roughly 3% more than if you have sch/ast instead.

Still not convinced to pick up AST.
They really need to rework the entire class in 4.0.
I really want to play a different healer but as a WHM/SCH main, I feel like playing just a hybrid.
Really boring gameplay.

I'm staring at all my unidentifieds that I was getting for my WHM, and rethinking dropping AST.

These buffs are incredible.

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Originally Posted by Yona87

Still not convinced to pick up AST.
They really need to rework the entire class in 4.0.
I really want to play a different healer but as a WHM/SCH main, I feel like playing just a hybrid.
Really boring gameplay.

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This has been my thoughts since first seeing the Astro. They created too much of an overlap by copy/pasting skills into the class.
As a result the main skills are nothing that innovative for people who've been regular whm players in particular.

I can't see the class ever getting a real rework. All we can expect is +/- adjustments as things progress.
Still waiting for a battle cleric kind of healer, but may have to wait for a while/ever.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

This has been my thoughts since first seeing the Astro. They created too much of an overlap by copy/pasting skills into the class.
As a result the main skills are nothing that innovative for people who've been regular whm players in particular.

I can't see the class ever getting a real rework. All we can expect is +/- adjustments as things progress.
Still waiting for a battle cleric kind of healer, but may have to wait for a while/ever.

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Yes.
Also, a Chemist, or melee healer would be nice.
Something different.