New Class Speculations

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

I've seen your ideas and now I'm curious. Everyone suggests the job but few people mention the main hand.
Other than SMR being the obvious katana main hand job, what you guys think the other suggestions should use?

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A Healing Mage class with a Prism for a weapon an themed around colors.

RDM would use a Rapier an focus on Thrusts instead of slashes (and use it as a wand)

BLM might use something not considered a weapon like AST, ACN and my Color Healer idea above, maybe a compendium of Monster DNA. Alternately they might use Runes

Dancers would probably be like BRD in their their weapon is both a Musical instruemtn and a weapon. Something like Marracas+Clubs

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

We don't particularly need more tanks either. Really the only niche that isn't filled is melee caster and ranged STR. Though as most people are saying, it'll probably be a STR and INT DPS, playstyle is a tossup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if we didn't get a tank or healer in the Xpac.

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We don't need more tanks, well considering that it's the class that takes the longest to fill slot on DF it wouldn't hurt, more people playing Samurai (if tank), more dps only would just hurt the already crippled DF times.

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Originally Posted by Selsix

You rouse a good point. Still, I expect 3 jobs. Not because we got 3 for HW exactly, but also because XI set a trend for 3 jobs per expansion. 2 jobs is definitely possible, but given that as a baseline and the fact that the 2015 rising event hinted at 3 possibly in the works? It seems more likely.

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Well, of the five FFXI expansions, two of them only introduced 2 new jobs each, and one of them didn't introduce any new jobs at all. You're definitely right about the Rising event, though. It would be pretty annoying for them to practically guarantee two jobs, while heavily hinting at a third, and then only introducing two new ones.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

I'm ok with two, we don't need more healers.

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I hope that they don't feel pressure again to come out with 1 Tank, 1 DPS and 1 Healer. They said previously that they felt it was necessary to do that to avoid huge queues for DPS classes when new jobs were introduced, but I'd much rather deal with that very temporary problem than deal with the permanent problem of jobs not having proper identity. I'm really hoping that they worry more about what new jobs would be fun to play, and work in the game in the long run, and less about how the new jobs will effect the duty finder when the initial rush happens.

Sticking to the idea of hinted at jobs and following the story, I think we're likely to see one of each role again.

Tank: unfortunately samurai, although because Yoshi p seems to have wanted it dps, I think following the lore a engineer type class would work. Utilizing magitek to tank or a judge style class wielding gunblades.

Healer: I would say rdm along with support aspects because it's a class that's been hinted at, however I definitely think dancer would make a fantastic variance to the healer role. Utilizing moves that can regain it's tp.

DPS: again slightly hinted at was blue Mage, which is honestly one of my favorite classes but I'm terrified with how the class will play in ffxiv. If samurai wasn't tank I could see it being here. But again as something following ala mhigo, a mercenary class that dual wields swords like raubahn.

At lastly, I know majority of people don't care about DoH or DoL, but I think we could really benefit from a trapper class. Where you would utilize different traps and baits to catch monsters for hides, bones, and misc mats. It would give players a way to obtain these items with more certainty and incorporate a bestiary giving monsters more lore.

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Originally Posted by Ochretis

Sticking to the idea of hinted at jobs and following the story, I think we're likely to see one of each role again.

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If that is the case then let Fate of Stars be a hint to Gunblade Job. :p

Jokes aside:

As of now they have been really hush hush about things and with Fanfest soon we can only guess what they may be for now.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

As of now they have been really hush hush about things and with Fanfest soon we can only guess what they may be for now.

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We can likely expect another small hint at this year's Rising in August. Maybe a confirmation that SAM, RDM, and BLU are indeed next as last year implied. Or maybe, they hint at other jobs? Or possibly they ignore it altogether and save the news for fanfest. Time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Selsix

We can likely expect another small hint at this year's Rising in August. Maybe a confirmation that SAM, RDM, and BLU are indeed next as last year implied. Or maybe, they hint at other jobs? Or possibly they ignore it altogether and save the news for fanfest. Time will tell.

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I am more interested if there may be more info on Doomtrain since Yoshi-P already confirmed Doomtrain will be arriving in FF14 as a future content.

You cannot stop the doomtrain now it is a hypetrain.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I am more interested if there may be more info on Doomtrain since Yoshi-P already confirmed Doomtrain will be arriving in FF14 as a future content.

You cannot stop the doomtrain now it is a hypetrain.

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I'm pretty sure he stated in a later live letter that the Doomtrain may be in the Garlean empire, and that it also might fly. So we might be waiting a bit for that one.

Chemist - Healer
Req- Level 30 Alchemist Level 15 ACN
Totem-like healing with plants that grants regens and ranged dps. Grenade launcher type weapon throwing AOE ground targeted potion heals.

Red Mage - Tank
Req- Level 15 WHM Level 15 BLM Level 15 GLA
Possibly using black magic like abilities for taunting, low hp with decent self healing abilities, shield for parrying abilities.

Dancer - Ranged DPS/Support
Req- Level 30 Weaver Level 15 ROG
Channels dancing (Should be able to move during) for group buffs. Uses darts or throwing knives, applies DOT poisons.

Geomancer - Caster DPS
Req- Level 30 Miner Level 15 BLM
Skills that change based on terrain like the original fft. That might be a lot of work however, perhaps skills that change based on type of stone equipped on off-hand. Traditional bell weapon to channel spells.

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Originally Posted by Emsii

DoH/DoL reqs for DoM/W jobs

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Unique idea, but the game suffers from people not knowing how to play their job enough already. Having somone unlock a job by doing no combat at all would make it worse.

Odd as it may be, I would love to see a Dancer equivalent tank whose primary niche is using evasion for damage mitigation or potentially avoiding attacks outright. Obviously, this would be quite difficult to balance, but I'd love to see more unique jobs.

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Originally Posted by Daemius

Unique idea, but the game suffers from people not knowing how to play their job enough already. Having somone unlock a job by doing no combat at all would make it worse.

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They would need atleast 15 levels in DoM/W jobs as it says.

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Originally Posted by Emsii

They would need atleast 15 levels in DoM/W jobs as it says.

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Eh, 15 is barely enough to unlock what? More than 5 skills? Let alone learn how your job actually functions. I like your idea from a lore standpoint, especially Alchemist going into Chemist, but from a gameplay standpoint, I have a bad enough time with people who leveled from 1-60 on FATEs.

I got cheated by it rogue becoming NINJA. And not THF. So a dancer would be my second choice to switch my main class from Warrior. Which I've been playing for to damn long and don't find it as fun anymore. However quick ques and my time means something to me is why I keep playing it.

Sam no interest in.
Red mage also very little interest in.

Beastmaster would be fun. But I don't see anyway of it working in FFXIV. It would be to similar to SMN in my mind the way they are currently doing things.
Bluemage the game would need to be reward to much to make it fit. O you don't have XXX ability because you never learned well you rotation is broken without it.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

Bluemage the game would need to be reward to much to make it fit. O you don't have XXX ability because you never learned well you rotation is broken without it.

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Make it a Healer then. They have no rotations to break :P

I have probably said this many times, but I do not want to see this in 4.0:

Tank: Another knight class.
Healer: Another wizard class.
DPS: Another DoW class, we need another DoM dps.

I don't understand the want for Dancer as a healing class. We have 3 magic based healers so to give some variety it would be better to have something like Chemist. A healer that uses science to heal rather than delving into magic.

dancer was sort of like a bard in past ff iterations, besides 11, but as a melee aoe healer/debuffer, i can see it working. dow healer right there. I liked chemist too and was hoping mch was gonna be just that till it was revealed, i think a lot of us were thinking wed get a tp based healer but nawp

They said no new classes until 4.0.

Also, they may not even release 3 classes. I think they'll probably just release two, I don't think spacing them out in patches would be a healthy marketing / gameplay idea. They want people to be excited about an expansion, and new classes is a big pull for FFXIV, I don't see why they'd put such a big feature / hype several patches into the lifespawn of an expansion.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

I don't understand the want for Dancer as a healing class. We have 3 magic based healers so to give some variety it would be better to have something like Chemist. A healer that uses science to heal rather than delving into magic.

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1. People are aprihensive of the idea of having to buy stuff to function, something I don;t they will use with chemist, but since the other iterations dud use items...yeah
2. Dancer runs on different opposite to magic, being a melee close range class rather than a magic long range class (in terms of attacks at least)
3. There is also some Lore problems, magitec including magic by entomology aside, The refernce points used for the setting seems to be in the Dark Ages an Rennasance periods for the most parts, which makes it unlikely that modern medicine such as vaccines and surgeries exist outisde of maybe Garlemald and Allag, to add what does exists int he setting includes Plague doctors (implied by the gear) using Leeches as treatment (SCH skill, though I'm unconvinced that actual leeches are used with them its does still imply their use in treatment) a General lack of hospitals (though that might be to magic cures making them redundant, and surgeries being similar nonexistent), lack of Prostethics and the use of Alchemy. All of which imply that a class that uses medicine would be improbable and as likely as a Gunblade class.
4. Besides, what weapon will they use? Giant Syringes? Scalpals?

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

I don't understand the want for Dancer as a healing class. We have 3 magic based healers so to give some variety it would be better to have something like Chemist. A healer that uses science to heal rather than delving into magic.

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You don't understand the beauty of
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This is why dancer is absolutely needed.

Was it ever confirmed that SAM will be a dps? I just had my money on that being the new tank class.

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Originally Posted by Skotie

Was it ever confirmed that SAM will be a dps? I just had my money on that being the new tank class.

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Actually, during HW's development, they were originally thinking of making SAM a tank class but they couldn't decided how to implement it in Ishgard, story-wise, and went with DRK instead.
They also tossed around the idea of Chemist being a healer before going with AST.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

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Bluemage the game would need to be reward to much to make it fit. O you don't have XXX ability because you never learned well you rotation is broken without it.

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BLU is easy. Learn skills from monsters during job quests. Done. No need to change the system as it is now to fit BLU. As long as the skills they get from job quests are "monster themed" then the class will be a success.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

dancer was sort of like a bard in past ff iterations, besides 11, but as a melee aoe healer/debuffer, i can see it working. dow healer right there. I liked chemist too and was hoping mch was gonna be just that till it was revealed, i think a lot of us were thinking wed get a tp based healer but nawp

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I think most envision dancer as the FFXI dancer

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

1. People are aprihensive of the idea of having to buy stuff to function, something I don;t they will use with chemist, but since the other iterations dud use items...yeah
2. Dancer runs on different opposite to magic, being a melee close range class rather than a magic long range class (in terms of attacks at least)
3. There is also some Lore problems, magitec including magic by entomology aside, The refernce points used for the setting seems to be in the Dark Ages an Rennasance periods for the most parts, which makes it unlikely that modern medicine such as vaccines and surgeries exist outisde of maybe Garlemald and Allag, to add what does exists int he setting includes Plague doctors (implied by the gear) using Leeches as treatment (SCH skill, though I'm unconvinced that actual leeches are used with them its does still imply their use in treatment) a General lack of hospitals (though that might be to magic cures making them redundant, and surgeries being similar nonexistent), lack of Prostethics and the use of Alchemy. All of which imply that a class that uses medicine would be improbable and as likely as a Gunblade class.
4. Besides, what weapon will they use? Giant Syringes? Scalpals?

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It was done for nin in FFXI, but I imagine theyd just do a system where he has charges that auto regen for skills or something. Though if its done cheap I doubt people would mind, we already pay for food and whatever. Previous FF have had skills that let chemists use items for free.

Pretty sure gunblade is coming someday i heard, since yoshi likes them or something, and healing seems either magic or alchemy based as theres quests dealing with potions. I think the chemist would be an interesting fit.

Not so much speculation as much as a want. A warhammer swinging tank, perhaps based off a certain slick Garlean? Would be funny if he was the job quest npc. "What are your doing here I thought you were...." Nero winks, "Shuuuuu. I got a good thing going here." I would love that, he is by far my favorite NPC.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130818202108

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

Not so much speculation as much as a want. A warhammer swinging tank, perhaps based off a certain slick Garlean? Would be funny if he was the job quest npc. "What are your doing here I thought you were...." Nero winks, "Shuuuuu. I got a good thing going here." I would love that, he is by far my favorite NPC.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130818202108

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Green Mages is a melee healer/support class that wields a 2h hammer, I love to see that class in the game as a healer. I just do not want another tank is a knight, another healer that is in robes and casts from afar and another DoW as dps.

While I am almost certain that we'll be getting SAM and RDM, and BLU is a distinct possibility, I would like to see Void Mage added, if only because SE could probably do some pretty nifty things with it. Perhaps have them attack by partially summoning Voidsent through small rifts (hands and claws and the like) for their weaker skills, then increase the size of the rifts for higher level skills. Make them a melee/magic ranged DPS, with damage type being dependent on the skill they use.

Of course, given that SE is most likely adding tank, healer, and DPS withouth doubling down on any given role, I have no idea how that would fit with RDM and SAM unless RDM was a healer, and that wouldn't make much sense as others have mentioned.

Yoshida said they won't do 3jobs at once next time since too stressful.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Yoshida said they won't do 3jobs at once next time since too stressful.

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They said no more new Jobs for X.X Major Updates due to it being too stressful when they were already working on new Jobs for a expansion when they released Rogue/Ninja in 2.X.

The actual amount for X.0 expansions remains a bit uncertain currently as the rumors about how many new jobs are all over the place until a real confirmation on what New Jobs and how many we are getting for 4.0 arrives in Fanfest.

I doubt something like this would come around in 4.0 but I would like to see an adjustment to the job system where you choose based on your preference what path you'll take. For example, if you play Marauder you would be given the choice to take the Warrior (tank) path or the Berserker's (DPS) path. They could apply similar choices to each job to allow for a much wider variety of job options without needing to actually add new jobs. Just something I would like to see added down the road.

Shield tank please

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...sas_Arvina.jpg

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Shield tank please

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...sas_Arvina.jpg

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In a story that I am working on I have a character who would be considered a Shield-Tank, though in my story I call his class Paladin ironically. Anyway, his main stat is defense and he has defensive spells, don't think I gave him a healing spell, since it doesn't fit with his position. Anyway, the weapon is a hybrid weapon I call a Shielblade; three guesses what that is, lol. Basically he has "mini" shields straped to his arms that hide a blade inside that allow him to fight and defend using one weapon not two; though it is a dual wield weapom so there are two anyway. This image looks similar to that concept.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

1. People are aprihensive of the idea of having to buy stuff to function, something I don;t they will use with chemist, but since the other iterations dud use items...yeah
2. as a Gunblade class.
4. Besides, what weapon will they use? Giant Syringes? Scalpals?

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Well in tactics they used knives, or guns, medic in a garlean setting could be a cool spin on it, even thouhg the medicus's use cure 1 aooarentla (but who is to say that cnj couldnt be cross class if there was a chemist class) in the dungeons we fight them in.
Consumables arent necessary, just have a 'mix' function that could act like reload except allows you to 'make an item and use it'
aka an 'ability' that heals, cleanses, regains tp/mp or buffs.
Also maybe give chemist a passive trait that DOES allow them to use phoenix downs in combat, halve item cd times or up the potency of them if used on a party member? I mean ninja gets a higher movement trait and one that reduces fall damage, so traits dont have to be related to skills at ally

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Originally Posted by DroFrehter

I doubt something like this would come around in 4.0 but I would like to see an adjustment to the job system where you choose based on your preference what path you'll take. For example, if you play Marauder you would be given the choice to take the Warrior (tank) path or the Berserker's (DPS) path. They could apply similar choices to each job to allow for a much wider variety of job options without needing to actually add new jobs. Just something I would like to see added down the road.

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They already stated they aren't doing something like that after they didn't like how the way SCH and SMN worked turned out.

I still would like to say I could see DNC as a healer focus more on sustained healing over time and effects but perhaps still being allowed to attack up close. Honestly I just want some changes to the system more than we have now. Healer can be boring at time for me cus your not really in the action, your behind the lines. Surely we can somehow work a melee range healer. It would at least be different and the healing could be a direct correlation to their MP when performing somewhat like bard songs. So a good DNC would know when to play certain dances (let them be like Stances- perhaps even change the idle animation in relation?) Perhaps not as strong healing up front but the constant HoT they provide could be enough to help off-set it.

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Originally Posted by Daemius

BLU is easy. Learn skills from monsters during job quests. Done. No need to change the system as it is now to fit BLU. As long as the skills they get from job quests are "monster themed" then the class will be a success.

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That is how I kinda vision it, just gotta get hit by the enemies skill a few times. Of course you always have that 1 NPC who tags along for healing. Gotta take a big whiff of a marlboro's bad breath to learn it. Guess if they wanted to go further some skills that would be learned normally (outside of quests) say at level 4, instead of learning the skill you get a tip box that informs you a new skill is ready to be learned from X mob. Just have to go find the mob, engage and just play the waiting game. Before anyone says that is to much work, honestly most mobs will use their skill on you within like 10 secs of the fight and being in the general job area to start I'd assume you'll have seen them multiple times. Plus I know this is not 11, but I assume the task was MUCH harder but I never played BLU there.

Some skills took forever to learn in FF XI.

If we look at the proportions of the classes, and what SE has done up til now and where the story will lead to, we can predict a little.

3 tanks, 3 healers and 7 dps

I'd start with the tanks or healers.

Then next step, what has SE already done? The samurai is already done to be implemented. A visitor from doma could just clear that, since we have connections for this possibility.

What could be a healer then? The surgeon could be a completely new healer class, with syringes crafted by perhaps a cooperation of the Chemist guild master and the garlond metal works.

A DPS should be red mage from ala mhigo or a traveling swashbuckler or a new class guild for the ishgardian nobility, since they want to share their knowledge now or something.

Late to the discussion, but excited at the prospects of Samurai, Red Mage, and/or Blue Mage being added. Any idea if previous classes from other games, such as Holy Knight from FFT would be considered?

2.0 SCH (Healer), SMN (cDPS)
2.4 NIN (mDPS)
3.0 DRK (Tank), AST (Healer), MCH (rDPS)

3 Tanks [PLD, WAR, DRK]
3 Healers [WHM, SCH, AST]
2 cDPS [BLM, SMN]
2 rDPS [BRD, MCH]
3 mDPS [MNK, DRG, NIN]

I think a caster/mage-type dps is due for an addition at least. They haven't added one of those in a while.