Female Sundrop Dance

Actually, I'm pretty sure the animations for the Vanu are not the exact same as the ones for the player characters. I know they're not for the male version because when you stand there with the Vanu dancers it looks different. So I assume it would be no different for the female characters.

What's really wrong with it is that it seems to be more "cutesy" than fierce. Particularly the Miqote in the gif above, it's like "Aww look at her she's trying to be all badass isn't she adorable?" which isn't really what the dance is supposed to be about.

I play a female character to play as a female. If I wanted Male animations, I would've just played a Male. Having shared animations is dumb as it is. Having the same animations, loses gender identity and I for one hate it when a game treats me as a male when my character is clearly a female.

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Originally Posted by Corfish

The difference is that the female vanu look into it. They're actively dancing to be aggressive. Female characters however are just going through the motions. "Arm... Arm.. Salute... Salute..." They look bored and very nonthreatening, which beats the purpose of the dance.

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Could it perchance be fixed by changing the eyebrows of the performing character?

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Originally Posted by No2631

Could it perchance be fixed by changing the eyebrows of the performing character?

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Lmao, that made me spit my drink on my laptop.

Also, I'd say maybe. I think eyebrows also could make you more adorable. K-on Example:

http://i.imgur.com/NjHqBqD.gif

Pickles ftw

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I play a female character to play as a female. If I wanted Male animations, I would've just played a Male. Having shared animations is dumb as it is. Having the same animations, loses gender identity and I for one hate it when a game treats me as a male when my character is clearly a female.

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This is a great attitude to have.
The "everything should be the same for everyone" crowd is uniquely strange. I'm not sure if they want a game full of life and vigor, or a grey cubicle simulator.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Lmao, that made me spit my drink on my laptop.

Also, I'd say maybe. I think eyebrows also could make you more adorable. K-on Example:

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I don't mean changing the eyebrows themselves, but their position. A great deal of expression is in your eyebrows. The Miqo'te on the last page looks fierce performing the haka, but her hair hides her eyebrows. So it could just be a problem with the eyebrows making it look expressionless.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean, I get that the female dance looks a bit expressionless but I'm not sold on that being in the movements.

I just think the whole thing looks incredibly stupid. I skip the cutscenes from the vanu vanu dailys that show me doing it

I would be embarrassed to try to emulate that dance in real life. The room I'm in would probably erupt in laughter.

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Originally Posted by No2631

I don't mean changing the eyebrows themselves, but their position. A great deal of expression is in your eyebrows. The Miqo'te on the last page looks fierce performing the haka, but her hair hides her eyebrows. So it could just be a problem with the eyebrows making it look expressionless.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean, I get that the female dance looks a bit expressionless but I'm not sold on that being in the movements.

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Oh, yeah I suppose, though wouldn't that mean we'd have to spam the angry emote to look fierce? Btw I think the faces already have a mean look to it, its just the body movements that seem to break apart from it and make it look all synthetic and silly. Like hat robot from star wars.

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/201...4220523-11.gif

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Originally Posted by ValyrianBlood

Why do u need to have gender locked things? Does it bother you that irl boys can do everything girls can do and vice versa so you need that pointless restriction ingame??
Since so many ppl are 'the sundrop is based of a real dance' why does this bother so many to let everyone do everything like actually irl??
Do you have any contributing suggestions and arguments yourself or did you just came on here to be sarcastic and insulting? :confused:

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It's not a restriction it's giving genders more identity. What you are suggesting will take away from that there will no longer be any difference between females and males and there are far more pressing issues the devs need to focus on rather than some whiners such as yourself getting pissy because they can't have everything, so again i ask any more bright ideas you'd like to suggest?.

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Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

It's not a restriction it's giving genders more identity. What you are suggesting will take away from that there will no longer be any difference between females and males and there are far more pressing issues the devs need to focus on rather than some whiners such as yourself getting pissy because they can't have everything, so again i ask any more bright ideas you'd like to suggest?.

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Actually our characters don't really have an identity other than WOL status. Giving us gender identities won't really do much or even matter since everyone is open to anything except glamour, but if we could all wear the same armor and gear that'd be more options for or characters giving the devs something flexible they can work with in the future.

I'd also like to suggest taking the "Devs should work on something else" statements and use them to make your own threads (in fact unless your a dev member you have no say in the matter). If you don't like general Discussion threads then why are you even here? (not just saying it to wolfe)

The man looks like he is looking for the bathroom.
The woman is directing traffic.

They're both ridiculous, but the female version is *dull*. I don't have to be wrong or right to express that opinion; I don't even have to respect the source of the dance to state this, either. I don't like it, I wish they hadn't done it this way, and I'd like it changed.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

This is a great attitude to have.
The "everything should be the same for everyone" crowd is uniquely strange. I'm not sure if they want a game full of life and vigor, or a grey cubicle simulator.

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And I reeeeally find the 'certain stuff for certain gender' uniquely strange and really don't understand this at all. Why is a game where females can only do stuff x and males only stuff y full of life and vigor while a game where females and males can do both x&y if they choose a grey cubicle simulator? Why would mix and match as you please be boring? I find such restrictions kinda obsolete since irl both genders can do pretty much anything and it makes the world the opposite of a grey cubicle.
In the case I understood it wrong: it's not about give everyone the same thing. It's about give everyone both so they can choose.
I'm all for both dances for both genders

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Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

It's not a restriction it's giving genders more identity. What you are suggesting will take away from that there will no longer be any difference between females and males and there are far more pressing issues the devs need to focus on rather than some whiners such as yourself getting pissy because they can't have everything, so again i ask any more bright ideas you'd like to suggest?.

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So it DOES bother you the oppostite of your gender CAN actually do what yours can irl - why is that? And why do you need a gender identity in a game? You look at your char and BOOM you know it's female. You wont get a gender identity crisis when you're able to do a weapon idle stance that was restricted to dudes.

Also rather intersting what your definition of 'whiner' and 'getting pissy' is :rolleyes:
Nobody is saying THIS is a pressing issue that needs so be changed asap - it's a thing that we'd like to have changed sometime - giving feedback is a thing, you know?
Also no need to be sarcastic and rude since we are trying to have a mature conversation here?? If u had a bad day maybe don't go on the forums with that attitude and drink a nice cup of tea instead :o

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Actually our characters don't really have an identity other than WOL status. Giving us gender identities won't really do much or even matter since everyone is open to anything except glamour, but if we could all wear the same armor and gear that'd be more options for or characters giving the devs something flexible they can work with in the future.

I'd also like to suggest taking the "Devs should work on something else" statements and use them to make your own threads (in fact unless your a dev member you have no say in the matter). If you don't like general Discussion threads then why are you even here? (not just saying it to wolfe)

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An entire thread of people missing the point.

There are 2 animations. 1 looks like shit. Nobody asked to get the non-shit version given to everyone, they just use it to compare quality. I agree it looks like shit.

What people want is for the shit version to be polished to stop looking like shit. The female dance is currently made of soft lazy movements. The positions don't matter, the movements just aren't forceful. Polishing the animation to add more power and intention behind the movements is all people want.


I know I would be upset if my version of a thing wasn't up to the quality standards of the version someone else got.

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Originally Posted by Callback

An entire thread of people missing the point.

There are 2 animations. 1 looks like shit. Nobody asked to get the non-shit version given to everyone, they just use it to compare quality. I agree it looks like shit.

What people want is for the shit version to be polished to stop looking like shit. The female dance is currently made of soft lazy movements. The positions don't matter, the movements just aren't forceful. Polishing the animation to add more power and intention behind the movements is all people want.


I know I would be upset if my version of a thing wasn't up to the quality standards of the version someone else got.

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Some people I suppose, but this is my stance too. Female dance just looks pretty bad. Pretty much like "ho hum I am bored and apathetic as hell" dance, which is nothing at all like a strong tribal dance. Can't say I'm upset. I just won't use it. Am disappointed though at the missed opportunity.

The female haka is far more intense than the female sundrop dance.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

I'd say just drop it, but unless Yoshida personally comes to your home and tells you no, you likely won't take no for an answer.

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I don't think many of them would accept it for an answer even then.

It really is a case of "if someone tells you no, just keep asking/demanding/stomping your feet and pouting - and makes sure to use lots of strong-sounding terminology, and a healthy dose of hyperbole if necessary, to make it sound like it totally is a really big deal - because people totally don't see through that".

It really does boil down to people getting angry because they can't have something they want. They're being told "No", and the part of their brain that tells them "I should have what I want, because I want it, and no one can tell me no" can't accept that.

In a word: Entitlement. And no, I don't care "how often that word is used". It's a valid word, that perfectly defines the behavior of people in this game, around this situation, and many others. If the shoe fits...

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

It really is a case of "if someone tells you no, just keep asking/demanding/stomping your feet and pouting

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Does that mean there has been an official response? Please link it if it does.

My opinion: the female dance looks lame. My character is a warrior (and a pretty important one at that) she's taken down some of Eorzea's biggest and baddest and this is the best she can do? She showed more passion chasing off the 'peeping toms' in Forgotten Springs.
The Vanu quests have her supposedly showing the Vanu how to be fierce and intimidating but she just looks bored and rather silly.

I'd certainly like to see the animations changed.

I like how people are basically saying to an entire culture, "Your culture is sexist and wrong." How racist can you be. The Maori people have danced it in this particular way with gender differences for a reason. How dare you tell them they should "equalize" the dances for whatever reasons. It's their culture and it was simply adapted per their customs (Male and Female dances differently) onto Vanu Vanu who are inspired by Maori culture. Stop being racist against Maori and their customs.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

This is a great attitude to have.
The "everything should be the same for everyone" crowd is uniquely strange. I'm not sure if they want a game full of life and vigor, or a grey cubicle simulator.

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And I find that being able to costumize your grey cubicle with the same tools as anybody else to be the true display of one's uniqueness and imagination. There is no value or entertainment in in rarity and exclusivity. It is the most lazy and boring method to make something stand out.

Good and bad songs are made from the same note, good and bad paintings are made with the same colours... you get the idea.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

Does that mean there has been an official response? Please link it if it does.

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No, and at no point do I imply otherwise.

I'm describing a very common behavior exhibited by people who believe them wanting something is all the reason anyone should need to give it to them, and they refuse to give up 'til they get it, nothing more. Don't read so deeply into things, you end up finding what isn't actually there :).

Why oh why would you necro-post this thread back to life and invite people to complain about this again just to say that people shouldn't be complaining about this? The last post was in January, you should have just left it alone.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I play a female character to play as a female. If I wanted Male animations, I would've just played a Male. Having shared animations is dumb as it is. Having the same animations, loses gender identity and I for one hate it when a game treats me as a male when my character is clearly a female.

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Late post, but this already happens at male highlander /pose shared for all races.