the 2016 Frontline tier list

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Originally Posted by Cherub

To be honest I feel like Putting AST SMN and WAR into their own SS+ Tier.

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None other jobs can achieve what those 3 jobs can achieve WITH EASE.

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I agree with it considering how easy is to get a good output with not such high effort, maybe except for WAR, honestly I dont' think that it is very simple to use it, an inexperienced player will just run into the enemy party and badly die in 5 sec, or live a lot keeping defiance up ut achieving just some random kill.

Taking in consideration the squishiness of different classes, I think BLM and PLD has the highest one and really make a big difference for a class survivability (not talking about healers).

Probably we should put a list of the top tier job for different situation, like "Top Killer", "Survivability", "Party support", "Friendly to use"...

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Originally Posted by Cherub

SMNs burst is superior to anything else.

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MCH would like to have a word with you.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

MCH would like to have a word with you.

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He probably means in the sense that its so easy to use even for unskilled players and can be used on the move and from safe distances. I dont think he actually means its the strongest burst among all dps cause its definitely not.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

He probably means in the sense that its so easy to use even for unskilled players and can be used on the move and from safe distances. I dont think he actually means its the strongest burst among all dps cause its definitely not.

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Yeah, its not easy to do. However, it can be used on the move and from a pretty safe distance as well.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

He probably means in the sense that its so easy to use even for unskilled players and can be used on the move and from safe distances. I dont think he actually means its the strongest burst among all dps cause its definitely not.

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Yes, pretty much. Thank you for clarifying in my stead.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

To be honest I feel like Putting AST SMN and WAR into their own SS+ Tier.

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Not a single one of those classes performs best-in-role in Seal Rock, funnily enough.

AST is strong at kiting, but it lacks emergency throughput - outside of ED and Retro, AST is completely beholden to the GCD. Synastry is very strong in-group, and Lightspeed is powerful, but AST gives up the healing power of White Mage and the burst power of Scholar in exchange for mobility. Mobility doesn't win large engagements, and Astrologian lags behing both other healers in that scenario.

SMN is very strong against disorganized players, and at picking players off, but it has a fatal flaw: It cannot actually kill players under the effect of Testudo, Thrill of War, Focalization, or tank LB, even if they aren't wearing VIT gear or otherwise protected. Their non-crit burst is only in the neighborhood of 10k, and they create almost no pressure outside of it. A group of coordinated summoners can rain Deathflare, but any class is powerful over VOIP - Summoner struggles to contribute "real" damage outside of idealized scenarios, and a SMN-heavy team withers when their opening burst fails to secure an advantage.

Warrior is an offensive juggernaut, and the closest of the three to "best", but truth be told: there's enough damage out there, no matter what tank you're playing. Warrior's damage is fantastic, and Holmgang / Thrill of War are quality utility, but it's really hard to say it's "better" than Paladin's ability to lock down a player (especially a healer) for 4 full GCDs.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

Yes, pretty much. Thank you for clarifying in my stead.

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No point in trying to educate,I give up. smh.

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Originally Posted by ChelsBee

Sorry haven't been able to post for a few days, someone got the joke on page 3

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Originally Posted by Rhode

You would haven to make a tier list for each job type. PLD, DRK, and WAR all function completely different than WHM, AST, and SCH and should be in no way compared to them in the same list.

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The thread's over we can all go home now

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Hey everyone

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Originally Posted by Houston009

No point in trying to educate,I give up. smh.

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I basically agree with what you pointed out and you respond as if I didn't? I mean...what?

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Originally Posted by Cherub

I basically agree with what you pointed out and you respond as if I didn't? I mean...what?

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I must have misunderstood, my bad bro.

Excuse me by why is the straigus reyist class not S tier?

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Originally Posted by Kyani

Also, Dark Knight is bad and your best case scenario is being a slightly beefier Machinist turret.

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Originally Posted by UlricCraft

[*]DRK - Less useful than a PLD, less DPS than a WAR. When I heal vs these you almost just ignore them.

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Most burst explosive tank doesn't have dmg in PvP.. k
I don't have enough nopes for this..

As people have already said, tanks are extremely balanced for Seal Rock with different uses between them. Wolves Den is a whole different beast and DRK suffers extremely there because no plunge and no C&S makes it lose two essential (probably the most at that) abilities for PvP.