Anima weapons - Last step

The thing I am unhappy about is the specialty crafting requirement for the HQ turn ins ><. I hate the fact that there are recipes gated behind specialty to begin with and this just makes me hate this idea even more. Get rid of the specialty only recipes. Instead do what specialties were supposed to do in the first place which was let people that did not want to level all the crafting professions get access to the skills that omni crafters have. The big draw of final fantasy is the ability to work and eventually do everything on one character. Desynth and now specialty crafting both are a step away from this nice feature of the game :(.

I'm just grateful for the new content.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

I'm just grateful for the new content.

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What new content did the relic quest add?

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In fearful day, in raging night,
With strong hearts full, our souls ignite.
When all seems lost in the War of Light,
Look to the stars, for hope burns bright!

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Just when did hope die? Lets believe there is some hope left...

So in order to get 1 out of 80 items needed for the 4 anima items, I must get

10 Alex boss kills
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13 beast tribe tokens
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680 poetics / law
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1000 allied seals / 2 or more maps

Doesn't sound too bad. MS roulette + 50 roulette is half the daily poetics and 5 Alex kills a day is doable on top of roulettes. That's 2 items in 2 days. Or I can do Ex roulette + 60 roulette for law every day. Or some hunts for allied and poetics. If it's possible to make progress on all the anima items at the same time I could do Ex, 60, 50 and MS roulettes every day and be done in 80 days whilst doing something I always do. The occasional map or hunt will make it faster.

Anyone know if you can start getting Beast Tribe tokens before doing the Toughening Up stage of the relic? I only ask because I'll have time to do the former before I raid tonight, but certainly not the latter. Rather not be a day behind on getting what I can for the last step.

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Originally Posted by hagare

sigh.... why can't they just make us beat the HM and EX primals >_>
this is just.... cruel and unusual punishment.
with SS on top for DRG :p

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Don't worry, that'll be coming next set of upgrades...

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

Anyone know if you can start getting Beast Tribe tokens before doing the Toughening Up stage of the relic? I only ask because I'll have time to do the former before I raid tonight, but certainly not the latter. Rather not be a day behind on getting what I can for the last step.

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Yes, they are an optional reward from the top tier of the 4 ARR tribes; you select a token or a venture.

This step really isnt that bad. The worst part is the expensive crafting items. The rest is just doing daily stuff then if you want to grind you can do that too in alex normal. But now that im on day 2 this has reminded me how much I hated sitting around waiting for beast man daily fates to pop. Such a waste of time. So glad they got rid of fates for the Vanu.

I got 8 of my items yesterday just from currency I had saved up. Every 5 days you can get 4 items from beastman dailies. Youll likely be getting one every few days from law and poetics as well. If you do 1 of your own maps a day thats another chance at 1. Put in some grinding in Alex when you have the time for a few more. Once you're done you should be averaging more than 1 item per day. Taking it fairly easy this could be done in 60 days. Grinding heavy less than a month. Thats about the standard for other relic stages.

Just X out the Crafting part and this is actually really simple and not so reliant on Gil, but most ppl will be stuck at that HQ crafted items bs cause of how much that's going cost ahh I feel my Gil dropping to zero as we speak and I'm not even at that part yet XD

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

Looks like this relic is gonna be another hopefully sometime before I die of old age long term goal for glamor only again for anything other than hardcore grinders or people who have ALOT of playtime available. New ilvl released before I ever complete it probably.

If the weapon doesn't look better than Zeta, I'll probably end up ditching this all together. For now, just take it at my own pace when bored and nothing to do. SE sure likes to "keep its subscribers" if you know what I mean.

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Bro i'm disabled and have all the play time i want and still this grind isnt realistic. I think you mean hardcore grinders and botters.

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Meta: "Gil is pretty useless. It just get's you glamors and housing. It doesn't really help your character at all."


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Meta: "We need gil for our relics? I thought gil was useless! This is so unfair. Now only crafter's will have relics!"


/facepalm

Biggest issue I got with the new relic is that there's literaly 0% new things involved. It's just the same old stuff I've already been doing for ages, without a single new thing to do. I'd have less problems with it if it actually involded at least SOMETHING new, like a daily quest, or small dungeonfights or something. Instead it's just... keep doing what you've been doing for half a year, this time you'll get something for it?

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Yes, they are an optional reward from the top tier of the 4 ARR tribes; you select a token or a venture.

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Actually Sanu Vali quest rewards have it as well. :)

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Originally Posted by Vasala

The thing I am unhappy about is the specialty crafting requirement for the HQ turn ins ><. I hate the fact that there are recipes gated behind specialty to begin with and this just makes me hate this idea even more. Get rid of the specialty only recipes.

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If they dropped the craft item requirements then I can deal with the rest. But after spending 1.5 million Gil on the Zodiac Phase alone I want nothing DoW/DoL Quest related to every require Crafting never again. Makeing DoH items nessisarry for certain DoL quests and that\\'s fine. But DoH is as parasitic to DoW/DoM as it is Symbiotic to DoL.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

Pre 3.15
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Meta: "Gil is pretty useless. It just get's you glamors and housing. It doesn't really help your character at all."


Post 3.15
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Meta: "We need gil for our relics? I thought gil was useless! This is so unfair. Now only crafter's will have relics!"


/facepalm

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since gil was soo little usefull (mostly because SE had tons of currency) people don't always have...Farm useless gil, i dunno on Excalibur but one relic is about 8M for the whole 16 item... that kinda insane for a i210 weapon that will be fast obsolete

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

So, am I understanding this correctly? Once you finish step 2 (dungeons), you get an i200 Awoken weapon. So, then you have to finish the ludicrous step 3 before you can start the first two steps for a different Awoken weapon?

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FYI-
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3485991

Specialist crafting is bad itself, put it to anywhere it is still bad. ^^;

It defeats the "play every job in one character" concept we were told, it just encourages ppl to make alts.
It is predictable that if players like specialist, then later battle jobs will have the same thing,
i.e. select a Role or 3 Jobs as your specialist role/jobs for special abilities etc.

Since 2.0 a lot of ppl questioned what's the point of crafting and we told them it was to be self-sufficient,
so it is very depressing when the best point of crafting has been defeated by SE.

The thing is battle classes don't need to depend on Crafters for armor. We have tomes, Void Ark or Raid / Tokens for that. Same for accessories unless you are one of those people that HAVE to have pentamelded accessories before you do end game raiding. So why then do we have to need crafters for our relic weapon when we don't need crafters for any other end game weapon or armor?

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

Did people already forget about the previous relic grind pre-nerf??? Or is this all the HW players getting cold water thrown on them? There's ALWAYS been a grind associated with the relic chain. 3% atma drop rates. 15% dungeon atma. Millions of gil for materia and crafted materials. Brayflox myth farming, anyone? Garuda HM bonus for 4(!) lights.

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I would take Garuda light farming at it's unnerfed light amount over this grind ANY day. That was easy compared to this. Even the shortest route to this which is about 640 Alexander runs (factoring law gained from it), will take a considerable amount of time more so when you consider the actual player base general skill on Non-JP servers. Quite a grind indeed but one in very poor taste. It's also quite literally every step from the Zodiac quests CEPT Animus books. Zero originality.

Another thing that really bothers me is, you are going for a weapon, that literally has two stats again. While some of the combos might be different than current weapons, look at some of the ranged options a sec. MCN for example is abyssmal, why? Cause the Thordan weapon has the same weapon damage as the 210 relic but far superior stat combo. Invalidated weapon out the gate. For some other classes, there are better options elsewhere granted both still need to clear A4S at least.

What is the aim of trying to give a weapon through pointless grind that gives you two secondaries again. I would argue they could have added a third to make it WORTH doing this. Make this grind WORTH going through. Nope nothing, some bad stat combos iirc MCN BLM SMN PLD, and that's about it.

But the none raiders must be jumping for joy to some extent, you don't have to be able to clear A4S now at least. Just gotta sit and grind recycled content for months instead.

Seriously, Players need to start asking themselves, what has Heavensward changed considerably about the formula they had in ARR. Few and far apart examples.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

The part that infuriates me the most is the goddamn HQ crafted items again. So, this is just another means to net crafters even more gil, while making those of us who aren't specialist crafters suffer.

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-slow clap- YOU JUST SLAYED EVERYTHING.

Does no one have any friends that craft? No crafters in your FC at all? If you get them the mats they'll more than likely craft them for you for free.

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

Does no one have any friends that craft? No crafters in your FC at all? If you get them the mats they'll more than likely craft them for you for free.

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Nope, none are that high. Most of us do not like crafting at all, and the few that do have been too busy with leveling their battle classes to craft.

The relic experience/story should be the reward, not the gear! :D

Enjoy the experience and worry less about what ilvl your rewards are, stop comparing yourselves to other people and just enjoy the content! LOLOLOL