Patch 3.15 Notes Discussion

The annoying part about these redacted patch notes is that they couldn't even release the names of the 3.0 job weapons. I get it, the secret for the old jobs is cool, but at least give the new jobs something to look forward to. Build up the hype. Especially if there's an atma grind in our upgrading marathon.

TBH At least I have a reason to go and do certain Fates, and some help with fate grinding my alts and getting all the fates with star named enemies (I only need End of the Rainbow thus far) and getting the Mists Superboss FATEs done (Darkscale and Verdolfnir), maybe I can actually get the Fat Choco card as well

That is assuming that the atma phase doesn't get skipped, then again there are also alts and not everyone would have a Zeta at this point

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

i hope to god there is no gil investment this time.

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seems preety unlikely unless the food is needed to turn into an NPC for a quest (in that case we'd be better off getting an FC room, because we are never gonna be able to get a house even if lots open up on the 25th/February)

i hope to god there is no gil investment this time.

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

i hope to god there is no gil investment this time.

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There are new crafting items that seems to use timer, script and other stuff to craft might want to start making a funeral for your gil pouch.

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Originally Posted by Temaridesertstorm

The annoying part about these redacted patch notes is that they couldn't even release the names of the 3.0 job weapons. I get it, the secret for the old jobs is cool, but at least give the new jobs something to look forward to. Build up the hype. Especially if there's an atma grind in our upgrading marathon.

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DRK= Caladbolg

MCH=Quicksilver (but this is also the name of a Mat) OR Death Penalty

AST=?

Just guesses.

I think if there was some small distinction on the Anima Weapon or in the quest based on your trade-in, I would be more willing to overlook it.

The reality is that for a lot of people, their relic has been with them for a while and they worked hard to get it. There is a sense of partnership and ownership. To forsake that and trade it in to get the exact same item that other people will get with only a slight discount on investment leaves a pretty bitter taste in your mouth.

I'd be fine if it said on the Anima weapon "crafted from the fabled Zodiac weapon, ______." An extra perk like a different color glow or something would also be nice. Something that would show a visible sense of remembrance and not some forgettable quest skip.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

DRK= Caladbolg

MCH=Quicksilver (but this is also the name of a Mat) OR Death Penalty

AST=?

Just guesses.

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I wish on some of those. Quicksilver might be the better guess for MCH, since Death Penalty is already a named weapon in the game. Damnit Admiral, why'd you have to get the best weapon name? >_<

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Originally Posted by Temaridesertstorm

I wish on some of those. Quicksilver might be the better guess for MCH, since Death Penalty is already a named weapon in the game. Damnit Admiral, why'd you have to get the best weapon name? >_<

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Yes but keep in mind the previous relics were also held by NPCS. so it could happen.

I'm still stuck on the Gordian stuff doe...

I wonder if the reason why the names aren't know is becuase they actually don't have names? What if they are willing to allow us to name our own Anima relics? (Yeah I know is is likely wishful thinking)

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Yes but keep in mind the previous relics were also held by NPCS. so it could happen.

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Like Thyrus? But in that case, it wasn't being wielded by its owner anymore.

Personally, I just hope they look cool. I'm pretty much prepared for both trading-in and starting fresh, but if we're having semi-frequent upgrades, I don't want to have to glamour all the time if the designs suck.

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

They don't HAVE to come with annoying grinds. A Relic Reborn was an honest-to-goodness actual quest.

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The grind for the first relic was nerfed down. Look at 1.0 relic guides to see the not nerfed grind of the first relic.

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Originally Posted by Temaridesertstorm

Personally, I just hope they look cool. I'm pretty much prepared for both trading-in and starting fresh, but if we're having semi-frequent upgrades, I don't want to have to glamour all the time if the designs suck.

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I'm prolly gonna glmaout the zeta replica (or zeta itself) over the new relic if they turn out to not be dyable under any circumstances. I'm trying to color-code my classes to all the colors of the rainbow (plus white and Magenta) and It seems unlikely that the BLM relic will be purple

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

5) Anima Crossing... Okay, I'm done. You win localization team.

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Tom Nook wins. Tom Nook always wins.

i'm kinda bothered that they even haven't let us see what look like the different relic...

Hmm. If I have to give up my Zeta, maybe I won't skip it. I don't mind grinds... I mean sure I complain but I'll still DO it.

I spent hours upon HOURS for my Zeta. Sure, it's essentially useless now, but I've never actually taken it off my character. It's glamoured onto my current weapon and the actual Zeta has been sitting in my Armory Chest since I've had to unequip it. Useless, waste of space? Sure it is, but I still worked for it.

Not sure if I'm all that ready to give it up.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

Tom Nook wins. Tom Nook always wins.

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A single upgrade will cost 10,000,000 bells... I mean gil.

I'm not sure why people think the Anima weapons would be i205. When Relic weapons have been upgraded they've always received the same ilvl as the best Raid weapon at the time:


i115 High Allagan (T9) -> i115 Relic upgrade
i135 Dreadwyrm (T13) -> i135 Relic upgrade.


Not to mention Thordan EX is being pugged pretty easily these days. Grinding out an i205 Anima would be pretty pointless when there's already an easier option. Everything points to the Anima Weapons being i210.

I could either keep my Zeta I spent months building, or I could simply view Anima as the next step for my relic weapon and relinquish it with no issue just like I did for all the previous relic steps up to Zodiac.

Hrm.

Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

I could either keep my Zeta I spent months building, or I could simply view Anima as the next step for my relic weapon and relinquish it with no issue just like I did for all the previous relic steps up to Zodiac.

Hrm.

Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Except the prior steps transferred stat to the next weapon once you finished Sphere Scrolls.

This doesn't.

Hrm? Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

I could either keep my Zeta I spent months building, or I could simply view Anima as the next step for my relic weapon and relinquish it with no issue just like I did for all the previous relic steps up to Zodiac.

Hrm.

Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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This is sorta what I'm conflicted about.
Ultimately, the Zetas are a complete weapon, storyline, what have you. It's over. The Anima weapons are a completely different thing, thus it wouldn't be that half-finished barely made of wood relic it was I started a year ago.
However, the fact that this brand new weapon, a new story, may essentially be made of the essence of your old weapon is intriguing, like it gets to be reborn or reincarnated.
"See? I'm useful again now."

Sorry but I guess it's just a difference of opinion and how much a person values little pixels or not.

Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Felis

The grind in ARR relic was nerfed down. Look at 1.0 relic guides to see the not nerfed grind of the first relic.

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Yeah, but I have the feeling the grind would be even more tedious than even the unerfed grind (take a look at what became of the once casual activity of Crafting and find out why)

crazy prediction time

• Beastmen currencies are needed, you nee 10 stacks of 99 each for their step
• Radiant crystal drop rates are even lower then unerfed atma. We're talking even lower than Coffin Lid/Wind-Up Succubus
• Need Thordian EX for Astral Node and Alexander: Gordeas (all 4) for the Umbral nodes, maybe Ravana and Brismark EX as well
• You need all the new crafts to get them and each of mats will take 2000 red scripts...each
• Oh and you have to Run Coil, CT, and Mhach raids...synched
• the reward? not an i200 weapon, not an i210 weapon, but a i250 weapon! (By the time anyone even gets their relic Patch 3.2 will be out and with it Alexander part two which will also have i250 gear, ilevel subject to increase depending on if too many people fail to get it before the 3rd raid tier hits)

Okay now that I posted the worse case scenario, at least take solace in the fact that SE isn't THAT crazy. BTW are we gonna expect full patch notes soon or is this it?

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

Except the prior steps transferred stat to the next weapon once you finished Sphere Scrolls. This doesn't.

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Says who?
/10char

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

Says who?
/10char

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Seeing how the only perk we get is a skippable step over those that haven't done it, I think it's obvious.

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Originally Posted by Kedo

Crappy stats... it's an irrelevant weapon at 60, a glamour piece at that point there is your difference, all that other stuff doesn't matter anymore gil spent/time.

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And the Mona Lisa is no better than a good copy of it. Worse, really, because it's so old that it takes a lot of work to keep it nice looking. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

This is sorta what I'm conflicted about.
Ultimately, the Zetas are a complete weapon, storyline, what have you. It's over. The Anima weapons are a completely different thing, thus it wouldn't be that half-finished barely made of wood relic it was I started a year ago.
However, the fact that this brand new weapon, a new story, may essentially be made of the essence of your old weapon is intriguing, like it gets to be reborn or reincarnated.
"See? I'm useful again now."

Sorry but I guess it's just a difference of opinion and how much a person values little pixels or not.

Oh well.

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I don't think its a matter of how much a person values it, but how they choose to value it. Like for example, I think its a giant waste and "disrespectful" to all the time I put into it to just let it sit there entirely useless instead of using it to aid my progression, because spending the time to level the weapon was always about that uphill climb in value to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

Seeing how the only perk we get is a skippable step over those that haven't done it, I think it's obvious.

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For all you know, the first step is focused on building up the secondary steps of the new relic, and turning in your old one transfers over the stats. Conjecture to prove a point doesn't get you anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

Says who?

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says the fact that the zeta isn't needed for the anima...and PS3 limitations :p

Serious answer: The Anima weapon can be attained without the Zeta, ergo the weapon can (and mostly likely will) be earned with default stats. Also the base relic also had set stats, unless there is gonna be a custom stat option, but even then it is unlikely that it would retain the customized stats of the previous relic

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

Seeing how the only perk we get is a skippable step over those that haven't done it, I think it's obvious.

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I see to recall that there was mention that the personalized stats would carry over, or that the stats would be slightly better with a trade-in. Not quoting, just mentioning what I recall.

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Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

I don't think its a matter of how much a person values it, but how they choose to value it. Like for example, I think its a giant waste and "disrespectful" to all the time I put into it to just let it sit there entirely useless instead of using it to aid my progression, because spending the time to level the weapon was always about that uphill climb in value to begin with.



For all you know, the first step is focused on building up the secondary steps of the new relic, and turning in your old one transfers over the stats. Conjecture to prove a point doesn't get you anywhere.

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You sure like to throw that word around.

As if you are any more right than I am. Rofl.

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Originally Posted by Temaridesertstorm

I see to recall that there was mention that the personalized stats would carry over, or that the stats would be slightly better with a trade-in. Not quoting, just mentioning what I recall.

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Gonna need source or I call BS. I've seen no live letter stating this.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

You sure like to throw that word around.

As if you are any more right than I am. Rofl.

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Never claimed I was right, just presented a counter-point to the assumption you're throwing around as fact. Anyway, dropping this now.

<3 Hildy! <3

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

Gonna need source or I call BS. I've seen no live letter stating this.

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As I said, not quoting. Just something I thought I heard mentioned in the live letter for 3.1. I'm not saying it's true. I might have misheard or misunderstood.

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

i hope to god there is no gil investment this time.

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you know there will be eventually, maybe not this step or the next.. but eventually. It was a good gil sink, of which the game does not have enough. I suspect it will be a larger sink this time when it comes.

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Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

Never claimed I was right, just presented a counter-point to the assumption you're throwing around as fact. Anyway, dropping this now.

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Pretty sure I never said it was fact. My opinion is fact. Yours is not? Okay, gotcha.

It was never said, so I think it's safe to assume since Yoshi-p SAID we got to skip a single step, that's all we got.

._. Why you care with ilv 135 again while you already have ilv 205 weapon already? Are you gonna use it to troll people in dungeon or what?

Beside of all the Anima, that Adamantite Fransesca. It names like FFXII's axe weapon :)

I've been doing some of the old Relic quest for kicks as I started with 3.0 and thus never got the chance to properly experience that. I probably won't bother finishing and just jump straight into the Anima weapon. Grind? Speak for yourself. As long as its well-done, I love a good grind. (Grinding FATEs for Atma is a good example of a 'well-done' grind to me.)

No, what *really* gets me is that the new side story requires you complete the Hildibrand questline. Now, granted, I'd entertained this idea before and even started the first Hildibrand quest, but spoilers have long led me to suspect Hildibrand wasn't up my alley. I haven't even completed the required FATE yet. I eventually gave up under the reasoning that I likely wouldn't enjoy the story. The academy sidestory interested me because it was specified to be a 'serious' story.

But now it looks like I have to get through Hildibrand anyway. FML. I suspect this will be painful, but who knows? Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Originally Posted by Eul

._. Why you care with ilv 135 again while you already have ilv 205 weapon already? Are you gonna use it to troll people in dungeon or what?

Beside of all the Anima, that Adamantite Fransesca. It names like FFXII's axe weapon :)

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Sentimentality, not usefulness....

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Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

For all you know, the first step is focused on building up the secondary steps of the new relic, and turning in your old one transfers over the stats. Conjecture to prove a point doesn't get you anywhere.

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Seeing that we can use any Zeta to skip the first step, and not the Zeta specific to the job we start the new relic, I doubt it. Or it would end with BLM secondary stats on MNK Anima.

Hmm those luminous crystals sound more like the Mahatmas to me, charging it up through fates instead of like dungeons/trials. I'm fine with that as long as its not like atma drops with full on BS RNG nonsense...ugh...