[NA] Ifrit Bleeds, We Can Kill It (Hyper): COMPLETE

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Originally Posted by Richardd

HP/MP materia are important for the fight and our core kill group wasn't even fully slotted. You will not win on materia alone because the fight has a high skill ceiling. It is get out of the fire, get correct positioning and dps balls to the wall 24/7 or you will lose.

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Sounds easier than the Naxx dance if there's only fire! I'll have to check it out once I hit 50.

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Originally Posted by EmeraldHill

Sounds easier than the Naxx dance if there's only fire! I'll have to check it out once I hit 50.

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lol......enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Richardd

lol......enjoy.

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lol......I will.

I got a lot of catching up to do. Been with the game a bit less than a year but crap was boring so I chose not to play.

There should be a masochist achievement for people who have more than 3 50s before the patch xD

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Originally Posted by Richardd

Kill#5 - Ifrit's Cudgel and Claws. One more kill for the night and then working on the OP Guides. How To Video will be up sometime tomorrow or the next day.

Cudgel Stats

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"ifrit's anal beads IV"

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I dunno whether to :cool: or :(.

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Originally Posted by Richardd

you must be new here.

It was 5 days, 20 hours a day spread over roughly 150 attempts. Yes the skill requirement on the first major boss is this high and yes materia farming is required and No what people were talking about was a damage parser to compare dps.

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...shiiiit lol, 150? ;\ That is a little daunting number, I knew my group hasn't done as many attempts as you guys, but damn, we haven't even reached 1/3 that number :(((( Going to be a long week....

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

...shiiiit lol, 150? ;\ That is a little daunting number, I knew my group hasn't done as many attempts as you guys, but damn, we haven't even reached 1/3 that number :(((( Going to be a long week....

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Or you could be better and get it done sooner? You won't magically get it at 150.

Congrats to you guys!

But i'm curious about something.
Is LNC better than ARC now or something? I see you used a lot of LNC lol.
It's been almost 2 months since i played, so i dunno if there were changes made to it.

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Originally Posted by EmeraldHill

Or you could be better and get it done sooner? You won't magically get it at 150.

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I'm aware of that, but just trying to put some things into perspective with number comparisons. I'm sure BG was at the point where we are at for the longest time with most of their attempts trying to finish rather then getting to P4.

Which I can completely believe, because P4 right now is proving to be a bit of a challenge and a wall, we come so close, but end up just shy of the victory.

Defeating Ifrit in under 10 minutes grants the achievement:

Ifrit Defeated in Short Order!
Carraway Author (Rabanastre) has made short work of the primal Ifrit!
10/10/2011 2:00 a.m.

We personally hit a wall with the phase 4 -> phase 5 transition. The bulk of our attempts were spent getting that transition, and then phase 5 itself, down. I think Rich is working on something to accompany the eventual video (we're not going to rush Peng on uploading the first kill, since we destroyed his sleep schedule this past week), but basically you have 60 seconds in phase 4 to figure out how you're going to survive phase 5.

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Originally Posted by EmeraldHill

Or you could be better and get it done sooner? You won't magically get it at 150.

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A lot of linkshells probably will kill it well before our ~150 attempt count once we release the how-to guide. Tons of things became clear after so many attempts.

This encounter is by far one of the hardest I've ever done in any MMO period. I can only think of maybe 1-2 WoW bosses that took anywhere even remotely near the number of attempts to bring down. A large part of this is due to how the game is designed (animation lock) but that's just the way the game is so really you cannot blame it, and there is a way to get around and minimize the lock.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

I'm aware of that, but just trying to put some things into perspective with number comparisons. I'm sure BG was at the point where we are at for the longest time with most of their attempts trying to finish rather then getting to P4.

Which I can completely believe, because P4 right now is proving to be a bit of a challenge and a wall, we come so close, but end up just shy of the victory.

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Wiped so many times around 10% it was sickening. P5 is just so damned unforgiving, you HAVE to be flawless. We all feel your pain.

Theres a P5? lol
Shit...whens that happen? 10% or so?

Did you take lvl 25's into the little ifrit fight to do a portion of your testing? 150 attempts at the big fight seems like an awful lot of inferno tapers.

The L50 fight is nothing compared to the L25 fight... the L25 fight is a joke, he doesn't do half the things he does in the L50 fight.... therefore you can't prep for the L50 fight off the L25 fight.

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

Did you take lvl 25's into the little ifrit fight to do a portion of your testing? 150 attempts at the big fight seems like an awful lot of inferno tapers.

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No level 25 testing. Your Inferno Lamp is only consumed when you win. After that, you have to pick up the quest again from Louisoix and get a new Inferno Lamp made. Currently there's also a display error where the chat log says you hand over an entire stack of Inferno Tapers, but really it's just 5 more.

Also, tapers shouldn't ever be an issue with the occasional spiritbonding/coffer-farming at Zanar'ak.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Theres a P5? lol
Shit...whens that happen? 10% or so?

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We count phases like this:
Phase 1: Ifrit only performs auto attacks
Phase 2: @80%, Ifrit begins using abilities
Phase 3: @50%, Ifrit glows, begins using abilities in slightly shorter intervals, activates Sear (AoE pulse for ~250-350 damage). The behavior of many abilities changes.
Phase 4: @30%, Ifrit summons four Infernal Nails.
Phase 5: @60 seconds after Phase 4 begins, Ifrit uses Hellfire, then resumes using his abilities in even shorter intervals than in Phase 3. The behavior of many abilities changes again.

Congratulations.

Just noticed that when you engage with the Ifrit weapons they have a sound bite. Upon the weapon being wipped out and igniting there is a flame igniting sound. Like when you turn on a fireplace, a sorta swoosh flame sound.

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Originally Posted by carraway

No level 25 testing. Your Inferno Lamp is only consumed when you win. After that, you have to pick up the quest again from Louisoix and get a new Inferno Lamp made. Currently there's also a display error where the chat log says you hand over an entire stack of Inferno Tapers, but really it's just 5 more.

Also, tapers shouldn't ever be an issue with the occasional spiritbonding/coffer-farming at Zanar'ak.



We count phases like this:
Phase 1: Ifrit only performs auto attacks
Phase 2: @80%, Ifrit begins using abilities
Phase 3: @50%, Ifrit glows, begins using abilities in slightly shorter intervals, activates Sear (AoE pulse for ~250-350 damage). The behavior of many abilities changes.
Phase 4: @30%, Ifrit summons four Infernal Nails.
Phase 5: @60 seconds after Phase 4 begins, Ifrit uses Hellfire, then resumes using his abilities in even shorter intervals than in Phase 3. The behavior of many abilities changes again.

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Ah, I see. That's why I was confused.
We don't count the usage of abilities as a phase, we start counting phase2 as he turns red.

So I guess my previous statements of where we're at would really be in P5.

Good job guys, congratulations.

Congrats!
You said that you loose the key item if win...need kill all Nm again or just get the last one?

Grats!

JP side got some person crying asking for hint for strategy and people telling him/her to at least try different stuff out but the person still complaining so... I linked this thread and OP's images... Hope that will keep him/her quite for a while lol

I heard the ifrit loot is screw up where it is auto loot to a player inventory instead of the loot list... is it true?

I guess it's true as they said that 2 player without the job has the items now, if it werent like that as it is a LS they will have given it to party member that at leat have the job (or at the very least want to up that job)

If that's true, the fight just became less appealing >_> I wonder what SE's thought process is doing it that way (if it's true)...

Well tbh we are mostly stuck in having everyone live the Hellfire transition point (we can get 4th nail down to 35% before Hellfire... so a little more DPS and we can avoid it all together right?)

Ppl missing Sentinel and such has messed up any real serious attempts at the end of the fight.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Considering the fact that currently atk doesn't seem to affect weaponskills much or at all the ifrit dps weapons are better than putting materia into crafting weapons.

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This is... untrue.

1.18 gear: Blindside + RS2 + Fer2 = 670-700 top end Doomspikes, ~350 low end (2000%-2500% no buffs)
1.19 gear 0 materia: Same buffs = 760 top end Doomspikes, ~375 low end
1.19 Materia gear (50 atk, 9 str, 9 dex) = 870 top end Doomspikes, ~450 low end.

1 attack is roughly giving 2 damage on doomspikes average, if the materia you socket on body gives +ATK to crits instead of crit rate (don't know... don't have one yet), and you dual socket ATK to gloves, weapon, and dual socket that +Crit Attack to chest you'll be seeing top end Doomspikes of 1100 damage, which is nearly double what a 1.18 geared LNC can do and 1.5x what you do with no materia socketed.


What attack doesn't seem to be affecting is normal hits on Ifrit. Murderous Intent seems to be the best way of increasing damage done during that time, too bad it has a long CD.

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

Well tbh we are mostly stuck in having everyone live the Hellfire transition point (we can get 4th nail down to 35% before Hellfire... so a little more DPS and we can avoid it all together right?)

Ppl missing Sentinel and such has messed up any real serious attempts at the end of the fight.




This is... untrue.

1.18 gear: Blindside + RS2 + Fer2 = 670-700 top end Doomspikes, ~350 low end (2000%-2500% no buffs)
1.19 gear 0 materia: Same buffs = 760 top end Doomspikes, ~375 low end
1.19 Materia gear (50 atk, 9 str, 9 dex) = 870 top end Doomspikes, ~450 low end.

1 attack is roughly giving 2 damage on doomspikes average, if the materia you socket on body gives +ATK to crits instead of crit rate (don't know... don't have one yet), and you dual socket ATK to gloves, weapon, and dual socket that +Crit Attack to chest you'll be seeing top end Doomspikes of 1100 damage, which is nearly double what a 1.18 geared LNC can do and 1.5x what you do with no materia socketed.


What attack doesn't seem to be affecting is normal hits on Ifrit. Murderous Intent seems to be the best way of increasing damage done during that time, too bad it has a long CD.

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NQ shepard's pie for example gives me 69 attack and if your numbers were correct that would mean using shepard's pies would increase my doomspike damage by 138 points of damage, my highest doomspike without a pie is 820 damage and my highest with a pie is 832 damage.

If attack effected weaponskills in the way you say i should be seeing close to 1k with +1 shepard's pie and using my hart guisarme that has +28 attack in it and yet i haven't.

If someone can provide 100% proof of your claims i would be happy to accept them but from personal testing if it does give any extra damage to weaponskills at all the increase is extremely minimal.

Edit: It could also be that food buffs aren't providing the same buff to weaponskill damage that attack on armor/weapons do which is entirely possible, if that is the case than a 2/3 materia'd +2/3 hart guisarme will probably be higher damage than the ifrit lance.

I will try to test it when i start getting a decent amount of attack materia but sadly so far i have been super unlucky with materia and haven't had too much time to spirit bond between sleep and ifrit attempts.

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Originally Posted by Kasty

I guess it's true as they said that 2 player without the job has the items now, if it werent like that as it is a LS they will have given it to party member that at leat have the job (or at the very least want to up that job)

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Seriosuly...? Didn't SE made the chest system perfect in the Darkhold where it is given 5 minute time to decide who get what. The new beastman stronghold get the same auto loot retard system as well.

Peng, since you just posted. Items looted go directly to peoples inventory? 100% confirmed? I need to decide to rage or not lol

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Peng, since you just posted. Items looted go directly to peoples inventory? 100% confirmed? I need to decide to rage or not lol

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Confirmed.

1 chest per person.

Cant trade the items you get.

Weapons you get are random, the class you kill it on doesn't affect what weapon drops so you can kill it on MRD and get the THM weapon drop.

Peng, have you tested how +STR impacts WS?

Trying to decide if i want to put +attack or +STR on these gloves . . .

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Confirmed.

1 chest per person.

Cant trade the items you get.

Weapons you get are random the class you kill it on doesn't affect what weapon drops so you can kill it on MRD and get the THM weapon drop.

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Alright, thanks. Not completely awful if it's like faction nms then luls.

So ffxi voidwatch system brought into ffxiv? yay....seriously, why do they think this is a good system to now implement it in both games?

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Peng, have you tested how +STR impacts WS?

Trying to decide if i want to put +attack or +STR on these gloves . . .

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I haven't no i haven't really had much luck with materia and haven't done a large amount of spirit bonding simply because of our Ifrit attempts so i will do extensive stat testing when i start getting some decent materia.

wtf edit......

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Confirmed.

1 chest per person.

Cant trade the items you get.

Weapons you get are random, the class you kill it on doesn't affect what weapon drops so you can kill it on MRD and get the THM weapon drop.

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Great another 100% BS idea from SE.... This needs to be changed immediately makes it almost pointless doing the stupid fight can't even get the gear to the people it belongs to.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Peng, since you just posted. Items looted go directly to peoples inventory? 100% confirmed? I need to decide to rage or not lol

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We also tried filling up our inventories 200/200 to see if maybe then it would go into our loot list. It did not only a message was given "You cannot obtain xxx item" just like leve rewards. We had to drop something then select the chest again.

LOL damnit, since we're so close, we started thinking about how to get people the gear they wanted...and this was an idea. Guess not though :(

Each person needs to have the Inferno lamp to be eligible for loot, so they can't have it in a pool. I wonder if you have the weapon already it gives you one from the remaining options or just gives you none at all.. Could be fun having to kill it to get the 1 or 2 weapons you don't have yet if its still random :O

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Originally Posted by Penguin

NQ shepard's pie for example gives me 69 attack and if your numbers were correct that would mean using shepard's pies would increase my doomspike damage by 138 points of damage, my highest doomspike without a pie is 820 damage and my highest with a pie is 832 damage.

If attack effected weaponskills in the way you say i should be seeing close to 1k with +1 shepard's pie and using my hart guisarme that has +28 attack in it and yet i haven't.

If someone can provide 100% proof of your claims i would be happy to accept them but from personal testing if it does give any extra damage to weaponskills at all the increase is extremely minimal.

Edit: It could also be that food buffs aren't providing the same buff to weaponskill damage that attack on armor/weapons do which is entirely possible, if that is the case than a 2/3 materia'd +2/3 hart guisarme will probably be higher damage than the ifrit lance.

I will try to test it when i start getting a decent amount of attack materia but sadly so far i have been super unlucky with materia and haven't had too much time to spirit bond between sleep and ifrit attempts.

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Ill try an unslotted guisarme for tonight, and alternate with my one with +Attack materia in it. I'll average out the damage per WS but it might still be off with how much buffing it changes its damage output. (if I get 4x BS/RS/F one attempt, and only 3 the next... will be skewed pretty hard)

Before slotting materia my best was only 769, after slotting my best was 874 though that high was rare there were plenty of 860s, and none ever landed between 800-830. Single buffing with just RS usually got it to upper 700s.

Shepards pie NQ rose my attack from 545 to 620 = 75
HQ rose it to 628 = 83
HQ2 rose it to 640 = 95

I'm not sure what the Atk cap on it is if you are only getting 69, it might have uncapped percentages?


Also 1 attack = 2 damage is an observation, but you must remember you can't just multiply your paper doll x 2. (in my case 620 * 2 = 1240). ifrit still has defense that is worked into the calculation!

Anyways I'll try some different things today and see if I can come up with anything more concrete.

First of all, huge grats to you guys! Great job!

Secondly... Voidwatch system? Loot automatically going into someone's inventory and unable to be traded? This is the worst idea I've ever heard. Period.