Can we please get rid of glamour grades?

something as simple as glamour in other games we have a extra gear window (wardrobe ,appareance, fashion gear ect ) , or hit a npc in the cities to change looks , or like DCUO a whole history of gear u adquire ready to be glamoured anytime! , but nah ... thats a final fantasy online , nothing is "easy" ... needs to be overcomplicated just because :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

something as simple as glamour in other games we have a extra gear window (wardrobe ,appareance, fashion gear ect ) , or hit a npc in the cities to change looks , or like DCUO a whole history of gear u adquire ready to be glamoured anytime! , but nah ... thats a final fantasy online , nothing is "easy" ... needs to be overcomplicated just because :rolleyes:

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the idea of the Glamour system in XIV was supposed to be to include crafters so I can see their idea here. I agree that it is overly complicated.
I think they should either get rid of the grades or get rid of the type. we don't need 5 different grades and we don't need 7 different types.
so getting rid of the grades or the type would symplify it quite a lot.
For those of you trying to argue against getting rid of the type there is no reason they couldnt make a recipe that all crafts could use.
Although I think it would be easier for them to get rid of the grades and make them 1 prism per craft since they are all the same recipe per type with only the prism grade changing.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

something as simple as glamour in other games we have a extra gear window [...] but nah ... thats a final fantasy online , nothing is "easy" ... needs to be overcomplicated just because :rolleyes:

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Well, it wasn't really that ^^; It was more that the system they use have limitations of how many windows/things are possible, plus the limitations of consoles (PS3 *cough*) displaying more than X number of things on the screen.
And sure, they could have thought ahead when building the UI system and not have set limitations, but it's not always easy to see how much space you need to give yourself. Just look at older hard drives -- no one today would install their OS on a 10gb hard drive, but once they were considered huuuuuuge. My first computer (well, my dad's) had 640k RAM. 32-bit Windows: Nah, people will never need more than 2-3gb RAM, it's a completely safe limitation to set.

I just wish we could have a Glamour Catalog. Something to at least save the look of the gear we spend so much time to collect. I can live with 35 different prisms but what really demotivates me is having to spend tomes/seals before I cap, then never getting to actually use that gear because by the time I start gearing my second job, a new patch with better gear that is just as easy to get is out. Which leaves me with the only option to trade it in for Grand Company seals ~_~

I would rather turn in my old gear to a Glamour Catalog NPC with no reward of Grand Company seals than what we have now.

Yes please. This does not benefit me either as a crafter or as a consumer. It is annoying on both fronts.

I wouldn't mind this.

I haven't noticed a price variance at all between grades or types.

Anything that frees up inventory space is good in my book.

(Speaking of: Gysahl Greens. Can we do away with those already?)

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I haven't noticed a price variance at all between grades or types.

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So you're saying that on Gilgamesh, Grade 1 prisms and Grade 4 prisms cost the same? O.o At least on Phoenix, Grade 1 prisms (depending on type, of course -- WVR and GSM are the most expensive) are at around 4-6k, and Grade 4 prisms are at 1k or less. (Fun fact: I bought stacks of 50+ Grade 4 WVR and GSM prisms for less than 200 gil each, shortly after HW was released. People got them as quest rewards and didn't think to save them for when they got gear of the applicable levels.)

And no, I'm not arguing for the keeping of graded prisms. I'd love for them to consolidate them into one type per craft.

Or do a repair/meld function, the one where higher grades work for gear intended for lower grades (like, repairing level 10 gear with a grade 6 dark matter, or melding a Savage Might I with a grade 4 carbonized matter). So we'd be able to use grade 5 prisms for ALL the gear (of correct type). It'd jack up the prices of grade 4-5 prisms, for sure, but it'd also most likely lower the prices of the lower grades -- people stockpiling prisms could do with one stack per craft, but those looking for a one-time prism to glamour on those baron earrings (random example) would be able to grab a grade 1 for less than it is now.
I also wouldn't mind too much if they combined this with an increase in amount of mats needed for the higher grades. It'd make sense (more cloth/metal/wood/whatever for more potent prisms), and it'd also in my eyes 'excuse' the high price at least partly.

But preferably they should just get rid of prism grades entirely >.<

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

The restrictions make for solid gil gains overtime without the huge investment in stuff like script grinds, pentamelds, researching perfect hq rotations etc. You just crank them out while you wait for queues an get a million every week or two. If you're into hardcore crafting that's cool, but just because you aren't making prisms doesn't mean others aren't.

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The suggestion isn't to get rid of prisms; it's to standardize them to a single grade. It's then easier for the crafters who can make and sell prisms knowing they're the right type for everyone rather than having to alternate a few of each of several types hoping at least some of them sell.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Because the demand will still be the same, while the supply increase (1 big supply instead of many smaller supplies) the price will drop drastic.

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The prices overall would neither increase nor decrease, because both total demand and total supply would stay the same. What the prices would do is standardize, ending up somewhere above the lower priced ones and below the higher priced ones. That just makes it easier for buyers and sellers alike.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

At the very least, they could have gone a similar way to what they did with Dark Matter and Carbonized matter. So that (with the current ilvls) grade one works for ilvl 1-40, grade two works for ilvl 80 or below, grade three works for ilvl 120 or below, and so on.

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This is effectively the same as getting rid of the grades, as grades 1-4 would have absolutely no use whatsoever. Nobody is going to use the exact same materials and the exact same difficulty of a recipe to deliberately make items that are less useful than their equally available alternative. With Carbonized Matter, you need a higher level to gather the higher grades, and Dark Matter costs more for the higher grades, so there's at least some purpose for getting the simpler/cheaper variants when they're as much as you need.

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Originally Posted by TheUltimate3

By dividing them up via jobs, they ensure that each crafter is needed for a specific item which in turn increases the prisms value.

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Well, the division by class would help all classes get their share if all prism types were equally desired. As is, it mainly helps Weavers and Armorers, perhaps Leatherworkers as well. The other DoH classes would probably be better off with a single type of prism for all of them.

I'm ok with the class distinctions, though. At least there's some differentiation there. It's the 5 different grades of each type that serves no purpose except to clutter people's inventory and make it more confusing (or at least annoying) to craft them efficiently.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

the idea of the Glamour system in XIV was supposed to be to include crafters so I can see their idea here.

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If they hadn't introduced these prisms in the first place, crafters would have been happy with the glamour system just for providing a market for glamour clothing. (Of course, now that they've been given both a glamour clothing market and a prism market, taking the second one away would generate a lot of hate.)

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

So you're saying that on Gilgamesh, Grade 1 prisms and Grade 4 prisms cost the same? O.o At least on Phoenix, Grade 1 prisms (depending on type, of course -- WVR and GSM are the most expensive) are at around 4-6k, and Grade 4 prisms are at 1k or less.

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There can be variations, particularly if you look at a single point in time, but any crafter who can make one grade could make any other grade just as easily. Overall, whatever is selling for the best prices today will get the most people crafting it and a surge of supply tomorrow to drive the prices down, whereas hardly anyone will craft (to sell) the ones that are at their lowest price, so you'll soon get a drop in supply driving their prices up. Whatever appears to be a price difference is just a matter of where that particular grade is in that fluctuation pattern. Supply just lags a little behind demand in a system where people demanding it need a particular type and anyone supplying it could supply any type with equal ease.

I completely agree, the different grades are nothing but an annoyance. As a crafter I really don't make any gil off them since every crafter and their mother can make them and its just annoying to carry around 10 prism types when you could just carry 3. I have resorted to making them on a needed only basis instead of grinding 10 out and letting it sit on a retainer.

If you have a decent fc, like ours, ppl don't buy them either, we have enough crafters that we just say "Hey I put mats in the chest, can someone make me a blah blah blah prism" and its done.

There are plenty of ways to make money crafting, but its like when arrows stopped being an item and started just being obtained from our magically bottomless quivers, crafters went nuts saying SE is destroying their only source of gil, but it hasn't been an issue at all, crafters adapted and they still make money. In this case you can still make prisms but you only need to make 1 type instead of 5 so I don't see why it would be something to panic so hard over.

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Originally Posted by Titor

Yes please. This does not benefit me either as a crafter or as a consumer. It is annoying on both fronts.

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Maybe if you don't like making gil.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Maybe if you don't like making gil.

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The only difference is that it would be easier to make gil because you'd have less stuff sitting on the MB unsold because it's the wrong grade.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

This is effectively the same as getting rid of the grades, as grades 1-4 would have absolutely no use whatsoever. Nobody is going to use the exact same materials and the exact same difficulty of a recipe to deliberately make items that are less useful than their equally available alternative. With Carbonized Matter, you need a higher level to gather the higher grades, and Dark Matter costs more for the higher grades, so there's at least some purpose for getting the simpler/cheaper variants when they're as much as you need.

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Which is also why I said I wouldn't really mind if they made the lower grade prisms cheaper to craft (i.e. requiring less mats). But yeah, most likely you'd see less of the lower grades, maybe even none of them once people's stash of those ran out. But it's also a less intrusive way (IMO) of 'removing the grades', since it doesn't mean removing items from the game, only 'buffing' the items to enable people to ignore the grades if they want to.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

If you have a decent fc, like ours, ppl don't buy them either, we have enough crafters that we just say "Hey I put mats in the chest, can someone make me a blah blah blah prism" and its done.

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We pretty much do the same ^^; Of course, around 75% of our members have crafters at 50, so we just keep the FC chest stocked up with clear prisms of all grades, plus one stack of each extra material they use (velveteen, ingots, those things), so when you need a prism you just grab the mats from the chest and make it. And for those without lvl50 crafters, it's pretty easy to ask if someone can make one. 'course, we're a small and close-knit FC, and it usually evens out with who uses the mats and who refills them, but I can imagine that the larger the FC is, the more difficult it would be to make sure that you don't have someone who uses up a lot more prism mats than they refill ^^;

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

There can be variations, particularly if you look at a single point in time, but any crafter who can make one grade could make any other grade just as easily.

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Which is true, but certain prisms are in much higher demand, and once the prices go up due to lack of MB listings, not many crafters lower the prices once they realize that "hey, people actually do pay 8k or more for this prism! If I set mine at 7.5k, I'll sell a ton of them! So much better than 3k for this other grade!" *shrugs* It's most noticable around events, when new level 1 gear gets released. The price of grade 1 prisms of the appropriate craft type goes skyhigh within hours and usually stays high for the rest of the event and a short while after before slowly going back to "normal" price levels =/

Just because they can be made just as easily doesn't mean the demand for each is equal, and the higher demand on something, the higher you can price it when you put it up. And as long as they still sell, the prices aren't likely to go down either.

I think the entire system is over done and stupid. Changing appearance of your gear should be done from a menu like they do it DC Universe Online. Collect different styles of gear and apply them to what ever your actually wearing. Changing the color should be just as simple.
I guess that wouldn't work here since glamour gear is the only real objective of all the content. Having such an annoying system to change apperance is part of the gameplay.

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Originally Posted by AlternativeOne

I guess that wouldn't work here since glamour gear is the only real objective of all the content. Having such an annoying system to change apperance is part of the gameplay.

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If the gameplay revolves around an annoying system like that, then that's a sign that something needs to be fixed.