What does everyone think about those AST buffs?

On paper, Noct Stance still doesn't sound like its suddenly more/as appealing than/as Diurnal; but in PvP, with the boosted shield, AST will be even more annoying/have more survivability.

Quick noob question :

Does Nocturnal Aspected Benefic's shield can crit ? I mean, if you crit do you get a double potency shield like SCH's Adlo ?

Glad no one really plays pvp. I guess I'll embrace being the healing god of the healer jobs now.

Nope Yzuna that ability is limited to Sch only.

Astros in Savage? Man I hope so tired of getting sidelined

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Originally Posted by Yzuna

Quick noob question :

Does Nocturnal Aspected Benefic's shield can crit ? I mean, if you crit do you get a double potency shield like SCH's Adlo ?

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No it's still only 130% of how much you have healed the only difference is it is always 130% which mean non crits are always better then aldo non crits

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Originally Posted by Kaizersan

Oh yea because a 80 sec balance card with the ability to put up another 60 sec balance card up before the 80 sec runs out wouldn't make up the difference at all now would it?

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Are you sure you'll draw balance? (except for the first Spread-one)
I'm curious to see the numbers that will come out after people will do an accurate calculation.

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Originally Posted by Kaizersan

Oh yea because a 80 sec balance card with the ability to put up another 60 sec balance card up before the 80 sec runs out wouldn't make up the difference at all now would it?

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I'm sure I drew double RR balance in a fight before, but I wouldn't call it a common occurrence.

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Originally Posted by lordparanoia

Are you sure you'll draw balance? (except for the first Spread-one)
I'm curious to see the numbers that will come out after people will do an accurate calculation.

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I parsed whit a friend mine, 5 runs whit i'm using buffs and 5 whitout using, 8% of dps increase on DGs, before the buffs. Need to test on a 8 party members run.

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Originally Posted by lordparanoia

Are you sure you'll draw balance? (except for the first Spread-one)
I'm curious to see the numbers that will come out after people will do an accurate calculation.

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1st spread one would be 35 on everyone else with 50 on the strongest DPS still can make up the difference and with how long savages fights are odds are you will get another good balance card setup either another party balance or a single extended balance on the best dps.

Question (and forgive my ignorance) - does Time Dilation extend all positive effects, or just ones applied by the AST? I'm wondering if, by combining with a PLD, you could have some obscenely buffed defensives - 25s Sentinel/Hallowed for instance.

Just the ones you apply.

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Originally Posted by Kydi

Question (and forgive my ignorance) - does Time Dilation extend all positive effects, or just ones applied by the AST? I'm wondering if, by combining with a PLD, you could have some obscenely buffed defensives - 25s Sentinel/Hallowed for instance.

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Only works with AST buffs.

Scholar will still be required for progression due to their dps and mitigation tools like Deployment, but now i can at least see Astrologian being competitive on the healing side. I don't think this buff is enough to be on par for early raid progression, you still burn too mp while dpsing imho, but for everything else now you shouldn't see any difference.

So uh. Nocturnal Benefic shields more than non crit Adlo now (and that is like 95% of the time due to SCH gear basically not having crit anymore), while costing like 40% less mp? Ok.

The changes are nice and all but I don't get why some people will fear that AST will now be the go to choice for raiding and leave WHM/SCH in the dust. The thing that made AST not as desirable in group content is still present.
Still I'll definitely give it a testdrive in savage today.

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Originally Posted by Miiu

The changes are nice and all but I don't get why some people will fear that AST will now be the go to choice for raiding and leave WHM/SCH in the dust. The thing that made AST not as desirable in group content is still present.
Still I'll definetly give it a testdrive in savage today.

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AST wasn't desirable because of the low healing potency. That's not present anymore.

Hidden Buff - Collective Unconscious Regen effect ( wheel of fortune buff) stay even when you leave the bubble and is refreshed when you come back in

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

So uh. Nocturnal Benefic shields more than non crit Adlo now (and that is like 95% of the time due to SCH gear basically not having crit anymore), while costing like 40% less mp? Ok.

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Ugh i'll ty to ignore this post.
Seriously, go home troll.

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Originally Posted by kiraan

Hidden Buff - Collective Unconscious Regen effect ( wheel of fortune buff) stay even when you leave the bubble and is refreshed when you come back in

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Lol
(That's not real....right?.......RIGHT?)

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Originally Posted by OmegaFlare

AST wasn't desirable because of the low healing potency. That's not present anymore.

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And here I thought AST was not desireable because of missing oCG for emergencies and abilties to boost healing and mp conservation. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Muahbec

Lol
(That's not real....right?.......RIGHT?)

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It's real, it can even be extended with Time Dilation, so it's a free AoE regen with no MP cost.

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Originally Posted by Muahbec

Lol
(That's not real....right?.......RIGHT?)

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It's likely to be a bug that will be patched, but yes, the Regen effect is currently separate from the mitigation effect. That means that upon placement, you get the Regen effect for 18 seconds, and if you get the server tick at the end and move back in, another 18 seconds. You also retain the Regen effect leaving the bubble.

Essentially, it means if you let CU do its whole duration and everyone stays to get 36 secs of Regen, it has an effective Regen potency of 1800. AoE. And can be increased with Time Dilation and CO.

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Originally Posted by Muahbec

Ugh i'll ty to ignore this post.
Seriously, go home troll.

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How am I trolling? Isn't what I wrote true?

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Originally Posted by tjw

It's likely to be a bug that will be patched, but yes, the Regen effect is currently separate from the mitigation effect. That means that upon placement, you get the Regen effect for 18 seconds, and if you get the server tick at the end and move back in, another 18 seconds. You also retain the Regen effect leaving the bubble.

Essentially, it means if you let CU do its whole duration and everyone stays to get 36 secs of Regen, it has an effective Regen potency of 1800. AoE. And can be increased with Time Dilation and CO.

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The regen duration is 15 seconds rather than 18, but everything else is right on the money. Stack all your regens in Diurnal and your HoT ticks are almost as strong as your Benefic, it's pretty entertaining.

Benefic and Benefic II got a potency buff to match that of a whm but the mana cost remained the same as before the patch. Along with luminiferous Aether + Celestial Opposition and random ewer's i don't think astro will have much mp problems.

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Originally Posted by tjw

It's likely to be a bug that will be patched, but yes, the Regen effect is currently separate from the mitigation effect. That means that upon placement, you get the Regen effect for 18 seconds, and if you get the server tick at the end and move back in, another 18 seconds. You also retain the Regen effect leaving the bubble.

Essentially, it means if you let CU do its whole duration and everyone stays to get 36 secs of Regen, it has an effective Regen potency of 1800. AoE. And can be increased with Time Dilation and CO.

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But I think its intended. The bubble lasts 18 seconds and grants 10% damage reduction and a 15 seconds regen. If you leave the bubble the regen still ticks, if you enter the bubble again the regen resets again. I like it, now it's really useful.

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.

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Originally Posted by Soyre_Monre

Scholar will still be required for progression due to their dps and mitigation tools like Deployment, but now i can at least see Astrologian being competitive on the healing side. I don't think this buff is enough to be on par for early raid progression, you still burn too mp while dpsing imho, but for everything else now you shouldn't see any difference.

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Except Astro now provides better mitigation than scholar in almost every circumstance. Their adlo is stronger, their succor is stronger, their sacred soil is better, and their buffs probably outweigh selene now.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

How am I trolling? Isn't what I wrote true?

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It goes without saying that you will be mixing tome gear with raid gear for the optimal set up.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.

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Please do so then.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.




Except Astro now provides better mitigation than scholar in almost every circumstance. Their adlo is stronger, their succor is stronger, their sacred soil is better, and their buffs probably outweigh selene now.

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Care to explain in detail how all of what you're saying is true? Or is it all 90% and probablies? Seems people want one thing to always be better and never equal, after all.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.




Except Astro now provides better mitigation than scholar in almost every circumstance. Their adlo is stronger, their succor is stronger, their sacred soil is better, and their buffs probably outweigh selene now.

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Well astro doesn't have a Fairy. Doesn't have lustrates, indomitability or better MP regen.

I think it's a fair trade, slightly better potency for worse emergency tools.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.




Except Astro now provides better mitigation than scholar in almost every circumstance. Their adlo is stronger, their succor is stronger, their sacred soil is better, and their buffs probably outweigh selene now.

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Few things, Noc Ast and SCH will never be in the same part, Aldos still crits for 200%, our "sacred soil" requires us to not cast and not move, and as a buff class why shouldnt our buffs outweight your fairy?

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Originally Posted by ckc22

The fact that astro now has an instant cast version of adlo that is significantly better 90% of the time makes me want to quit.




Except Astro now provides better mitigation than scholar in almost every circumstance. Their adlo is stronger, their succor is stronger, their sacred soil is better, and their buffs probably outweigh selene now.

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With good rng they can outweight selene but absolutely not sch personal dps, and scholar has still more mitigation tools with a better mana management. Adlo cost more mp than aspected, but scholar can also count on a lot more mp. Also, they miss the fairy. Astro's probably better at single target healing thanks to sinastry and is a bit more free on aoe healing, but scholar is still king in mitigation, emergency heals and dps.

The changes are awesome! I logged on and ran my expert roulette. I love every single change they made. Finally, a reason to use Noc stance again. Collective Unconscious is now useful, as it gives you both the shield and regen while activated, and a 15 second regen after it dissipates. Disable fixed. Better potency heals. Longer durations for the three best cards. Extended card gives you a full minute of Balance or Arrow. And that Synastry! Sick, reduced cooldown and gives us the healing boost we were lacking.

Only two gripes were no notated change to Shuffle not giving you the same card twice (though, maybe they ninja changed it, and we just don't know yet - has to be tested?) and no added heal to Celestial. But, still very happy with all of the changes made.

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Originally Posted by tjw

Puts WHM out of business.

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But at the end of the day, I'm happy to see more ASTs around and I look forward to having their better-tuned healing in my parties.

Square took it in direction to buff us as healers rather than support role. I think its very positive, because we now have actually as strong heals or even 5% stronger. We have healing increase CD, just like other 2 healers, and just in general in bare numbers AST is probably as strong, and in heal per mp the strongest healer.

I particularly like nocturnal changes, its strange that now we actually have slightly better shields than SCH except adlo+deployment tactics, but i guess it was intended considering our worse mp management and lack of lustrates/fairy/indomitability kinda thing.
I believe all 3 healers are pretty much equal now.

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Originally Posted by EchuKayu

Care to explain in detail how all of what you're saying is true? Or is it all 90% and probablies? Seems people want one thing to always be better and never equal, after all.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Well astro doesn't have a Fairy. Doesn't have lustrates, indomitability or better MP regen.
I think it's a fair trade, slightly better potency for worse emergency tools.

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Originally Posted by DawnSolaria

Few things, Noc Ast and SCH will never be in the same part, Aldos still crits for 200%, our "sacred soil" requires us to not cast and not move, and as a buff class why shouldnt our buffs outweight your fairy?

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Originally Posted by Soyre_Monre

With good rng they can outweight selene but absolutely not sch personal dps, and scholar has still more mitigation tools with a better mana management. Adlo cost more mp than aspected, but scholar can also count on a lot more mp. Also, they miss the fairy. Astro's probably better at single target healing thanks to sinastry and is a bit more free on aoe healing, but scholar is still king in mitigation, emergency heals and dps.

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To all:

Aspect bene is 263 potency with a 130% guaranteed shield, meaning the only way a scholar can put up a stronger shield (the hallmark of their job) is to get a crit - and with current gear that gives a 10-15% chance.

The fairy is not a strong argument in scholars favor since SE has silent nerfed them. In addition in terms of emergencies your aspected bene is instant cast - this lets you throw an ehp potency of 605 on anyone at any time without even popping a CD (aka more than lustrate). Scholar may have slightly better emergency aoe healing with indomitability – but your aoe healing is better overall.

As for DawnSolarias argument thank you for falling right into my point. Your buffs should outweigh our fairies – but by the same token, as a shield class, why shouldn’t our shields outweigh your shields?

What are all these more/better scholar mitigation tools your talking about Soyre? I’m just not seeing them. Astrologian has better shields 85-90% of the time, a better version of sacred soil, an unshared mitigation tool (and better because potency >stats) in disable.

I'm perfectly happy that Astro got buffed - I think it was needed. But this kind of stuff is the reason three is a crowd.

OMG, seriously do NOT start complaining that your precious SCH needs a buff. SCH still has amazing tools at it's disposal and does NOT need buffs of any kind. You still have better MP management, the free fairy heals, way more emergency heals and the extra DPS the SCH itself can add.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

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E4E and Virus still very much beat Disable(10% for 6 second on single vs 10% for 20 seconds on multiple). Aspec Benefic is still on global so instant means very little. As for the current low crit, it might be a start of expansion deal. As gear progression SCH will get more crit thus making Aldos more powerful. CU is not a better version of Scared Soil. You can cast SS and continue to mitigate damage, while an AST has to maintain CU.