SE, stop releasing content that excludes most of your players

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

there should be, and SE should incentivize larger FCs. this is an MMORPG not a MORPG, people should want to get out of their little bubbles that have less than a dozen people in them, you can already do that in DF and 8 man statics.

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MMOs are about socializing, and working with people, not necessarily a large amount of people though. I recently found a nice 20 man FC and my tiny FC "merged" with them, but I see no reason to exclude 5-10 man FCs. I loved my FC to death, and that's because I knew everyone incredibly well, I'm still trying to fit into this newer one, and it's going to take some time and even then I'm not going to be as close as to them due to the size (using an LS for old FC members). I see no reason to exclude the types of players from high end rewards just because they didn't join a large FC. In a social game, people should be able to choose who they socialize with.

Hi there just chiming in. They are adding an airship yard so everyone can participate. And on top of that they are working g on a new housing area and an abandoned house eviction system.

It is ok to make content designed for guilds. And with their moving in the correct path of adding more housing/eviction I am ok with this. Guilds need things to work toward as a group since most content can be df'd solo. I honestly hope they add more to the fc workshop.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

there should be, and SE should incentivize larger FCs. this is an MMORPG not a MORPG, people should want to get out of their little bubbles that have less than a dozen people in them, you can already do that in DF and 8 man statics.

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Larger FC's already have enough incentive with them in the form of a larger pool of players and therefore larger access to resources. I don't want to be in a large FC. It makes me feel like a number. I feel lost in big groups of people. Larger FC's tend to be somewhat cliquish by nature, so it's basically the same thing on a different level - small groups of people within a larger group. Those of us that choose to play in smaller FC's to so for our own reasons. I know in my case, several people quit a former FC and founded this one to have the feeling of building our own. We have a Medium house and two airships, so I think we're doing fine with our 5-8 active players and am glad we have the choice to be in a small, tight-knit group. If I want to socialize more widely, I have linkshells and VoIP.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

I see no reason to exclude the types of players from high end rewards just because they didn't join a large FC. In a social game, people should be able to choose who they socialize with.

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you choose with Linkshells and your Friend's List. higher end rewards either take extreme coordination (Savage) or resources. and resources are always going to come easier with larger groups.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Those of us that choose to play in smaller FC's to so for our own reasons. I know in my case, several people quit a former FC and founded this one to have the feeling of building our own. We have a Medium house and two airships, so I think we're doing fine with our 5-8 active players and am glad we have the choice to be in a small, tight-knit group. If I want to socialize more widely, I have linkshells and VoIP.

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you're using the system backwards to how SE designed it. Linkshells are for small groups, FCs are for big groups, just look at the member limits of each and you will see.

I disagree completely with the idea that because you pay a sub you should have access to all content. Your sub fee gives access to the game. You earn access to the content by playing. Many content is gated behind certain walls and always has been. This isn't going to change and it shouldn't. The particular thing you are addressing here about airship exploration can be done without an FC so the point is completely moot.

Dear SE, please continue developing a variety of content instead of repetitive content dumbed down to appease everyone like op. I play mostly by myself and will likely never get into this. That doesn't mean it is bad content that shouldn't be allowed in he game.

So I spent three times what my plot was worth to wrestle it from another player, I've been setting alarms to get up at ridiculous hours the past two months to dispatch airships that I burned most of my personal fortune on for what will in all likelihood amount to the most wasteful glamours in the history of this game.

Sucks to be me. I should have sat around picking my nose and complaining about the way things were, apparently. Same reward with much less effort. Shit.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

I am damn sure more people have airships than have stepped into Savage Mode so this argument should just as much hit elite raiding too. As for how this effects 4 man Free companies. Well it looks like the system is probably going to be balanced on 8 man runs so you're already screwed by that. Does it annoy you 8 man content exists in game?

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I don't know about that. In my FC only 2 people have airship rights. Whereas half a dozen have been in Savage. It's a casual FC as well. I'm sure the ratios are even more skewed in larger FCs.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

My FC has made 4 airships with only 4 or 5 people working on it in a very casual maybe once a week fashion, and we didn't buy a single material from the market board.

How is this hard?

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By 4 you probably mean airship parts? xD Because no way you got 4 actual ships with ''once a week'' Certainly not without buying any materials like coke~

"Most of your players"?

Last time I've checked the majority of players were social enough to join a FC.
Don't blame SE for your inability to get involved with ingame communities.
It's an mmo after all. Massively Multiplayer.

I like the whole fc airship thing, I might not be able to take full advantage of it being as I only have my self and my friend in my FC but hey I'm okay with that, one day I might find a group of friends to do these FC related things with, so to the OP don't be cryin over this, just join a decent FC and you will be able to do this type of content.

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Originally Posted by Trixxy

"Most of your players"?

Last time I've checked the majority of players were social enough to join a FC.
Don't blame SE for your inability to get involved with ingame communities.
It's an mmo after all. Massively Multiplayer.

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Most of the players are in a FC yes, but few actually get to tinker with the workshop and airships.

Players, please stop opting out of half the content SE makes for you

The basis of the original post is sound, but given to current information, we now know it is totally bogus.

SE has confirmed that there will be a added feature at the Ishgard airship landing so solo players can battle and gather the Sea of Clouds after it goes live.

Caught that on a MrHappy analysis for one of the recent live letters.

Not to split hairs here, but the notice clearly states that the Ishgard airship will be available for people not in a FC. No where does it state that it will be available to people who are in an FC, but don't have a house/workshop. So, which is it or is it both? Sometimes the translations can be a bit vague.

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Originally Posted by Kaaylryn

Not to split hairs here, but the notice clearly states that the Ishgard airship will be available for people not in a FC. No where does it state that it will be available to people who are in an FC, but don't have a house/workshop. So, which is it or is it both? Sometimes the translations can be a bit vague.

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it's nearly impossible for them to develop content that locks you out just by having an FC, it doesn't say that because it doesn't have to.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Most of the players are in a FC yes, but few actually get to tinker with the workshop and airships.

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Few people are interested in crafting in the first place.
http://i.imgur.com/KOtNEYK.png
Even if a person was interested in crafting, the airship interface and FC workshop project interface are not incredibly interactive. (It's on a similar level to retainer ventures.)
They aren't missing out on much; believe me.

FC crafting literally amounts to an activity akin to putting quarters in a coke machine with 3 other people watching you. The whole airship exploration thing will be available to everyone. I don't really see the issue.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

Players, please stop opting out of half the content SE makes for you

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all i see every time i open this thread is your sig

You're saying "most people" aren't in a Free Company? Oooooookay.....

This thread...

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_left6jQebn1qf8yek.gif

I hope SE drop this "light party" requirement, I foresee they will make a "24 men" version later if ppl don't object to this requirement. ^^;

Seriously the required players should be determined by total FC members.

For example, it can require 1/10 (just exmaple) members present in the workshop to proceed the "craft button".
so if your FC have 200 members, you at least have 20 FC members involved, it would be more appropriate than (1 FC member)+(3ppl from other FC).
or if your FC have only 3 members, you can do it by yourself, as yourself already represent more than 1/10 of the FC members!

And if you have 200 dead members have not logged on since 2013, it will be the time to clean up the list. ^^;

In addition, this solution works for Personal House working shop smoothly as well.

So much rock salt that I could use to craft table salt in this thread.

I guess I'm lucky on Excalibur? Me and a few (irl) friends started a FC a month ago. Found a dude selling his small house fully furnished, equipped with two airships and lots of perks, all on Party Finder. Work towards it. Set a goal. Make some friends. Have fun. It's not a job.

You have the option to join an FC that have a house, workshop, and airships? If you do not want to that is fine but do not cry about it. Every one in our FC have worked hard to accomplish our goals and we will enjoy the fruits of our labor.

Yes please, SE. Give every player everything! Abolish Alex Savage while you're at it. Let us grind dungeons ad infinitum so we can all buy gear to grind dungeons faster!

Long live Communism! Lenin would be proud, comrade.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

Um...

You can also access Airship Exploration Voyages from Ishgard Airhship yard if your FC doesn't have a house/You don't have an FC.

Way to jump the gun there.

Edit: Source for you

http://i.imgur.com/iDC9GCu.png

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I have one question regarding that screenshot... Did they say the via Ishgard option would be available for people without an FC and people with an FC but not a house? Because in the screenshot it kinda specifies "people who do not belong to a free company" -- does that mean you're screwed if you do belong to an FC that doesn't have a house? Or is it merely an incorrect description and it does include FC members as well?

(Personally, I'm lucky enough to belong to an FC that does have a house, but I'm also the kind of person who likes clarity instead of guesswork and assumptions ^^; That's why I'm asking.)