New Heavensward Short Stories!

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Originally Posted by Rocl

Is this before or after the lovemaking betwixt Francel and Haurchefant's ghost?

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I'm interested.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Real talk, though, lightning and ice make little sense together, being polar opposites and all. It's far more likely that if Ixion/Dark Ixion appears, it'll be as a lightning-attributed Eikon.

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The ice/lightning theory stems from the current trend in Heavensward Primals which seem to be combinations of past Primal elemental themes, in order.

Ravana, Lord of the Hive = Fire and Earth (Ifrit and Titan)
Bismarck, Lord of the Mist = Wind and Water (Garuda and Leviathan)

following this logic the next one would be Ice and Lightning (Shiva and Ramuh).

It would be interesting if we conjured Ixion or Francel did and Ixion helped us, still having Haurchefant within it somewhere. But that would go against what we know about Primals (that they are mockeries of whatever they were originally supposed to represent). Of course if Haurchefant's spirit really is always with us, as the Count said, and we looked back on him with fondness bordering on desire in some sort of aetheric hotzone (half the places in Azys Lla) or dragon-down crystal hotzone (Tharl Oom Khash) maybe he could come back that way and function differently. Or maybe having the soul of someone is the distinction between a Primal and an Eikon, I don't know. The only Eikons so far are Odin and the Warring Triad, right? Is Phoenix one also I haven't done that much of Coil yet (alas)

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Originally Posted by Francel

I'm interested.

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Francel confirmed for Tam-Tara EX final boss.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

The ice/lightning theory stems from the current trend in Heavensward Primals which seem to be combinations of past Primal elemental themes, in order.

Ravana, Lord of the Hive = Fire and Earth (Ifrit and Titan)
Bismarck, Lord of the Mist = Wind and Water (Garuda and Leviathan)

following this logic the next one would be Ice and Lightning (Shiva and Ramuh).

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This logic is flawed, though, unfortunately. Ice and lightning are polar opposites on the elemental cycle, whereas the other examples create/are created by/transistion into eachother. Ice and lightning plainly don't interact with eachother in any way.

EDIT: 'Cause relevant.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Well, the game specifically states that both Bismark and Ravana are of two elements. However, as it was pointed out earlier today, there is a connection to a third element.

The only clue I've picked up so far, seeing as Bismark precedes Ravana, is that they follow the elemental creation wheel;

Water + Wind = Bismark + Lightning, Fire + Earth = Ravana + Ice

https://ffxivinfo.files.wordpress.co...wheel-key1.png


Further significance of their bonus elements, though, remains illusive.

EDIT: Of course, the developers could have just picked two sets of elements at random, made the primals of them and then tacked the remaining elements on to use them all up, making way for the shift in focus toward Eikons.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3223579

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

This logic is flawed, though, unfortunately. Ice and lightning are polar opposites on the elemental cycle, whereas the other examples create/are created by/transistion into eachother. Ice and lightning plainly don't interact with eachother in any way.

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Then maybe Haurchixion can be Lightning and Pink....or......Whatever element Good King Moggle Mog is. Pretty sure it's Pink....

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Originally Posted by Francel

I'm interested.

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Francel x Ascian-possessed Haurchefant body tbh

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

This logic is flawed, though, unfortunately. Ice and lightning are polar opposites on the elemental cycle, whereas the other examples create/are created by/transistion into eachother. Ice and lightning plainly don't interact with eachother in any way.

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That just makes those two all the better to serve as a recipe for a truly unstable new primal, doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Then maybe Haurchixion can be Lightning and Pink....or......Whatever element Good King Moggle Mog is. Pretty sure it's Pink....

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Pretty sure the element he represents is Kupo.

Ixion can be a non-elemental primal, like Bahamut and Odin.

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

Ixion can be a non-elemental primal, like Bahamut and Odin.

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Ah, but are they truly unaspected...? Please look forward to it!

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

Ixion can be a non-elemental primal, like Bahamut and Odin.

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If we conjure him and he has Haurchefant in him instead of being Aetheric Blasphemy Made Horseform he could be unaspected and be an Eikon, if that's what an Eikon is.

Not that being unaspected makes one an Eikon, kupo.

Honestly even if Lightning and Ice don't traditionally mesh on the circle it would be thematically appropriate here. Frozen wilderness and all. Haurchefant has a lot to do with ice, not so much lightning. But Ixion has everything to do with lightning.

Would the fact that Haurchefant died to an aetheric blow factor into any of this? No? Mmkay.

Here's the big question:

Who is going to have the last story?

I'm honestly thinking it won't be Lucia or Hilda now, with the Rising also beginning next Thursday, and this being the final story in this set, it has to be someone really important. And its probably going to be another curveball (seriously, who thought it was going to be the twins last year?).

Unless its Aymeric (again), I'm out of ideas for the "good guys". What if we're getting a perspective from a Dravanian...or one of the Heavens Ward...

Last story could be Zephirin.

My guess is Hilda.

Wait....

.....Wait a thought occurs to me regarding this Francel thing...

Lord Francel is usually stationed at Skyfire Locks isn't he? That would put him right next to Haurchefant's trade route into Revenant's Toll. It would be insanely easy for him to enter Mor Dhona and Mor Dhona is easily the biggest aetheric hotzone in the game so far. Giant crystals into the sky...Aether creates a weather effect there too. Since it's where Midgardsormr fell the place is teeming with it. If the Ascians lured him there....or told him to go there....

Ohhhh noooo

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Here's the big question:

Who is going to have the last story?

I'm honestly thinking it won't be Lucia or Hilda now, with the Rising also beginning next Thursday, and this being the final story in this set, it has to be someone really important. And its probably going to be another curveball (seriously, who thought it was going to be the twins last year?).

Unless its Aymeric (again), I'm out of ideas for the "good guys". What if we're getting a perspective from a Dravanian...or one of the Heavens Ward...

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Combination of Sigurdu, Stephanivien and Jannequinard having a party?

No, serious answer: Tiamat.

To be honest I'd love to see a Lucia and Aymeric short story. I want to see the story of how Lucia came loyal to Ishgard in more detail.

They stories are from the Dragonsong War so its going to be either Ishgardians or Dravanians I suspect.

I doubt Francel is going to go bad. Further I suspect that while there are Aether all over Mor Dhona its not concentrated or pure enough to be good for summoning. The beasttribes used very purified crystals for summoning as we seen from the pre-quests for the Crystal Tower. If they were that easily available I doubt they would have sent us all over Eorzea to collect them. There is also the fact that Revenant's Toll does import crystals as shown by the heretic raids on supply trains to Revenant's Toll in 2.4.

If we're going for totally unexpected guesses, I'm going to go out on a wing and say I'd like an Igeyorhm. She basically exists only to be Lahabrea's henchwoman, so some background would be nice. She barely had any personality at all. Nabriales, who existed basically to further the particular white auracite plot, had more of a personality.


I'd also like a Tiamat.

My only question regarding this story (and others like it) is how is Francel 22 and Haurche 28 when that's how old they look? Elezen are supposed to age more slowly right? Hence why the kids are actually older teenagers? Am I thinking too much about that? Is this how you end up in another dimension?

Anyway, regarding the shorts I doubt it will be Igeyorhm or Tiamat. Of course I was wrong last time.

A Tiamat short would be amazing, though. Prior to the 3.0 MSQ I used to swing by Dragonhead constantly and hang out with Haurchefant. Now I swing by Azys Lla and hang out with Tiamat. She just seems so lonely. I'd really love to learn more about her story. I'm sure the MSQ will bring her up again somehow...or at least I hope it does.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

My only question regarding this story (and others like it) is how is Francel 22 and Haurche 28 when that's how old they look? Elezen are supposed to age more slowly right? Hence why the kids are actually older teenagers? Am I thinking too much about that? Is this how you end up in another dimension?

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I don't have any sources, but I'm sure they "age more slowly" in the same way that makes a some 50 year-old women still look 30. So while body maturation happens at roughly the same rate for all the spoken races (they are all still technically "human"), they can go for a lot longer than, say, Hyur before they start visibly showing their age. Alphinaud, though we've journeyed with him for close to two full years, is still only sixteen. I'd guess Thordan VII, who's so old his ears are starting to droop, is close to one hundred.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

A Tiamat short would be amazing, though. Prior to the 3.0 MSQ I used to swing by Dragonhead constantly and hang out with Haurchefant. Now I swing by Azys Lla and hang out with Tiamat. She just seems so lonely. I'd really love to learn more about her story. I'm sure the MSQ will bring her up again somehow...or at least I hope it does.

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If what Yoshi has said in past interviews can ever be taken at face value, the story of Bahamut's summoning will be told in a side story at some point during Heavensward, which I think implicitly means not as part of the main scenario. Plans can change, though. We will be seeing more of her either way for sure.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

I don't have any sources, but I'm sure they "age more slowly" in the same way that makes a some 50 year-old women still look 30. So while body maturation happens at roughly the same rate for all the spoken races (they are all still technically "human"), they can go for a lot longer than, say, Hyur before they start visibly showing their age. Alphinaud, though we've journeyed with him for close to two full years, is still only sixteen. I'd guess Thordan VII, who's so old his ears are starting to droop, is close to one hundred.

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But apparently there is a mostly young looking Elezen in the Astro quest who is called "old man" sometimes. Alphinaud maybe sixteen or seventeen but he looks twelve, as does his twin. The children in Gridania have been children since before the Calamity (which was actually used in some Q&A somewhere as an example of this aging thing) but like I said maybe I am overthinking this.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

If what Yoshi has said in past interviews can ever be taken at face value, the story of Bahamut's summoning will be told in a side story at some point during Heavensward, which I think implicitly means not as part of the main scenario. Plans can change, though. We will be seeing more of her either way for sure.

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Maybe it will tie into the Warring Triad or something somehow. I got the impression the Triad will be like this expansion's Bahamut-a profound threat that most of the world doesn't know about. Not being MSQ would be a pity but I'll take any Tiamat story over none. Whatever happened there looks like a story worth telling.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

But apparently there is a mostly young looking Elezen in the Astro quest who is called "old man" sometimes. Alphinaud maybe sixteen or seventeen but he looks twelve, as does his twin. The children in Gridania have been children since before the Calamity (which was actually used in some Q&A somewhere as an example of this aging thing) but like I said maybe I am overthinking this.

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You don't have to be a twelve-year-old to play one on TV. Some people just look younger than they actually are. Hell, W'fharl Tia (pictured at left ;)) can look anywhere from 15 to 25 depending on the mood he was in when last he called on Jandelaine.
(The slightly more mundane answer is, as always, "inconsistent lore" but-- hey, put those pitchforks away!)

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Maybe it will tie into the Warring Triad or something somehow. I got the impression the Triad will be like this expansion's Bahamut-a profound threat that most of the world doesn't know about. Not being MSQ would be a pity but I'll take any Tiamat story over none. Whatever happened there looks like a story worth telling.

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I would certainty like to believe that having an Emperor, an VIth Legion Legatus, and a Warring Triad walking into a bargetting together on an ancient floating continent amounts to too big a dangling thread from the MSQ to be wrapped up quietly in a corner. My track record on guesses like this is pretty dreadful, though.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

You don't have to be a twelve-year-old to play one on TV. Some people just look younger than they actually are. Hell, W'fharl Tia (pictured at left ;)) can look anywhere from 15 to 25 depending on the mood he was in when last he called on Jandelaine.
(The slightly more mundane answer is, as always, "inconsistent lore" but-- hey, put those pitchforks away!)

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Thordan VII is apparently the direct descendant of Thordan I which means 7 generations of kings have passed assuming each one names a Thordan. That's shockingly few. I'd compare to real life monarchs but the comparison falls apart when you realize lack of a Dragonsong War means constant political squabbles. Some reigns only last a couple years. Some only a few months. That's not the case with Ishgard which obsessively locks down its power to only a few families.

Inconsistent Lore is probably it. I'll just think of them as 22 and 28 in Elezen years so my brain doesn't collapse into a black hole.

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I would certainty like to believe that having an Emperor, an VIth Legion Legatus, and a Warring Triad walking into a bargetting together on an ancient floating continent amounts to too big a dangling thread from the MSQ to be wrapped up quietly in a corner. My track record on guesses like this is pretty dreadful, though.

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Oh the Garlemald presence will surely be a thing but that's a conversation for the Path to 4.0 thread.

I don't think we will get Tiamat story because they are called stories of the Dragonsong War and Tiamat wasn't involved at any stage in the Dragonsong war. She was already chained up on that Island before the Elezen even moved into the area around Ishgard to begin with.

That said I do hope she comes back into the story. I get this common theme among the Celestial Dragons of being so focused on the past the are trapped their by their memories at the cost of the present. Perhaps we will have some 'letting go of the past for the sake of the future' moment with them.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Thordan VII is apparently the direct descendant of Thordan I which means 7 generations of kings have passed assuming each one names a Thordan. That's shockingly few. I'd compare to real life monarchs but the comparison falls apart when you realize lack of a Dragonsong War means constant political squabbles. Some reigns only last a couple years. Some only a few months. That's not the case with Ishgard which obsessively locks down its power to only a few families.

Inconsistent Lore is probably it. I'll just think of them as 22 and 28 in Elezen years so my brain doesn't collapse into a black hole.

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I wouldn't take the 'VII' in the current Archbishop's name to mean that every archbishop of Ishgard is named 'Thordan', or even his predecessor was 'Thordan the VIth', just that he is the seventh to bare that name, much like real life monarchies (like the British royal family or the Catholic papacy). Besides, the Archbishop himself told Ayermic that 'countless men have worn these robes', and given the millennia that the Ishgardian church has existed, there is bound to have been Archbishops with names other than 'Thordan.'

Either way, despite the previous mention of the elezen apparently being longer lived than the other races, HW seemed to retcon this - Nidhogg sarcastically calls the elezen 'short lived' (athough that was almost definitely from the perspective of a near immortal dragon and thus any mortal life span was going to seem short to him), and Hraesvelgr reveals this to Estinien:

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Originally Posted by Heavensward main scenario quest 'Heart of Ice'

Hraesvelgr: "But struggle as thy might, thy youthful vigor will be spent ere thou reachest two score and ten."

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'Two score and ten' is therefore seventy, meaning if Estinien is around the chronological age of twenty to thirty, that would mean that the extreme limit of an elezen's lifespan would be about a hundred. And given the fact Hraesvelgr mentioned specifically 'youthful vigor', it can be assumed that most elezen don't even reach that age. So really, based on this, I'm liable to regard elezen as not actually having that much longer lifespans than the rest of the spoken races - certainly not longer than a hundred years at the most.

Nooo stop retconning things, game, my brain has enough trouble keeping track of things anyway...

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I don't think we will get Tiamat story because they are called stories of the Dragonsong War and Tiamat wasn't involved at any stage in the Dragonsong war. She was already chained up on that Island before the Elezen even moved into the area around Ishgard to begin with.

That said I do hope she comes back into the story. I get this common theme among the Celestial Dragons of being so focused on the past the are trapped their by their memories at the cost of the present. Perhaps we will have some 'letting go of the past for the sake of the future' moment with them.

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Doesn't mean she won't be talking to someone involved, like her brothers who were both in Azys lla. The Dragonsong War is not static--new people can enter the field at any time :)

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Either way, despite the previous mention of the elezen apparently being longer lived than the other races, HW seemed to retcon this <...> 'Two score and ten' is therefore seventy

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I agree with almost everything you said there, but I have a slightly different perspective on the Elezen aging thing.

For starters, a pedantic correction, "two score and ten" is fifty. But the Elezen age information, as far as I can tell, is meant to be understood as small group of potentials and averages rather than a flat fact. The way Koji Fox (Fernehalwes) explained it at Fan Festival, biologically, childhood can last longer for Elezen, and, as a whole, they can live roughly twenty years longer than the other races (120 instead of 100). Biologically. Even if something is biologically immortal, however, it still dies if you mortally wound it, so most Elezen don't live any longer than the other five races usually do by virtue of the bountiful options Eorzea offers for getting dead.

Compare it to the real-world. Modern medicine and standards of living have radically extended our lifespans, but has that extended "youthful vigor" all that much? The average age of retirement for an NFL player is still 35. Boxers at the same age are considered old unless they're late-peakers. WWE can keep 'em in the ring until maybe 50 if you only risk them going out for pay-per-view for that last home stretch. Hraesvelgr is just saying that a knight has maybe 30 years to invest in the fight, if that, but Nidhogg has nothing but time to torture them, and their children, and their childrens' children, for millennia. Some of those knights who retire might still live to be pretty old if they weren't beaten too badly in their glory days. Jannequinard's pampered arse might make it the full 120, at this rate. 125, maybe, just to spite his family.

At the very least, I wouldn't say it's strong enough of a claim to call retcon.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

'Two score and ten' is therefore seventy,

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Nope, a score is 20, so two score and ten is 50.

The way I had been logic-ing it out in my tiny brain before Elezen started to get hard ages attached to them was that Elezen aged at half the rate of Hyur and lived twice as long. That would cap them out at 150(ish) years if they managed to live a full, healthy life and not get axed. That seemed to make sense to me since it's a longer lifespan for sure but not so long that Elezen would have a warped perspective of time in relation to the other races. I certainly never got the sense that they were like elves in other pieces of fiction like Tolkien who just live into perpetuity.

Anyway. To tie this into the topic of the shorts we have now covered Aymeric/Estinien, Haurchefant and Ysayle. It does seem like the hero well is dry at this point unless the next story is Hilda the Mongrel (who seems like she will gain importance as this expansion goes along). Someone mentioned potential bad guys which I can see. Something dealing with Heaven's Ward would be neat. Either that or a story dealing with the other Fortemps, Our Humble Narrator the Count.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

For starters, a pedantic correction, "two score and ten" is fifty.

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

Nope, a score is 20, so two score and ten is 50.

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Duh, me talky out of backside! You're both right - for some reason I thought a score was thirty not twenty. :p Thank you both for clarifying that. :)

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I wouldn't take the 'VII' in the current Archbishop's name to mean that every archbishop of Ishgard is named 'Thordan', or even his predecessor was 'Thordan the VIth', just that he is the seventh to bare that name, much like real life monarchies (like the British royal family or the Catholic papacy). Besides, the Archbishop himself told Ayermic that 'countless men have worn these robes', and given the millennia that the Ishgardian church has existed, there is bound to have been Archbishops with names other than 'Thordan.'

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The first archbishop was Reymanaud.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

The first archbishop was Reymanaud.

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Hence Saint Reymanaud Cathedral. I pay attention to things in the game and am totally up on my lore, I promise.

I still thought Elezen aged way more slowly! Until now.

Video games, man. They mess with ya.

New story is up and we were all wrong! Its Nanamo and Raubahn.

I really, really hope we get to punch out Lolorito one day. Damn that little worm deserves it.

Okay, Nanamo needs to get her hands on Mhachi void magic. Pronto.

I'm disappointed that they seem to be building up Lolorito as a villain - much in the same way I'm disappointed that they seem to be doing the same with Garlemald. I really, really hope that when we reach Ala Mhigo we end up siding with the natives who don't want to be liberated by Ilberd's or Raubahn's ilk because they're quite content to live alongside their Garlean comrades. Ala Mhigo would, of course, be full of Garlean civilians. Perhaps some will die, then we have an excuse to kill Ilberd and some of the more corrupt Ala Mhigans who seem to want to just rush in and displace every Garlean they see?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm disappointed that they seem to be building up Lolorito as a villain - much in the same way I'm disappointed that they seem to be doing the same with Garlemald. I really, really hope that when we reach Ala Mhigo we end up siding with the natives who don't want to be liberated by Ilberd's or Raubahn's ilk because they're quite content to live alongside their Garlean comrades. Ala Mhigo would, of course, be full of Garlean civilians. Perhaps some will die, then we have an excuse to kill Ilberd and some of the more corrupt Ala Mhigans who seem to want to just rush in and displace every Garlean they see?

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I don't expect any liberation of Ala Mhigo to be simple and it would be a shame if they didn't go into the issues of those who had been settled there for a long time. The flipside is that it has only been 15 years since Garlemald invaded and conquered Ala Mhigo so it's perfectly fair for those who were forcibly conquered or evicted to want their homes back. Just cause Garlemald has moved in family doesn't make their conquest any better or more justified.

On the flipside, the Garleans and the Monetarists have both been presented as Villians since the very beginning of the game. In the PLD story quests and in the Ul'dah intro the Monetarists are painted in a negative light.

Lolorito has been an ass in every interaction the WoL has had with him.

Strictly speaking though the WoL holds a neutral stance and is more driven by a sense of justice and generally in fighting a way to a better future for everyone. HW presented that well. We oppose the horde due to their indiscriminate desire to destroy Ishgard and all who dwell within but we are perfectly willing and open to working with dragons who are open to peaceful or diplomatic interactions.

I don't see the WoL letting Garlemald be simply because their approach contradicts what the WoL stands for and because their hubris is as dangerous as it was with the Allag.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm disappointed that they seem to be building up Lolorito as a villain - much in the same way I'm disappointed that they seem to be doing the same with Garlemald. I really, really hope that when we reach Ala Mhigo we end up siding with the natives who don't want to be liberated by Ilberd's or Raubahn's ilk because they're quite content to live alongside their Garlean comrades. Ala Mhigo would, of course, be full of Garlean civilians. Perhaps some will die, then we have an excuse to kill Ilberd and some of the more corrupt Ala Mhigans who seem to want to just rush in and displace every Garlean they see?

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Lolorito is a scheming bastard of a politician that's untouchable due to the law. Him being an antagonist is welcome.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm disappointed that they seem to be building up Lolorito as a villain - much in the same way I'm disappointed that they seem to be doing the same with Garlemald. I really, really hope that when we reach Ala Mhigo we end up siding with the natives who don't want to be liberated <...>

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Even since 1.0, Lolorito's been ... inconsistent. It's been clear that he's behind a great deal of manipulation of politics, subjugation of his own populace, and outright murder of his competitors from the get-go. Nanamo calls him a villain, and he's certainly hateful, but at the end of the day, most of his actions served one of only two possible goals - [1] promoting the stability of the city-state or [2] expanding his own power to do so. He's not a very complicated guy. Ul'dah is the only place he can live like he does, so he has a vested interest in preserving a specific status quo. He's the Anti-Nanamo.

I suspect you're right about Garlemald, though. I'm sure plenty have grown to embrace a certain perspective on Imperial rule. You'd have to be at least 25 or 30 to remember the carnage of the sacking of the city, but that enormous gap in the local population whereby a lot of the military-aged of five years ago vanished is probably still fresh in a few minds. Liberation could be an invitation to civil war... but Garlemald can't be allowed to maintain a foothold in Eorzea. We'll need some sort of catalyzing event to unite them against the Empire. Imho, those two things in combination make for a good place to start for the political angle of 4.0, lol.

That said, I didn't expect the final story to be Nanamo. But it was a good choice.

There has been so much speculation and attempted unraveling of the motivations, and this clears up all of them. We can see how it all unfolded, from Cartenau being what tipped Teledji past the brink to why Ilberd was so unreliable, and what Lolorito was thinking at each stage of the clean-up. We also, if you notice, know that Nanamo has her own memories and is acting as herself, dispelling any doubts that she indeed is Nanamo Ul Namo, meaning that the only conspiracy theory left is that Heartstrike is involved. Imho, it looks like SE's sanding off a few of the rough edges on the fact that the intersection of marketing and storytelling destabilized the invocation of certain tropes in a satisfying way. Owning it and moving on, I guess, lol. At least I'm still pretty confident that Nanamo's worth more to the later story alive than dead, though I won't recant that, imho, we lost some of that profit paying off a bad check.

Yeah, I'll reserve my full judgement for when we see more in the future. The Dragonsong War gives me hope that things won't be morally black or morally white when we address Lolorito and Garlemald directly. It does seem like 4.0 is going to be bringing us to Ala Mhigo. Hopefully we'll see more of Limsa and Gridania, though, since a lot of the political stuff seems limited to Ul'dah at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Hopefully we'll see more of Limsa and Gridania, though, since a lot of the political stuff seems limited to Ul'dah at the moment.

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I feel like Gridania, being right next to Gyr Abania, could get some political focus during a hypothetical reclamation of Ala Mhigo. And, if we're ever to get to Thavnair, the Far East, or the New World, we'll probably need Limsa Lominsa to get involved. We won't be at a total loss of excuses to bring familiar environments back into focus, at least. We also never quite helped them deal with their beastmen problems. Xelphatol, O'Ghomoro, the Indigo Deep, and Paglth'an all remain unexplored, and beastmen civilization is going to be completely uprooted when we repel the Ascians and attempt to help the tribes purge the tempered and retake the reins of their own culture.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I feel like Gridania, being right next to Gyr Abania, could get some political focus during a hypothetical reclamation of Ala Mhigo. And, if we're ever to get to Thavnair, the Far East, or the New World, we'll probably need Limsa Lominsa to get involved. We won't be at a total loss of excuses to bring familiar environments back into focus, at least. We also never quite helped them deal with their beastmen problems. Xelphatol, O'Ghomoro, the Indigo Deep, and Paglth'an all remain unexplored, and beastmen civilization is going to be completely uprooted when we repel the Ascians and attempt to help the tribes purge the tempered and retake the reins of their own culture.

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Strickly speaking not all the beastmen tribes sound like they are heavily tempered. After all it would seem somewhat pointless for a Primal to temper willing worshipers, particularly if it requires Aether to do so which I suspect it does.

The Sahagin in particular don't seem to have suffered any particular impact on their culture from Leviathan. I sounds mostly operational. Its just the necessity for survival has placed them in direct conflict with Limsa. I'd say the Ixal and the Amal'jaa are the ones most deeply effected by their primals. In the Amal'jaa's case we know that borrowed power from Ifrit has undermined the culture of honor that existed originally with the Amal'jaa.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Lolorito built up a bit. The reset button being hit on Ul'dah made me salty. It still has me a bit salty. But right now that whole arc is one giant plot cul-de-sac. If the nonsense from the end of ARR can actually turn into something then I approve... Well, something other than the breakdown of the sultanate which seems like it was in the cards anyway.