One Year Later - Opinion Poll

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

So the people who didn't like it.....left. Imagine that. Maybe you should consider that option because, with all the trolling you do of both the people who enjoy it and the dev team, you clearly don't belong here. As long as you enjoy trolling, and I don't mean trolling trolls like people do to you and others like you, there will be people with a sense of justice to continue to report you and get you banned from the forums til they outright ban your SE account.

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i don't know why people keep attacking this person...Its unfortunate what SE did to these forums with that 30 day rule. any opposing opinions are now just grouped up on and trolled...You guys seem blind to how wrong it is that SE did this. you have 500k+ people that cant post in the forums for the game they paid for, investing just as much as everyone else, since no one is paying a sub...people who follow but don't play cant express their opinions and the few who can just get trolled to death by trolls disguised as white knights...I will never understand this community. I really don't see whats so wrong with user201109011316's opinions.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

i don't know why people keep attacking this person...Its unfortunate what SE did to these forums with that 30 day rule. any opposing opinions are now just grouped up on and trolled...You guys seem blind to how wrong it is that SE did this. you have 500k+ people that cant post in the forums for the game they paid for, investing just as much as everyone else, since no one is paying a sub...people who follow but don't play cant express their opinions and the few who can just get trolled to death by trolls disguised as white knights...I will never understand this community. I really don't see whats so wrong with user201109011316's opinions.

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If those people truly wanted to make a valid complaint/comment they need to try the new content. The game is free, nothing is stopping them from trying. Why should someone who has not even tried the content be able to say it is bad. Making comments without trying the new content is like that last MMORPG review where the reviewer bashed the game without honestly trying past rank 2 and not even knowing what the game is about. Not all wrong in that review but far from accurate. and the same will happen with the comments you get from those only watching but not playing (they will be heavily biased and inaccurate)

People making suggestions, complaints on something they experienced = worthwhile comments. People bashing things they have not tried or only listening to the community and going with the group mentality = 100% worthless opinions.

Those 500k people who cannot post who are not logging on to the game check out the changes ... well honestly no longer care to begin with. (atm been within 30days between all the patches/mini-patches)

I believe those that no longer play, and haven't for quite some time, are unqualified to offer their opinions on the present state of the game. Additionally, if you haven't played for a long time, you're usually not helping with your suggestions. That's not intended as an insult, merely a reflection on the fact that if you're only familiar with an old version of the game, you don't have the same frame of reference as someone who is more familiar with the current product. I would not go as far to say you have no right to voice your opinions or that you're not entitled to have one, but a lot of the people on these forums simply are basing their opinions through the lens of an old version of the game.

The same is true for this survey, if not more so: It's intended to gauge the viewpoint of the present state of the game. If you don't know about the present state of the game, you're not the demographic the survey is looking for. This is not a bias (which is not to say the survey isn't biased, because all surveys are biased to some degree) it is a matter of a selection process. The difference between a selection process and a bias is a subtle one. Usually biases are unintentional unless you're attempting to deliberately mislead. A selection process is a way of narrowing down your survey to be more accurate in regards to what you're trying to measure.

From when I took the survey, Zetsumei's survey measured that, on average, those that still play view the present state of the game as average, and inadequate for the PS3 release. Don't confuse it as being an estimation of the general regard of the game.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

This is as false a statement u can make...What about the 100s of thousands of people that ledt this game? and because they left they cant post in the forums? Do these people opinions not matter? The very large majority of people who own a copy of FFXIV do not play it. and this is FACT. So yes polling a small sample of people who all obviously have the same mind set besides a very few is a moot poll. There are so many people that own this game that cant poll so you are only getting the biased opinions.

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Thats the thing though They should not ever be polled till they actually play FFXIV in it's current state. Because all they will do is answer it as the previous state at which point they quit. So if they want to answer the survey they should play XIV now or post 1.19 for a whole week then I believe they have a right to take that survey. Because they will be just as biased as those that still play.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

Thats the thing though They should not ever be polled till they actually play FFXIV in it's current state. Because all they will do is answer it as the previous state at which point they quit. So if they want to answer the survey they should play XIV now or post 1.19 for a whole week then I believe they have a right to take that survey. Because they will be just as biased as those that still play.

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Exactly, it's a statistical minefield.

You have to employ a lot of techniques to get valid data. And unfortunately, the poll in the OP was conducted on a poor choice of sample population.

To answer why we don't like User/gifthorse.... is because he has never given any constructive criticism or idea's to the Dev team all he want's to do is harass Yoshi, because it is not Tanaka. Also the fact that he likes a game that is empty where all you do is grind out on common useless mobs and have no content. He believes Beta edition of FFXIV was the best edition. Should go read the "Do you remember" thread and find out the game Gifthorse LOVES!!!! and see if you would want to play that game.

Edit: Also stating that because that is what the general consensus is. I could care less that is why I haven't ever blocked anyone on this Forum, because you are allowed your opinion. I just think some people don't think before they post, and I am not saying I am immune to this, lol.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

To answer why we don't like User/gifthorse.... is because he has never given any constructive criticism or idea's to the Dev team all he want's to do is harass Yoshi, because it is not Tanaka. Also the fact that he likes a game that is empty where all you do is grind out on common useless mobs and have no content. He believes Beta edition of FFXIV was the best edition. Should go read the "Do you remember" thread and find out the game Gifthorse LOVES!!!! and see if you would want to play that game.

Edit: Also stating that because that is what the general consensus is. I could care less that is why I haven't ever blocked anyone on this Forum, because you are allowed your opinion. I just think some people don't think before they post, and I am not saying I am immune to this, lol.

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I think you have misundertstood this User/Gifthorse person if you earnestly believes he thinks that.

lol well some of your post's point to that, but meh I hate drama crap so I was just answering the guys question why everyone jumps all over you. You have to admit some people do think that way of you. I don't agree with some of your posts and others are okay, but I don't think anyone should be banned unless they are rude to others ALL the time.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I think you have misundertstood this User/Gifthorse person if you earnestly believes he thinks that.

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That's why your user name was changed to User201109011315 and you keep having threads/posts deleted for trolling the dev team and Yoshi in particular right? That's why your probably very close to having this forum account banned too, right? Couldn't possibly be because what he posted is true. No, not at all...

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I think you have misundertstood this User/Gifthorse person if you earnestly believes he thinks that.

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From your most recent posts, it looks to me like you are having a hard time even convincing yourself that the game is not improving, and you wish it would go back to the way it was so you'll have something to criticize again.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Exactly, it's a statistical minefield.

You have to employ a lot of techniques to get valid data. And unfortunately, the poll in the OP was conducted on a poor choice of sample population.

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Ok statistics major talking here lets get down to brass tacks. The poll is a questionnaire to ffxiv gamers, that is obvious as it is posted on the forums where only active account holders can know about it. This post is not misrepresenting popular opinions of the players. The players are the ones voting. People who quit the game have no bearing on the questions. This poll isn't attempting to ask questions to the majority of the world. You wouldn't poll people in war torn Uganda on their opinions over the Greek nations riots.

Keyword here is relevance and non-players are irrelevant.

Considering this server only has 619 copleted serveys compulated (which can be redone, so it could have repeat offenders) is a very small demographic of players.......So its hard to make any truth out of it.

The only way there will ever be any accurate information polled for SE is if they require you to complete the poll as part of the log in screen forcing full participation. A majority of the players never visit this or any other game forums. Not to mention, most here only interact with there little corner of the world and have no idea of what those speaking other languages think.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

(which can be redone, so it could have repeat offenders)

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Each survey is allowed to be taken only once. You can however, return to the survey and change your answers. I set it up this way on purpose so people can change their minds if they choose. Hitting the submit button more than once does not add additional responses. :)

Although you are correct, 600 responses is not nearly the entire playerbase. The survey has only been up for 1 day though. I'm sure more people will respond over time. The poll will stay open until I decide to close it, or until this thread gets locked.

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Originally Posted by Ichi

Ok statistics major talking here lets get down to brass tacks. The poll is a questionnaire to ffxiv gamers, that is obvious as it is posted on the forums where only active account holders can know about it. This post is not misrepresenting popular opinions of the players. The players are the ones voting. People who quit the game have no bearing on the questions. This poll isn't attempting to ask questions to the majority of the world. You wouldn't poll people in war torn Uganda on their opinions over the Greek nations riots.

Keyword here is relevance and non-players are irrelevant.

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Non players are irrelevant? So SE is making this MMO for like 10k people who play out of the untapped 100million people in the MMO market...?

i know that this is a one year to the date post, but i would have made it after 1.19 anyway.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Non players are irrelevant? So SE is making this MMO for like 10k people who play out of the untapped 100million people in the MMO market...?

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you took that out of context, non players are irrelevant because how can they comment on how the game changed if they dont play. stop starting drama.

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Originally Posted by Ichi

Ok statistics major talking here lets get down to brass tacks. The poll is a questionnaire to ffxiv gamers, that is obvious as it is posted on the forums where only active account holders can know about it. This post is not misrepresenting popular opinions of the players. The players are the ones voting. People who quit the game have no bearing on the questions. This poll isn't attempting to ask questions to the majority of the world. You wouldn't poll people in war torn Uganda on their opinions over the Greek nations riots.

Keyword here is relevance and non-players are irrelevant.

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In all honesty its not hard for someone just following the game to look up some new gameplay vids or read up on patches to form opinions on what is new. The game has changed yes, but it isnt soooo different that you cant experience most of the changes within 5 minutes of logging on (except dungeons) but for those you can watch gameplay vids.

most people just arent happy enough to play this game and honestly its our opinions that dont matter much...who cares about the people who still play? at whatever rate they play. The future players and the past ones who left are whose opinions matter most cause im not convinced this population can keep the game alive once it goes p2p. but again i dont think this is the fault of the op at all. Its SE fault for promoting a biased censored forum for their game. My whle point is that everyone paid the box price for the game. why do some have more rights then others?

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

you took that out of context, non players are irrelevant because how can they comment on how the game changed if they dont play. stop starting drama.

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but you see they can though. You are fooling yourself if you feel the changes have been that profound that you cant passively follow them. The only thing you would truely need to have hands on with to truely feel the changes would be the UI. and even that u can get a rough enough idea to have an opinion through patch notes and player videos.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

you took that out of context, non players are irrelevant because how can they comment on how the game changed if they dont play. stop starting drama.

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Im not asking non-players to comment on a game they don't play.

I'm merely explaining why the poll results will obviously produce the results which they have evidently already produced.

I was just explaining the law of causality to you, basically.

No need to get all crazy.

Yikes.

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Originally Posted by Ichi

The poll is a questionnaire to ffxiv gamers, that is obvious as it is posted on the forums where only active account holders can know about it.

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Not true.. Only active players can post. Anybody can read. which means anybody can see the link and go to it.

I have attempted to post this survey in the japanese forums using google translator. I don't know how effective that thing is, but hopefully they will understand it.

Although the survey is also in english, I hope they can translate it with their web browser. At least this way I have given them a chance to participate. Also I know there are a lot of japanese players who can understand english fairly well anyway! :)

Nice, up to 642 voters, needs moar!

i did the survey, however, i will say that several of my answers would prob be different if you asked in a month. i guess you could do the survey again n a month and compare the 2.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

you took that out of context, non players are irrelevant because how can they comment on how the game changed if they dont play. stop starting drama.

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Wow you are so wrong is not even funny, actually the current player base is IRRELEVANT! The current number of players that are willing to play this game in it's current state numbers well below the 50 thousand mark(Horrible numbers for a MMO let alone a AAA MMO) and the game is FREE! SE needs to start listening to the people that left and not the one's that remained, for the ones that remained where the ones who said the game was good at release, remember those times ? When if you complained, you where a whiner and everything was answered with "GTFO GO PLAY WOW THIS GAME IS A MASTERPIECE Etc etc."

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

Wow you are so wrong is not even funny, actually the current player base is IRRELEVANT! The current number of players that are willing to play this game in it's current state numbers well below the 50 thousand mark(Horrible numbers for a MMO let alone a AAA MMO) and the game is FREE! SE needs to start listening to the people that left and not the one's that remained, for the ones that remained where the ones who said the game was good at release, remember those times ? When if you complained, you where a whiner and everything was answered with "GTFO GO PLAY WOW THIS GAME IS A MASTERPIECE Etc etc."

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Not true. Some of the people on this forum who are the most critical of the game still play it on a daily basis.

Case in point: Azurymber

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

Wow you are so wrong is not even funny, actually the current player base is IRRELEVANT! The current number of players that are willing to play this game in it's current state numbers well below the 50 thousand mark(Horrible numbers for a MMO let alone a AAA MMO) and the game is FREE! SE needs to start listening to the people that left and not the one's that remained, for the ones that remained where the ones who said the game was good at release, remember those times ? When if you complained, you where a whiner and everything was answered with "GTFO GO PLAY WOW THIS GAME IS A MASTERPIECE Etc etc."

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once again someone who cant understand writing in its correct context. This survey is for people who have been playing the game for the past year which means that every else is irrelevant in conjunction with the survey.

i did not say that everyone is irrelevant when considering the games development. learn to read before you rage.

also, why post on your troll account, are you ashamed of you own words?

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Not true. Some of the people on this forum who are the most critical of the game still play it on a daily basis.

Case in point: Azurymber

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you live in outher plannet, player base in ffxiv is little maybe 20k
the game fail in the launch, solution put elements that people want, (not considered ffxi)

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Originally Posted by odette

you live in outher plannet, player base in ffxiv is little maybe 20k
the game fail in the launch, solution put elements that people want, (not considered ffxi)

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Um...what?

hmm results are pretty spot on to how i feel, and wow you had a pretty high turnout for participants.

Great idea OP gives something for yoshi to look at.. kinda like a report card . The only critic is to add more hard hitting questions but it was very cool. When was the last time we did a players poll?

I don't understand how people can claim that this survey should be done by people who have not been playing the game.

All of the questions are about things you experience while playing the game...

Wanting non-players to participate in a poll based entirely around their experiences of playing the game makes as much sense as asking people to critique a restaurant they've never eaten at.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Wanting non-players to participate in a poll based entirely around their experiences of playing the game makes as much sense as asking people to critique a restaurant they've never eaten at.

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That's true.

But asking people who like the game if they like the game... well it's just a bit pointless.

日本語フォーラムから来ました。
私はアンケートに答えました。
言語は違うけれど、FF14に対する思いは同じだと知りました。
おたがいに、良いフォーラムにしていきましょう。:)

（私は英語が得意ではないので、日本語ですみません）

Send more to this thread Alicia!

ありがとう

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

To answer why we don't like User/gifthorse.... is because he has never given any constructive criticism

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That's not true. He has contributed way more to this board than 96% of everyone else.

Lol people defending Gifthorse...priceless

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Lol people defending Gifthorse...priceless

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Yeah, but look who's doing the defending. That's like Sarah Palin defending Rick Perry.

Ohoho~ topical humor.

HAHA good one

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

That's why your user name was changed to User201109011315 and you keep having threads/posts deleted for trolling the dev team and Yoshi in particular right? That's why your probably very close to having this forum account banned too, right? Couldn't possibly be because what he posted is true. No, not at all...

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No the reason they erase the post is because anyone that doesnt have a positive opinion about this game and the route that its taking is just not accepted.

Thats where this game will fail the small group of you who do play will not keep this game alive, in the end the ones that dont have a favorable opinion about this game are the vast majority and the majority is what SE needs to make money.

So to bash and ridicule the opinions of thoes that played and left will not bring thoes players back and the lack of recommendation of this game by the majority wont bring in new players either.

Its ok though, in the end (which wont be far off if the majority of fans are blown off) the ones that bash will be pissed off when the company announces that they are dropping the servers and cutting losses soon after reinstating the player payments. =/

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Wow. Do some people even hear themselves speak? Lol.

I'm not trying to play the victim here, by the way (because I honestly don't value any of your opinion's enough to even start to get offended by them) but surely it's everyone else who has been attacking ME, rather than the other way around. I don't resort to ad hominem attacks to win arguments, nor appeal to my prestige to add weight to my points (unlike the alleged "statistics major" earlier).