It doesn't matter how good of a DRG you are.

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03-26-2015, 06:00 PM
Tyrn

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

other dragoons

It doesn't do anything for other dragoons other than annoy them when their debuff gets overwritten since every single one of them will be using it already for Chaos Thrust which is why you never see people stacking 2 dragoons like people stack 2 monks because there's no benefit in doing so.
03-26-2015, 06:12 PM
Mistoltin

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

People generally appreciate anyone who knows how to do their job and pull their weight in a party. As long as you can do that, you'll be fine.

/blahblah10chars
03-26-2015, 08:03 PM
Valensia

Heh, this thread reminds me of when I used to pick on my DRG friend for being an Olympic swimmer in Levi Ex.
03-26-2015, 08:04 PM
Kagalli

As a BRD, i welcome DRGs, only good ones though.
03-26-2015, 08:13 PM
Werhusky

I know more lolmnks, lolbrds and lolnins than actual loldrgs (excluding me im all 4 ^^ ) but seen a main drg yesterday in a T9 trainingsgroup that WALKED from DPS gatherpoint to Nael when heavensfall came down.... I was about to cry (JUMP BOY JUMP ;_; )

PS noone can tell me that Spineshatter Dive still on CD after Golems down, Megaflare went off with a laze time of 15s between and the DRG didnt even attempt to get to Nael before the first Heavensfall which is also only after 5s after Nael came down and that in all 6 attempts >.>
03-26-2015, 10:28 PM
BristolRuss

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Originally Posted by Werhusky

but seen a main drg yesterday in a T9 trainingsgroup that WALKED from DPS gatherpoint to Nael when heavensfall came down.... I was about to cry (JUMP BOY JUMP ;_; )

Heavy Thrust had most likely worn off by that point. They probably wanted to reapply it before performing any jumps as it's a DPS loss otherwise. I don't know how far away the main group stacks from the tank in your team, but it mine it's not far at all. It takes less than a second to run to Nael from the stack point. It makes much more sense to run to Nael, apply HT, and then go through your rotation and jumps rather than use an unbuffed Spineshatter Dive to save less than a second of walking.
03-26-2015, 11:30 PM
Docent

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

Heavy Thrust had most likely worn off by that point. They probably wanted to reapply it before performing any jumps as it's a DPS loss otherwise. I don't know how far away the main group stacks from the tank in your team, but it mine it's not far at all. It takes less than a second to run to Nael from the stack point. It makes much more sense to run to Nael, apply HT, and then go through your rotation and jumps rather than use an unbuffed Spineshatter Dive to save less than a second of walking.

As a main MNK who dabbles in DRG, I think this illustrates one of the biggest difference between monk and dragoon as far as gap closers go.
As MNK, I shoulder tackle whenever I can. The cooldown is short, and I can't actually wait for GL3 and all my buffs to be up to use it for "max damage" because of the minimum range to use it. Heck, I LOVE it when bosses have knockbacks (unless you need to save the stuns) because of how fast I can zip right back to it as if nothing happened.
As DRG, Spineshatter Dive is a bit more versatile and I find that it is often on cooldown when I'd like it to be up, probably because it fits in the normal damage routine. Same goes for Dragonfire Dive, really.

Hats off to all the good DRGs. You guys actually have to think a lot more about your things than I do as Monk (All I need to really pay attention to is how I can avoid sacrificing myself to the Greased Lightning Gods) :P
03-27-2015, 12:25 PM
Kotemon

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Originally Posted by Valensia

Heh, this thread reminds me of when I used to pick on my DRG friend for being an Olympic swimmer in Levi Ex.

Well now that you've mentioned it. 16-bit theatre presents...
03-27-2015, 01:03 PM
Eidolon

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

Well now that you've mentioned it. 16-bit theatre presents...

I downvoted that video because it was basically a Summoner stroking themselves off to the idea of being a summoner, lol.
03-27-2015, 05:43 PM
Werhusky

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

Heavy Thrust had most likely worn off by that point. They probably wanted to reapply it before performing any jumps as it's a DPS loss otherwise. I don't know how far away the main group stacks from the tank in your team, but it mine it's not far at all. It takes less than a second to run to Nael from the stack point. It makes much more sense to run to Nael, apply HT, and then go through your rotation and jumps rather than use an unbuffed Spineshatter Dive to save less than a second of walking.

Not my group but was joining a trainingsgroup because bored and a friend was helping em as well. First Aoe is N/S we had DPS W and tank E irritatingly but really a loss of doing nothing in 25 s is more than the loss of Heavy Thrust imho.

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Originally Posted by Docent

Spineshatter Dive is a bit more versatile and I find that it is often on cooldown when I'd like it to be upP

So true too long CD for it and the other Jump *forgot name* doesnt bring you to the boss :(
03-27-2015, 06:11 PM
Adire

Can't speak for everyone, but if some of them are like me, the whole Dragoon tanking the floor thing is just poking fun. I like to joke with Dragoons. Try to not take it too seriously.

I play it occasionally myself, so I have the right!
03-27-2015, 07:53 PM
seekified

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Originally Posted by Docent

Hats off to all the good DRGs. You guys actually have to think a lot more about your things than I do as Monk (All I need to really pay attention to is how I can avoid sacrificing myself to the Greased Lightning Gods) :P

I appreciate that. xD I don't mind people poking fun at us, but when there's talk of not taking a DRG to a fight simply because it's a DRG, I get annoyed. :)

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

Heavy Thrust had most likely worn off by that point. They probably wanted to reapply it before performing any jumps as it's a DPS loss otherwise.

Exactly this. I might SD unbuffed if I'm at max skill distance or if the situation dictates it, but otherwise I'd rather wait the 2.5-10s it takes to get my buffs up. In t9 p1-p2 I use Elusive Jump after Beam as a substitute to get back quickly without sacrificing a good skill.

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Originally Posted by Werhusky

So true too long CD for it and the other Jump *forgot name* doesnt bring you to the boss :(

Spineshatter Dive's cooldown is fine now I think, but Dragonfire Dive should be reduced to 120 or even 90 seconds. Its potency isn't amazing and the chances you get to actually make it a useful AoE skill are few. Having a shorter cooldown on it would make us more mobile, but remember to use Elusive Jump as a gap closer as well. :) On second adds phase in t10 for instance, I kill the first group, SD to the second, DFD to the third then Elusive Jump back to the boss if I'm far enough away and don't need to flank for a Heavy Thrust. Works great.
03-27-2015, 08:08 PM
OMEGA_HACK

The Recast on Dragonfire Dive is long (as are all the lv50 Job abilities), but as for it not being very potent...as an off global cooldown (and since they removed the animation-lock associated with it) its a nice additional 1200-1500 dmg attack (buffed) to string into the beafy part of a DRGs very long rotation.

Yes the timer is a longer one, but its far from being completely useless. Of course this is if you don't need to use it as a form of quickly moving across the battlefield.
03-27-2015, 08:18 PM
Werhusky

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Originally Posted by seekified

but remember to use Elusive Jump as a gap closer as well. :) On second adds phase in t10 for instance, I kill the first group, SD to the second, DFD to the third then Elusive Jump back to the boss if I'm far enough away and don't need to flank for a Heavy Thrust. Works great.

Will hand this on to our dragoon Im main sch and appreciate this hint ^^
03-27-2015, 09:18 PM
seekified

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

The Recast on Dragonfire Dive is long (as are all the lv50 Job abilities), but as for it not being very potent...as an off global cooldown (and since they removed the animation-lock associated with it) its a nice additional 1200-1500 dmg attack (buffed) to string into the beafy part of a DRGs very long rotation.

Yes the timer is a longer one, but its far from being completely useless. Of course this is if you don't need to use it as a form of quickly moving across the battlefield.

I definitely don't think it's useless either, but for most fights it's basically a Full Thrust with a three-minute cooldown. :P The movement it offers is nice for add phases but it's so rarely available the way it is now.

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Originally Posted by Werhusky

Will hand this on to our dragoon Im main sch and appreciate this hint ^^

Glad to help! :D
03-31-2015, 05:52 AM
Novaura

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

It doesn't matter how good of a dragoon you are - you'll always be considered a lesser DPS than any other job out there.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I have over 650 player commendations, all earned as a Dragoon that says otherwise. You may not realize it, but Dragoons are better than you give us credit for.
03-31-2015, 06:18 AM
myahele

Other than being easier to use and a piercing debuff, DRG just don't offer much raid utility

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