When are hunts going to be balanced with the rest of the game?

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Originally Posted by Illya

Remove Myth from hunts? Really? I don't fancy doing 270 Brayflox speedruns to upgrade Atma to Animus, that's why I ignored the whole Relic upgrade quest until after Hunts came out. If Hunts didn't give all the Myth they do, I would still be ignoring the Relic upgrade quest. For anyone who doesn't realize it, 1,500 Myth per book x 9 books = 13,500 Myth. You used to get 50 Myth from one Brayflox HM. There actually were people who grinded out 270 runs of Brayflox to get their Animus before 2.3, I salute those crazy people.

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Right now, would you ever consider queuing up for a dungeon knowing that you'll only get 50 myth?

If you had a chance to kill an Elite A Mark NM right when a duty finder popped, would you hit "ok" or "withdraw" ?

this is the problem with hunts, they reward too much compared to the rest of the game. Their rewards should be on a similar level of the rest of the content. It drives too many people into a single form of content and it has adverse effects on the community and the servers.

Balance the hunts with the rest of the game, or balance the rest of the game with the hunts.

too late for a fix i guess

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Originally Posted by Teirshin

Flooding the game with tomes at a pace far quicker than even speedrunning Brayflox handed them out was a stupid thing to do. You arent looking at how that affected the overall economy for things like Myth materials and such, along with speed buffing the playerbase with gear that they didnt even have to really earn. It was just handed to them for mindless running around with a pack of 100 people killing mobs designed for 10-20 people. Thats poor execution on SE's part, and the damage done is likely permanent.

And since we have no clue just exactly whats going to happen in 2.4..... all you're doing is guessing.

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Ok, first FFXIV economy is a facade. Game is a theme park.

Second, I WELCOME the myth flood. Farming the myth from books and alex was AWFUL. People were lamenting on this very forum how boring and grindy the progress was. Do people really like doing dungeons over and over for myth? Fine, you can still do it. No one is stopping you.

2.4 will give us a new tier of coil and new gears, it's the very nature of the game.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

The flood of oils/sands myth and soldiery shouldn't have happened until 2.4 not before.

What we get now is hunts which are have far greater rewards for time/effort, devaluing all other content in the game. It's simply unbalanced in the grand aspect of the game.

I myself join hunt parties, I've upgraded a few pieces of gear. I only queued for duty roulette twice since 2.3 hit. TWICE in a month. And that was with a premade party to do expert dungeons. I can cap soldiery within a few hours of weekly reset thanks to hunts. This would be all good and fine when 2.4 hits and introduces the next set of iLvl gear. But that's still at least 60+ days away.

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If you like dungeons so much, why don't do it, instead of doing hunts? They are fun to do over and over, right? No one is stopping you. You are the one who said myth shouldn't drop from hunts.

Don't try to bullshit me about queue because I know very well they hardly changed.

SE need to either fix the Hunt or beef up the rewards from doing dungeon grinds... The easiest way would be to triple the rewards from dungeons or add more variety of rewards. Adding 25-50 allied seals in various dungeons would be great, it provides alternative to farm seals. Capping the seals to 500 a week would also be great in reducing the need to farm endlessly. Beefing up bonus on beast men tribe quest to 5 seals, 20 myth, and 5 soldiery would not break this game... This would be easy band aid solutions - suddenly you have so many different ways of earning seals that the Hunt become less of an attractive options.

The other ways as others have already suggested would be to place a 3 minutes invincibility timer by the time mob is pulled and your damage is severely reduced for the first 5 minutes after mob is being attacked, as well as double the mob HP (again...). This will make each Hunt a 5 minutes battle instead of the 30 seconds kill after being pulled. And have multiple copy of the mobs at one given locations and put more "mechanic" that punish zerging methods. NM Hunts should not be a mere 30 seconds ordeal, it should be at least 5-10 minutes ordeal.

FFXI actually implemented a much much better idea with their wilds keeper reive open world system. It severely discourage abuse while at the same time still giving more time for everyone to gather and get rewarded. This is sad - I think FF14 did amazing, and this HUNT is really destroying everything else in the game and render them pointless.

Sands in Syrcus Tower for 2.3 or riot! Something something japanese emoticon meme.

We need i120 now. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

If you like dungeons so much, why don't do it, instead of doing hunts? They are fun to do over and over, right? No one is stopping you. You are the one who said myth shouldn't drop from hunts.

Don't try to bullshit me about queue because I know very well they hardly changed.

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I don't think you're picking up what I'm putting down.

What's the point of doing dungeons? Hunts are an all-inclusive content. Dungeons aren't

Why doesn't killing a dungeon boss which is arguably more difficult to kill, reward you similar to hunting 1 single A rank mark? Let alone completing a full dungeon doesn't reward nearly as much? From a game balance standpoint is just plain WRONG.

So therein lies the problem.

It's not that "I love doing dungeons" and I think everyone else should too.

It's not compelling to do dungeons for a few hours, when I can spend the same time with hunts and get more out it than I could the dungeons. Plus you get Allied Seals. Three birds with one stone. Hunts should have been an equal alternative to dungeons, not blow them out of the water.

I hope that SE's silence on this topic is due to the fact that they are planning to change the outgoing rewards to something less, but are waiting for 2.35 to drop the news, instead of compounding the problem by making everyone and their mother make a mad rush on hunts for the next two weeks.

Ok, first "dungeon" in this game aren't hard. At all. They are DF, instanced stuff, basically the bottom of the barrel. There is not even "competition" like with hunts were it may happen that you don't get the reward.

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It's not compelling to do dungeons for a few hours, when I can spend the same time with hunts and get more out it than I could the dungeons. Plus you get Allied Seals. Three birds with one stone. Hunts should have been an equal alternative to dungeons, not blow them out of the water.

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If you like dungeons, do dungeons. If you don't like dungeons, don't. I mean, you are the one who said myth shouldn't drop from hunts, right? So myth dropping from hunts shouldn't be a big deal for you. You clearly don't want them. You would prefer to go back to SR brayflox over and over.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

it IS to late, the damage is done, in fact if anything is done to reduce hunts now people will stop caring about it, because they are used to how they are now.

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Originally Posted by Erudain

It's to late to fix now, otherwise is like promoting a "exploit early exploit often" playstyle.
But it's not to late to fix other content, like increasing the daily hunt reward to at least 50 seals a day or removing the lockout in ST for gears/oils since it's lv100 un-upgradeable and if you are gonna give infinite sands/oils from hunts, then you can give infinite oils from ST.

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Originally Posted by AldoVonAlexandros

too late for a fix i guess

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Something considered broken should always be fixed, no matter how many people have abused it/got used to it.

IMHO.
Add Sands to ST (with small chance of appearing in 4th chest.)
Add small amounts of Allied Seals to Frontlines, Wolves Den & Roulettes.
Decrease seals from random hunts.
Increase seals from hunt marks.
Add the ability to get/buy/craft bait for daily marks.
Limit sands/oils from hunts to one (or two) each a week.
Very slight decrease to tomes dropping from hunts.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

IMHO.
Add Sands to ST (with small chance of appearing in 4th chest.)
Add small amounts of Allied Seals to Frontlines, Wolves Den & Roulettes.
Decrease seals from random hunts.
Increase seals from hunt marks.
Add the ability to get/buy/craft bait for daily marks.
Limit sands/oils from hunts to one (or two) each a week.
Very slight decrease to tomes dropping from hunts.

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Sands were originally planned to drop in ST, however it was decided to not have them drop in 2.3. They should be added in 2.35 if I'm not mistaken.
Seals coming from PvP, specifically Frontlines, actually makes some relative sense. I can see this.

Not a big fan of your other ideas, with exception to increasing seals from daily hunt marks because right now the seals you get from daily hunts are laughable to the point where it's just not really worth doing.

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Originally Posted by Erudain

It's to late to fix now, otherwise is like promoting a "exploit early exploit often" playstyle.
But it's not to late to fix other content, like increasing the daily hunt reward to at least 50 seals a day or removing the lockout in ST for gears/oils since it's lv100 un-upgradeable and if you are gonna give infinite sands/oils from hunts, then you can give infinite oils from ST.

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You can avoid the "exploit early" thing by reacting quickly when bad/unintended trends are forming. Secondly, placing the type of rewards in hunts despite being a side activity was the crucial mistake. Forcing a raise in ilevel to undo the damage may not pan out as we would hope for, either.

I'd seriously remove the ledgers, replace them with titles and vanity pets and add more gear. Maybe even add a small exp boost to encourage people to do those within their level bracket.

As far as ST, the problem with oils in ST is that to those that do hunts it's not worth sitting through 4 boss kills just to have a chance of seeing an oil drop. I'd probably give all bosses a chance to drop oil, feeding into gambler's fallacy a bit since even if an oil doesn't drop after killing Scylla, people would be enticed to stay for the other three bosses because they would also have a chance to drop oils. Throwing in sands would also help in that regard. This is, of course, on top of making oils and sands purchasable with soldiery tomestones (or maybe making the bloodied ledgers purchaseable with soldiery tomestones).

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Ok, first "dungeon" in this game aren't hard. At all. They are DF, instanced stuff, basically the bottom of the barrel. There is not even "competition" like with hunts were it may happen that you don't get the reward.



If you like dungeons, do dungeons. If you don't like dungeons, don't. I mean, you are the one who said myth shouldn't drop from hunts, right? So myth dropping from hunts shouldn't be a big deal for you. You clearly don't want them. You would prefer to go back to SR brayflox over and over.

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For your information, I've never once did a speed run brayflox. When I built my Animus I did roulette through the week, got my coil clears and bought 1 or 2 books each week and slowly built my animus. Clearly I'm not a "I NEED IT NOW!" type of gamer. Which apparently you are.

I'm asking SE to bring hunts in line with the rewards from the rest of the game. You can clear a coil turn which is supposed to be some of the hardest content in the game and still get rewarded less than killing a single A rank hunt.

Being competitive isn't calling out a mark then wait for 100+ people show up.
Do you know what happens if hunts were truly competitive? Announce only to your party when you find a mark. When they show up pull it. Keep doing that each time you come up on a Hunt Mark. Then see what happens. You'll either be black listed, or groups will truly start being competitive.

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Originally Posted by Alipoprocks

Really? I capped myth and soldiery faster in dungeons. And I would still do them if I wasn't sick to death of them. And soldiery cap is what keeps it out of hand. So what if someone has all i110 gear on one job from hunts? I am sure that is the idea behind adding oils/sands from seals in the first place. For people who aren't doing coil to catch up.

And, no, I still don't understand why people are complaining. What exactly is the problem with having 500 sands? How does that hurt or affect anyone when they can't be utilized.

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You still failed to provide a reasoning on how this cap affected people who already had near a full set of Soldiery pieces as the patch went live and have even more now.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Ok, first FFXIV economy is a facade. Game is a theme park.

Second, I WELCOME the myth flood. Farming the myth from books and alex was AWFUL. People were lamenting on this very forum how boring and grindy the progress was. Do people really like doing dungeons over and over for myth? Fine, you can still do it. No one is stopping you.

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Whether you think the economy is a facade or not is irrelevant. Every MMO needs an economy and removing the cap on Tomestone is a sure way to damage it.

The fact that you don't understand the implications of such a request speaks volume about your knowledge about the topic at hand.

A lot of people have been sighting the "tome grind," the repetitive speed runs and the bypass of 2nd coil to upgrade gear as why they love hunts so much. They totally disregard the majority of the games content. It shows with 100+ people warping from zone to zone for hours.

The damage has been done, but it's not too late to change and balance it with other content.

It won't mean squat next item level increase. Best to just wait it out I guess.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

It won't mean squat next item level increase. Best to just wait it out I guess.

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Which is still 60+ days away....

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Originally Posted by Duelle

You can avoid the "exploit early" thing by reacting quickly when bad/unintended trends are forming. Secondly, placing the type of rewards in hunts despite being a side activity was the crucial mistake. Forcing a raise in ilevel to undo the damage may not pan out as we would hope for, either.

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SE really missed a chance in their little update last week. Hopefully they will be patching in some sort of cap on purchasable items like bloody hunting logs to maybe 3 a week. People can still hunt and get allied seals coming our of their ears, limiting the purchase rewards would take some of the pressure off of the hunt.

Its not broken, people that complain that it is broken are people that doesn't know how to do hunts, so they miss hunts. Learn to use macros and links, and you will get most of the hunts every time. Just because u don't know how to play the game doesn't make it broken. It is now getting to the point that the people that does hunts a lot are done already, and are now just waiting every week to cap soldiary so they can upgrade gear. Believe it or not Hunts is actually made for you casual people that don't like to raid. It actually gives you guys a chance to get 110 gear. People that don't have time to play the game can just log on, cap myth/soldiary in couple hours, instead of doing the same dungeon over and over.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Whether you think the economy is a facade or not is irrelevant. Every MMO needs an economy and removing the cap on Tomestone is a sure way to damage it.

The fact that you don't understand the implications of such a request speaks volume about your knowledge about the topic at hand.

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Maybe if they removed the cap on tomestones, more people would have i110 weapons and the materia market for Novus weapons which is stupid right now would settle to a more reasonable level. Unless you think paying 5-10 million gil to finish a Novus is actually a fair price for a weapon which is already going to be made obsolete when patch 2.4 is released!

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Originally Posted by Illya

Maybe if they removed the cap on tomestones, more people would have i110 weapons and the materia market for Novus weapons which is stupid right now would settle to a more reasonable level. Unless you think paying 5-10 million gil to finish a Novus is actually a fair price for a weapon which is already going to be made obsolete when patch 2.4 is released!

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Here's the reason for the current price. Asking to damage the economy just because some people don't want to pay for the Novus is a ridiculous idea.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Which is still 60+ days away....

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2 months of Coil lock out... yay...

Casual tier. Looking forward to 2.4 so I can see hundreds of threads about how the content is too hard.

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Originally Posted by Kagari_Asuha

2 months of Coil lock out... yay...

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Oh no, two whole months.

/gasp

You could be a whole two months older when that rolls around. And nothing else of importance would have changed.

I'm left to wonder if I thought like this when I was young.

/ponder

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Whether you think the economy is a facade or not is irrelevant. Every MMO needs an economy and removing the cap on Tomestone is a sure way to damage it.

The fact that you don't understand the implications of such a request speaks volume about your knowledge about the topic at hand.

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The fact that you think that a game that literally gives you gil for sitting AFK in Mor Dhora as you exploit your retainers and DL to get rich everyday has an "economy" does that to.