Allow us to buy Sands of Time with Soldiery

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Originally Posted by Volcano

"everyone" really, so every single person on these forums, your server "as that is where most of your posse is commenting from" is against me, You keep coming with these defeated last resort comebacks, "omg 2 people agreed with me, everyone is agaisnt you, give up up bro lawwwwwl" is that it? i think it is the end of the world for me, the hyperion players are against me oh nooooooooooooooooes! "backing out" It's like telling me a couple of pre school kids are cutting me out of their sandbox clubs and the 3 people will not allow me to play because they said i have cooties, brb telling a teacher.

"seriously, are you serious?"

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Bro, you're on Mateus server....home of the PS3 players (fact). ANYTHING you have said is invalid and you should just stop. Please.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

"everyone" really, so every single person on these forums, your server "as that is where most of your posse is commenting from" is against me, You keep coming with these defeated last resort comebacks, "omg 2 people agreed with me, everyone is agaisnt you, give up up bro lawwwwwl" is that it? i think it is the end of the world for me, the hyperion players are against me oh nooooooooooooooooes! "backing out" It's like telling me a couple of pre school kids are cutting me out of their sandbox clubs and the 3 people will not allow me to play because they said i have cooties, brb telling a teacher.

"seriously, are you serious?"

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I have a hunch the only reason you didn't like my post is because you're one of the people I mentioned with having 0 raid clears acting as if you're entitled to be seen as a great player.

No matter what you tell yourself to think you're at the same level as raiders who put the time in to actually get good at the game, the reality is that you're not.

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Originally Posted by CeeTwo

You're entitled to your opinion. But if you wish to believe people should be labeled "just as good" without proving themselves and just sitting around getting handout gear than so be it lol.

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I don't get why it's so hard to believe some people choose to avoid coil, not everyone will value and use their free time in the same way you do.

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Originally Posted by Purplenum

Yeah it's really really easy, you've got a pretty good chance of getting a few blood splattered mark log drops over the course of the day if you hunt all day. It takes me four to five hours to get a decent amount, and by that time I usually get one or two mark log drops so it's easily a sand and then some. I don't even hunt that often, but when I do I atleast make sure I get an oil or sand.

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And you are either exaggerating or lying.

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Originally Posted by CeeTwo

You're entitled to your opinion. But if you wish to believe people should be labeled "just as good" without proving themselves and just sitting around getting handout gear than so be it lol.

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Ahaha, so it comes out, that is what this about, proving your self by doing coil, as in everything outside of coil is a handout. This is a pattern based game, once you learn those patterns everything in the game is easy, this includes coil. Proving your self in this game is simply a matter of learning the mechanics. which nothing in this game is hard to do, my whole argument with this...breakfast club here is simply some people do not want to bother with what they do not feel it worth it, regardless if they can 'prove" them selves or not.

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I have a hunch the only reason you didn't like my post is because you're one of the people I mentioned with having 0 raid clears acting as if you're entitled to be seen as a great player.

No matter what you tell yourself to think you're at the same level as raiders who put the time in to actually get good at the game, the reality is that you're not.

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Actually i do, but what people like you fail to understand is that if you know based on my join dates it may just be possible i have more then one character, with said clears, did that thought ever cross your mind at any point? Probably not. but we all have our secrets.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

I don't get why it's so hard to believe some people choose to avoid coil, not everyone will value and use their free time in the same way you do.

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That's fine, but those people aren't entitled to be seen as at the same level of skill w/o any exploits. I never stated it was wrong to not care. I'm saying it's wrong to act good with nothing to show for it.

Just to back it up a bit:

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Well seeing as you add "lol" to everything it's hard to take you serious

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Your initial post that I responded to said it makes no sense to judge somebody as a bad player for having a full soldiery set. You are judging somebody else because they say "lol". How is it any different?

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Originally Posted by Mysteran

Actually, I agree with Volcano on pretty much every point. I just don't really feel like trying to argue with a group of people that will never see the other side of the debate either because they don't want to or just want to insult and look down on others.

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I see both sides. My initial reply to him was very civil, unfortunately I made the mistake of assuming I might get a good discussion out of it.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

"everyone" really, so every single person on these forums, your server "as that is where most of your posse is commenting from" is against me, You keep coming with these defeated last resort comebacks, "omg 2 people agreed with me, everyone is agaisnt you, give up up bro lawwwwwl" is that it? i think it is the end of the world for me, the hyperion players are against me oh nooooooooooooooooes! "backing out" It's like telling me a couple of pre school kids are cutting me out of their sandbox clubs and the 3 people will not allow me to play because they said i have cooties, brb telling a teacher.

"seriously, are you serious?"

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You are coming across as very mad right now...

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Originally Posted by Alukah

I don't get why it's so hard to believe some people choose to avoid coil, not everyone will value and use their free time in the same way you do.

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I believe people avoid Coil. I believe they have legitimate reasons for it. This stems from Volcano saying "I'm good enough to do Coil" when he's never done it, and using that as an excuse. He obviously feels like it matters because why fabricate an excuse in the first place? Just say you choose not to do Coil and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Ahaha, so it comes out, that is what this about, proving your self by doing coil, as in everything outside of coil is a handout. This is a pattern based game, once you learn those patterns everything in the game is easy, this includes coil. Proving your self in this game is simply a matter of learning the mechanics. which nothing in this game is hard to do, my whole argument with this...breakfast club here is simply some people do not want to bother with what they do not feel it worth it, regardless if they can 'prove" them selves or not.




Actually i do, but what people like you fail to understand is that if you know based on my join dates it may just be possible i have more then one character, with said clears, did that thought ever cross your mind at any point? Probably not. but we all have our secrets.

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Regardless of join dates no decent whm would gear in crit. So yeah I'm betting I'm right.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

Just to back it up a bit:



Your initial post that I responded to said it makes no sense to judge somebody as a bad player for having a full soldiery set. You are judging somebody else because they say "lol". How is it any different?



I see both sides. My initial reply to him was very civil, unfortunately I made the mistake of assuming I might get a good discussion out of it.



You are coming across as very mad right now...

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If you are reading any of that as "Mad" you are very horrible at reading people, that is more of a "i cannot
believe i keep respoding to these kid comments and this person seriously is throwing the "umad?" card at me when i am not even the slightest bit mad at anything.

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Regardless of join dates no decent whm would gear in crit. So yeah I'm betting I'm right

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Right, because what you see there is certainly my full and perma set, at all times. Not taking into consideration that after coming back from a break the choices in said gear was better then what a player currently has.

and also of the fact that each one of my slots holds different sets of gear and lodestone records what you log off and on with. No, not at all.

in other words. you should probably stop trying, because i could probably keep a party alive better then you could. Oh let me guess, you expected me to log onto the game in high allagan gear?

I hear waiting for callouts and zerging mobs is much more difficult than grinding soldiery..

When hunts are the standard for getting Sands/oils there's really no other conceivable method that is easier.

I'm all for this as long as hunt rewards remain the way they are.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

If you are reading any of that as "Mad" you are very horrible at reading people, that is more of a "i cannot
believe i keep respoding to these kid comments and this person seriously is throwing the "umad?" card at me when i am not even the slightest bit mad at anything.

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I'm actually a trained negotiator with the CIA and have single handedly brought an end to several hostage situations in my career thanks to my body language skills. Unfortunately the internet is composed of letters, rather than people's facial expressions, which somewhat inhibits my ability to use my talents.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

If you are reading any of that as "Mad" you are very horrible at reading people, that is more of a "i cannot
believe i keep respoding to these kid comments and this person seriously is throwing the "umad?" card at me when i am not even the slightest bit mad at anything.

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mad cuz bad!
I'm out, have fun grinding hunts lol :)

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Ahaha, so it comes out, that is what this about, proving your self by doing coil, as in everything outside of coil is a handout. This is a pattern based game, once you learn those patterns everything in the game is easy, this includes coil.

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Then get Coil done!

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Originally Posted by Volcano

my whole argument with this...breakfast club here is simply some people do not want to bother with what they do not feel it worth it, regardless if they can 'prove" them selves or not.

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So you're telling me that you don't want the best gear?

"good players" at least try and get the best gear.... so you're to lazy to even "try" and get the best gear?

From what I've gathered. "I'm a great player but i pay $12.99 to get the handout gear because i'm "lazy"."

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Originally Posted by Alukah

And you are either exaggerating or lying.

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An average session of hunts could easily yield an Oil or Sand. Hunt after maintenance and you could be looking at two if you get a Mark Log or two in as little as four to five hours. I love how people's first reaction to somebody doing something better than them is to call them a liar. He's being perfectly truthful.

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Originally Posted by CCCCComboBreaker

Then get Coil done!



So you're telling me that you don't want the best gear?

"good players" at least try and get the best gear.... so you're to lazy to even "try" and get the best gear?

From what I've gathered. "I'm a great player but i pay $12.99 to get the handout gear because i'm "lazy"."

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never once did i say i didn't want the best gear, Not sure where you got that, but having a means of doing so and getting it another story, i JUST got back to this recently, and i certainly cannot pull a raid group out my pocket. Not that i have even been looking, once i am bored with everything else in the game, i might consider it, but for right now it personally has no interest to me.

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I'm actually a trained negotiator with the CIA and have single handedly brought an end to several hostage situations in my career thanks to my body language skills. Unfortunately the internet is composed of letters, rather than people's facial expressions, which somewhat inhibits my ability to use my talents.

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All that training .and you failed to read that simply post properly to see that is in no way "angry" does your training help you read minds as well? because you failed at that part, i can't show you my face to let you know there is no "maddess" in me, as i do not get mad at such trival things like disagreements. You need more training

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

An average session of hunts could easily yield an Oil or Sand. Hunt after maintenance and you could be looking at two if you get a Mark Log or two. I love how people's first reaction to somebody doing something better than them is to call them a liar. Stay bad, friend.

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I am talking because I've hunted enough to get 5 sands so far, it's fairly easy, but not as easy as just 4 hours considering 4 hours is the average spawn time for most As. Hunt after maint is something that happens once or twice a week so no point on passing it as if it was something regular.

And the drop rate of books is not that high either to be considered something regular from killing each A once.

How Can Sands Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

Owned my self.

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That is pretty much my line, with people like you in the CIA it's no wonder this country is going to hell.

EDit: edited it out since he learned his lesson (maybe)

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Originally Posted by Volcano

That is pretty much my line, with people like you in the CIA it's no wonder this country is going to hell.

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CIA, what?

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Originally Posted by Volcano

That is pretty much my line, with people like you in the CIA it's no wonder this country is going to hell.

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Hey listen!

Here, take this! It will help you on your journey!

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Originally Posted by Volcano

That is pretty much my line, with people like you in the CIA it's no wonder this country is going to hell.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

You're just unlucky then! He isn't exaggerating or lying.

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So everyone in this game is unlucky but him (and you)? Okay.

I don't do coil but I don't think sands of time should be soldiery based that's a little too simple, maybe some quest line on a weekly reset like the primal focus quest. nobody complained that anybody using the primal reward weapons were not as good as coil goers because garuda, titan, ifrit extreme wasn't a joke back then some even suggesting titan ex being equally difficult as coil turns 1-4.

I feel disappointed in this patch 2.2-2.4 that there hasn't been any outside of coil difficult objectives (mog, levi, ramuh, much simpler than titan) but this is also reflected in the fact they only reward i100 gear.

I don't do coil simply because i cant static no matter what. When one day you work from 1pm-9pm and the next your working from 9pm-5am or you have Monday Tuesday off one week and Friday, Saturday the next i just simply avoid doing something that would cause stress.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

So everyone in this game is unlucky but him (and you)? Okay.

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If it helps you sleep at night, believe what you want. You're unlucky or you're bad at hunts. I hope it's luck considering how easy hunts are.

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Originally Posted by Marquiss

CIA, what?

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I'm actually a trained negotiator with the CIA

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That, he threw a "i am special because i do this" card because he failed to read a post correctly thinking i was mad at something. nothing much.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

That, he threw a "i am special because i do this" card because he failed to read a post correctly thinking i was mad at something. nothing much.

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Wait you believed him?

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

If it helps you sleep at night, believe what you want. You're unlucky or you're bad at hunts. I hope it's luck considering how easy hunts are.

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So do you get a sand every 4 hours? How many characters do you have full i110 by now?

This whole thread went from a bad idea to a whole lot of special real quick...

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Originally Posted by Marquiss

Wait you believed him?

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Of course not, but if you need to throw kids a toy every now and then there is no harm in keeping your self entertained, in this game i simply ate dinner while reading posts and responding i am about to go back to enjoying the game again. Let them play jumping jacks to get to know each other, maybe i'll see more browsed memes and random gifs from ceetwo while i'm at in during DF wait times and fates. Come now. like i said eariler, we all have our secrets. Mine in this case is keeping my self entertained from tryhard kids.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

That, he threw a "i am special because i do this" card because he failed to read a post correctly thinking i was mad at something. nothing much.

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You're being trolled for pages, they are spamming F5 just to see your reaction and troll even more, you can see that each answer was posted in like in less than 1 minute between each other.

Report, block and move on.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

So do you get a sand every 4 hours? How many characters do you have full i110 by now?

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Not every four hours, four hours after maintenance. You're conveniently dropping the context from my post to suit your own desperate attempt not to look bad at simple content. Let's do some very simple maths, I hope you can keep up:

I start camping 30-60 minutes after maintenance when the first round of As spawn: 17 A Ranks at 20 Seals each, 340 from that round. Four hours later they'll have all spawned again. So within 4-5 hours (which was my initial assessment, thank you!) I've gained 680 Seals. Throw in all the misc. B ranks killed in that time and you can all but definitely farm a Sand in that time. Throw in a Log and that's a guaranteed Sand.

I guess you're just bad at hunts if this seems so unrealistic. Which is really pathetic because hunts are so easy. :(

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Originally Posted by Evil_Betox

You're being trolled for pages, they are spamming F5 just to see your reaction and troll even more, you can see that each answer was posted in like in less than 1 minute between each other.

Report, block and move on.

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Actually, my first reply to him was civil and in response to his point. He just decided that not to continue the debate and started getting personal. He kind of had it coming. It's amazing he believed me, I purposely made sure it wasn't believable.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Of course not, but if you need to throw kids a toy every now and then there is no harm in keeping your self entertained, in this game i simply ate dinner while reading posts and responding i am about to go back to enjoying the game again. Let them play jumping jacks to get to know each other, maybe i'll see more browsed memes and random gifs from ceetwo while i'm at in during DF wait times and fates. Come now. like i said eariler, we all have our secrets. Mine in this case is keeping my self entertained from tryhard kids.

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You're trying too hard to convince me that you didn't. I think you did lol.

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Originally Posted by Marquiss

You're trying too hard to convince me that you didn't. I think you did lol.

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lol no, don't worry, i am not that gulible, , i just needed to keep busy, which they did provide. if i just tried to convince you i would have had no shame in admitting it.

Lord Jaden offers his divine advice upon this thread. Heed his words of wisdom and change your ways.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

Not every four hours, four hours after maintenance. You're conveniently dropping the context from my post to suit your own desperate attempt not to look bad at simple content. Let's do some very simple maths, I hope you can keep up:

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"Look bad" to who? And by doing what? I'm just saying he's exaggerating and the context he's replying he makes it seem like it's a regular thing, not only after maint. And where do I sound desperate?

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I start camping 30-60 minutes after maintenance when the first round of As spawn: 17 A Ranks at 20 Seals each, 340 from that round. Four hours later they'll have all spawned again. So within 4-5 hours (which was my initial assessment, thank you!) I've gained 680 Seals. Throw in all the misc. B ranks killed in that time and you can all but definitely farm a Sand in that time. Throw in a Log and that's a guaranteed Sand.

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I know that, but again like I said in my previous post it's not something you will do regularly, just once per week.

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Actually, my first reply to him was civil and in response to his point. He just decided that not to continue the debate and started getting personal. He kind of had it coming. It's amazing he believed me, I purposely made sure it wasn't believable.

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I don't get the beef between you two but isn't this a bit ironic when you are now attacking ME because he's not replying to you?

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I guess you're just bad at hunts if this seems so unrealistic. Which is really pathetic because hunts are so easy. :(

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Like this ^

When I didn't get personal with you and I'm not attacking you either.

I don't get why you are trying to start an argument with me now.

Sands and oils are retardely easy to obtain from hunts. Plus no cap so able to farm as many as you want (personal time allowing of course) in a short peroid of time. Which invalidates sand and oil from SCoB. 2 sands, 2 oils split between 8 people per week. Syrcus tower will have a weekly cap of 1 sand or oil per week with, I assume, 2.35.

So where exactly is the problem of being able to buy 1 sand or oil per week with soldiery? They are already given out hand over fist with hunts, which, with the zerg train are even easier than the dungeons that you could run to earn the soldiery to buy them with. Pre hunts we used to decide who would get the sands/oils that week based on who needed it most or what would be beneficial to the raid as a whole. Now, who cares, open loot.

Not to mention it would probably cut down on the zerg as some do hunts because it is the only way to obtain sands outside of coil at the moment. Then when 2.35 rolls around and sand is added to ST, most will already have what they wanted already.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

"Look bad" to who? And by doing what? I'm just saying he's exaggerating and the context he's replying he makes it seem like it's a regular thing, not only after maint. And where do I sound desperate?



I know that, but again like I said in my previous post it's not something you will do regularly, just once per week.



I don't get the beef between you two but isn't this a bit ironic when you are now attacking ME because he's not replying to you?



Like this ^

When I didn't get personal with you and I'm not attacking you either.

I don't get why you are trying to start an argument with me now.

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He's right though. Within the firs two days of 2.3 I'd gotten 3 oils from hunts.
It's incredibly easy to get one sand+ per day.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

He's right though. Within the firs two days of 2.3 I'd gotten 3 oils from hunts.
It's incredibly easy to get one sand+ per day.

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One sand per day is reasonable, I don't really hunt 24/7, I pick a random day to hunt and just kill S ranks during the week, getting a sand that one day I pick.

What I'm saying is... it's not reasonable to say 4 hours per sand like it's something anyone can do anytime, it's only possible when all timers reset.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

One sand per day is reasonable, I don't really hunt 24/7, I pick a random day to hunt and just kill S ranks during the week, getting a sand that one day I pick.

What I'm saying is... it's not reasonable to say 4 hours per sand like it's something anyone can do anytime, it's only possible when all timers reset.

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Anyone can do it any time though, that 's factually true, it's not like Hunts tell you to go away unless you've beaten Turn 9. Results may not be that high but the potential is certainly there if you get lucky with A/S ranks and log drops.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

it's not reasonable to say 4 hours per sand like it's something anyone can do anytime, it's only possible when all timers reset.

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It is possible though.

First 3 days after the patch I did hunts for about 3 - 4 hours a day. Got 5 sands, 2 oils out of it.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Maybe like 375 Sol for one? Got nothing else to use it for really. Hate having to be forced to spend it because of cap.

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Why not simply suggesting buy log for myth if the reason was "nothing else to use" ?
It takes 1300sol for each unweathered weapon, i think you still have job can use it at the moment? ^^;